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jg rider
04-02-2012, 08:14 PM
Ok,I'm stating to have seller's remorse. I have a buyer for this Hartford Hi Standard Victor. If I didn't already have a deposit I'd probably back out of the deal. The wife likes shooting it, but doesn't like working the slide because the rear sight cuts her fingers when pulling back, me too. It has a 4 1/2" and a 5 1/2 " barrels. It's the most accurate commercial .22 I've ever shot from a rest or off hand. I've owned a slab barreled Colt, generation 2 Woodsman, I think it was the nicest looking of all the .22s. It couldn't come close in accuracy to the Hi Standard so I sold it. Then I had a S&W mod.41, came close, but I didn't like the grip angle, so I sold it also.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/High%20Standard/HighStandard01.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/High%20Standard/HighStandard02.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/High%20Standard/HighStandard03.jpg

jocko
04-02-2012, 08:28 PM
super hi standard. IMO they made the best back then, their supermatictrophy was one of a kind. damn haven't seen one of those hi standards in years and two barresl is a real nice combo. I understand the sight/slide thing to. but these guns were super accurate due to sight and barrell allbeing one. nice gun, thanks for letting me view it.

Bawanna
04-02-2012, 08:29 PM
I'd be remorseful too. That looks like a beauty.

TucsonMTB
04-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Ok,I'm stating to have seller's remorse.
So . . . you want us to gang up you and make you feel even worse?! http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/icon_lol.gif

Come on. That's silly. You had some good reasons for agreeing to the sale. Review them and then move on to the next fun pistol in your life. We can't keep everything. Eventually our stuff owns us, rather than the other way around. :eek:

Trust me on that!

Scoundrel
04-02-2012, 10:12 PM
I'm sure you could smooth the edges of the sight so it didn't cut you anymore.

I'll bet if you were super polite to the prospective buyer, explained yourself, apologized, and gave them $20 for their trouble, you could back out with no hard feelings. $20 is cheap for learning that you really did want to keep something after all.

I once bought a set of leather car seats for about $200 from a Craigslist ad. Went and picked them up. Got them home and inside the garage, and noticed that they stank REALLY BAD. When I picked them up, it was cold, and they were outside, so I did not detect the smell. In the warm garage with no wind, they were nasty.

I called the guy up, explained myself, and asked politely if I could return them. He agreed, and when I got there and he gave the money back, I peeled off $20 and gave it back to him for his trouble. He appreciated it. I was glad to be rid of the seats and the $20 to do it guilt-free was a deal.

It didn't cost him anything to re-post the ad, and it won't cost your prospective buyer anything to keep looking.

Scoundrel
04-02-2012, 10:16 PM
:) Didn't see TucsonMTB's answer before I gave mine - probably gave it while I was typing.

So now you have good rationalizations/plans for whichever way you want to go. :D

Scoundrel
04-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Ok,I'm stating to have seller's remorse. I have a buyer for this Hartford Hi Standard Victor. If I didn't already have a deposit I'd probably back out of the deal. The wife likes shooting it, but doesn't like working the slide because the rear sight cuts her fingers when pulling back, me too. It has a 4 1/2" and a 5 1/2 " barrels. It's the most accurate commercial .22 I've ever shot from a rest or off hand. I've owned a slab barreled Colt, generation 2 Woodsman, I think it was the nicest looking of all the .22s. It couldn't come close in accuracy to the Hi Standard so I sold it. Then I had a S&W mod.41, came close, but I didn't like the grip angle, so I sold it also.


Ya know, the dimensions, barrel lengths, grip angle, size, and all of that looks very similar to a Ruger MK III 22/45 Target.
The regular MK III Target looks like it has a smaller grip, which your wife might like better.
http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Target/models.html
http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

Of course, with the Ruger, you'll pinch yourself with the bolt. Everyone does a couple of times until they learn to watch out for it.

Might be a suitable replacement, if you need something along those lines.

MK III 22/45 Target:
http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Target/images/10107.jpg

Hi Standard:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/High%20Standard/HighStandard01.jpg

Regular MK III Target:
http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/images/10101.jpg

TucsonMTB
04-03-2012, 12:16 AM
Ya know, the dimensions, barrel lengths, grip angle, size, and all of that looks very similar to a Ruger MK III 22/45 Target.
The regular MK III Target looks like it has a smaller grip, which your wife might like better. . . .
Ya know, Mr. Scoundrel, if you continue being this helpful and thoughtful, you might want to change your screen name to match your image. I know, what would be the fun in that!? http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/icon_lol.gif

Great suggestion . . . as one might have expected from an experienced guy like yourself.

jg rider
04-03-2012, 12:37 AM
super hi standard. IMO they made the best back then, their supermatictrophy was one of a kind. damn haven't seen one of those hi standards in years and two barresl is a real nice combo. I understand the sight/slide thing to. but these guns were super accurate due to sight and barrell allbeing one. nice gun, thanks for letting me view it.

You would have really liked when it was a four barrel set, 5 1/2" barrel, internally threaded at the muzzle with a threaded adapter for a can, a 16 1/4" barrel with a butt stock attached to make it BATF legal

So . . . you want us to gang up you and make you feel even worse?!

Come on. That's silly. You had some good reasons for agreeing to the sale. Review them and then move on to the next fun pistol in your life. We can't keep everything. Eventually our stuff owns us, rather than the other way around.

Trust me on that!

You know if I change my mind I will feel like it owns me. When the money comes, I'm sure I'll feel better about it. It will just end up being a safe queen again if I keep it. The interest in it really went away after I sold the conversation pieces for it.

I'm sure you could smooth the edges of the sight so it didn't cut you anymore.

The problem is the sight blade is super wider than the slide. It wouldn't look right. Also the small amount of cocking serration at the rear of the slide made it really hard to grasp. The ones in the front were useless

Ya know, the dimensions, barrel lengths, grip angle, size, and all of that looks very similar to a Ruger MK III 22/45 Target.
The regular MK III Target looks like it has a smaller grip, which your wife might

Of course, with the Ruger, you'll pinch yourself with the bolt. Everyone does a couple of times until they learn to watch out for it.

Might be a suitable replacement, if you need something along those lines.


Yes the grip angles are the same, like a flat mainspring housing 1911. But the Ruger grip is much thinner side to side. I read that people have d&t the panels for 1911 grip bushings and installed 1911 grips.

She has enough .22 toys of her own to play with

Glock A.A. conversion w/ modified 13 rnd mag
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Glock/AA13RoundMag001.jpg

Colt Ace that I have visitation rights to
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/1911%20Pistols/Colt%20Ace/ColtAce006.jpg


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/1911%20Pistols/Colt%20Ace/ColtAce007.jpg

You know! After this little talk I'm starting to feel better.
Thanks folks, John

lowroad
04-03-2012, 05:39 AM
It's just steel, try not to get sentimental about em.

jg rider
04-03-2012, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE=Scoundrel;150606]Ya know, the dimensions, barrel lengths, grip angle, size, and all of that looks very similar to a Ruger MK III 22/45 Target.
The regular MK III Target looks like it has a smaller grip, which your wife might like better.
http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Target/models.html
http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

Of course, with the Ruger, you'll pinch yourself with the bolt. Everyone does a couple of times until they learn to watch out for it.

Might be a suitable replacement, if you need something along those lines.
/QUOTE]

I do like the looks of this one. Too bad it's a polymer frame. I could buy three of those. I would remove the sights, mount a small Burris, or or J.P. rifle red dot sight. I think a C-More would make it a little to muzzle heavy. I would like to checker the front and back strap, But with my now poor eyesight I'd be afraid I'd mess it up. I'd probably stipple it

http://www.ruger.com/products/2245Target/specSheets/10140.html

I think for now I'll stick with this one.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/1911%20Pistols/Marvel%20Precision/2MarvelPrecision1.jpg

Wife wants to use the money to help pay the property tax.
Some people's priorities ! Who can figure women.

RedRyder
04-03-2012, 11:01 AM
Oh this brings back memories for me. I had a Victor that I absolutely loved. Not shooting competition anymore, I sold both the Victor and a Smith mod 41 and I've had remorse ever since. If I could have only kept one, it would have been the Victor. Now I have neither and even though still not shooting competition anymore, I sure wish I had it just for plinking.

340pd
04-03-2012, 11:26 AM
Go for the Ruger MK of any model that your wife likes. Get a Volquartsen trigger kit and you will have a very fine replacement for your High Standard. I have a Hunter MKIII that I converted to a MKII and a MKII 22/45. Both have the trigger kits and are as accurate as my old Hammerli SP 20 or 280's Easy do it yourself install. These guys will help.
http://guntalk-online.com/service.html
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php?

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/RugerMkIIIHunter.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/RugerMkll.jpg

jg rider
04-04-2012, 07:48 PM
It's gone :(

CJB
04-04-2012, 09:56 PM
Second gun I ever owned was a Victor... I miss it too.

It had its few failings - sometimes stovepipes, sometimes weird feeding. Was a little ammo sensitive.

Trigger crisp as any, cannot be improved - and fully adjustable for letoff and overtravel.

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The only thing I've ever seen that comes close are heavily reworked Ruger MkI or MkII's, or Browning Medallists, or Kart conversions on the 1911 (the latter being long out of production).

The Tactical Solutions conversion - all steel btw - is very very good. I'm still working on my bullseye .22 with that as its top end. Since the moving mass is very low, you can get a crisp 2.5lb trigger on the 1911 with no doubling or following... it may yet be a "one hole gun" at 25 yards.

roy rogers
04-06-2012, 10:20 AM
it's better to have sellers remorse than buyers remorse

Bawanna
04-06-2012, 10:56 AM
it's better to have sellers remorse than buyers remorse

Can't always agree with you there. I've made some very very foolish transactions in my day. Sold or traded some that just smack me in the head with a sledge hammer and say What were you thinking?

I think it's related to 20-20 hindsight.

jg rider
04-06-2012, 12:23 PM
Second gun I ever owned was a Victor... I miss it too.

It had its few failings - sometimes stovepipes, sometimes weird feeding. Was a little ammo sensitive.

The Tactical Solutions conversion - all steel btw - is very very good. I'm still working on my bullseye .22 with that as its top end. Since the moving mass is very low, you can get a crisp 2.5lb trigger on the 1911 with no doubling or following... it may yet be a "one hole gun" at 25 yards.

The big issue with them was feeding, becaused Hi Standards didn't have feed ramps into the chamber. So the trick was to adjust the feed lips. If the bullet hit to low open the feed lips. If the bullet hit above the chamber close the feed lips.

I made a tool using a 1/4" square piece of aluminium and cut a slot in the end to adjust the lips. I've used this tool to close up our Kahr mag feed lips so that the top round can't easily pop out from a mag in a mag pouch. The tool was an old trick used by Hi Standard shooters.

The other problem with the older ones was that they were made to shoot standard velocity .22s. I shot high velocity stuff. Mine was showing battering on the frame block that the slide hit to stop rear travel. Especially when I put on the can. I glued on a piece of rubber to act as a buffer.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Kahr%20Pistols/Kahrmagtool1.jpg


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Kahr%20Pistols/Kahrmagtool2.jpg

I have a Marvel Precision .22 conversion upper for a 1911 that's pictured in my other above post that I compete with. IIRC back then Marvel guaranteed under a 1" 5 shot group at 50 yds. They come supplied with a test target result. Mine was .469" which as you know is under 1/2" @ 50 yds. I'll will never be able to take advantage of that kind of accuracy, I shoot at 8" to 12" steel plates out at 10 yds. to 35 yds. as fast as I can.

http://www.marvelprecision.com/target.php

I never got around to compare accuracy of the Hi Standard against the Marvel

Bawanna
04-06-2012, 12:39 PM
For some reason I thought Marvel was long gone and out of business.

I ran into a guy at the range a few years ago that had one and it was an amazing gun. Incredibly accurate and watching him shoot it, it was just a thing of beauty. Really ran good.

Something else to add to the list I guess.

I wonder if it will be any easier on the wife if I tell her it's a part and not really a gun? Probably not.

Bawanna
04-06-2012, 12:45 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=281007794

Here's a nice package I'd love to have sent to me.

I see the new stuff is Night Hawk designed by Marvel.

Why do I look at this stuff?

jg rider
04-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Can't always agree with you there. I've made some very very foolish transactions in my day. Sold or traded some that just smack me in the head with a sledge hammer and say What were you thinking?

I think it's related to 20-20 hindsight.

I once had a on again and off again love affair with Walter PPKs and PPKSs. I bought one sold it 6 months later. Got a PPKS on a year later, checkered front and back strap, hard chromed it, it sat in the safe for about a year. Swapped it for the Hi Standard Victor. Bought an other PPKS, checkered and hard chromed that one also. I didn't think it looked as good as the other one so I swapped it for a S&W 5" 629 Classic. Then I swapped a Rossi 680, I think, for a PP .22 (pos). Sold it to a collector.

After that I went to rehab.

I've been Walter free for about 3 yrs.

Does anybody know where there's a Walter .22 TPH for sale? I can handle just a small one!

Bawanna
04-06-2012, 01:03 PM
Seems to be a pandemic virus amongst gun lovers. I have a 6" 629 Classic that I'm pondering selling, haven't shot it in years but I know I'll hate myself if I sell it.

Just a rob Peter to pay Paul for something else. I haven't been afflicted with the Walther syndrome myself YET.

jg rider
04-06-2012, 01:25 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=281007794

Here's a nice package I'd love to have sent to me.

I see the new stuff is Night Hawk designed by Marvel.

Why do I look at this stuff?

Wow ! That's seems high priced to me, or I'm living in the past. That's not their top of the line unit. The top of the line slide worked the same way as a S&W mod. 41 or a Hi Standard Victor. The rib is stationary The units came with one mag. The other four mags like the first one are Colt Ace mags made by Metalform, originally for Colt, sold by Brownells. The green thing is a mag loader. The thing to the right of the slide stop is a bent socket head screw that fit over the hex end of the guide rod.

FYI ! The company Marvel Precision was started by a guy named Bob Marvel The Marvel design wasn't original to Marvel. IIR the original design was by Kart or Jarvis

Bob sold the company to the now owners and started over again

http://bobmarvelcustomguns.com/22-conversion.html

I think he designed the 1911 .22 conversion unit for Advantage Arms.

http://www.advantagearms.com/

The Night Hawk stuff is his. He doesn't have a good rep. Think Johnathon Ciener

Internet Blohard
04-10-2012, 08:05 PM
Here is a Walther TPH for sale in the Portland Oregon area.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/handgun-classifieds/76671-walther-tph-clackamas-area.html

jg rider
04-11-2012, 07:07 PM
Here is a Walther TPH for sale in the Portland Oregon area.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/handgun-classifieds/76671-walther-tph-clackamas-area.html

Thanks for this but it's more than I willing to pay. He's had that ad up since Jan. and hasn't dropped the price