Should Kahr make a limited run of T-45's

[DMR]

Dear taxifolia,

Just wanted to make sure Kahr keeps a T-45 on the list. I previously posted what I hoped it would look like:

I may end up selling off my Kimber for a second TP-45, but I'm hoping Kahrgirl and company will spring a T-45 on us with the following perks by SHOT:

1. 8 round mag's. My TP Mags are the same size as the 8 shot 1911 mags, change the follower and make them work please
2. Heinie or Warren two dot Night Sights
3. Make it availible with the rubber grips also(I could use a set for my T-9 while you're at it).
4. Steel base plate with provisions to mount one of the mag bumper pads like CP or just include the bumpers. 10-8 makes a good example for the M&P Line:

Say 200? I will preorder 1

[at_liberty]

This doesn't make sense to me. I got the T9 early on and then the T40 immediately after its release. It is the T40 that I really wanted originally. I already had a 1911 Govt, and if I was going to shoot 45 as heavy as a T45 would be, I would rather have a 1911. A Kimber hybrid with aluminum frame would be even lighter.

I expect that one familiar with a 1911 would agree. I certainly get the TP45 as a meaningful model, lighter, more compact, and less expensive than a premium 1911.

The point is that the T40 is barely concealable as it is, due mostly to grip length and bulk. The .40 S&W round is better for concealment because it allows one more round than one would have in a .45 at comparable grip length. Talk of mag extensions is just silly frankly, missing the whole point of Kahr pistols. They don't need to be 1911 wannabees.

Since demand for T9s and T40s was apparently rather low, never really catching on, I would be surprised if the company thought a T45 would be a good idea. We already see that distributors either don't carry these fringe models or that Kahr never does a follow up production run for a model with low sales numbers.

I think the focus will or should be on the TP45, because it provides a contrast to the 1911, lighter weight, a slimmer profile, and cheaper than a comparably nice 1911. Once moving away from the polymer frame of the TP45, the price point moves too high. The gun is heavy and falls out of the favorites list of guns to carry concealed. It can't be a target gun because it wouldn't be competitive with the single action 1911. A .45 ACP shooter is then more likely to want a real 1911.

[at_liberty]

I just noticed the lack of activity in the TP series subforum. I think that's where the .45 ACP interest has to develop before there would be any hope of seeing a T45.

The TP45 is the model that makes the most sense to me for a .45 ACP Kahr. Before buying one, I suggest a person be sure about where they are going to get ammo and how much they will have to pay for it. Shop around today as if you were going to buy .45 ACP range ammo and tell us what you found.

I don't see a TP45 providing a single advantage over .40 S&W (TP40). There are some real disadvantages, one of which is one fewer rounds in the .45 mag. The .40 ammo is cheaper and easily located at good prices.

[Chuck54]

sign me up for either a K45 or T45

[jlottmc]

The T45 wouldn't be a wanna be 1911. Those are two different platforms entirely. The T45 market would be to those who prefer a DAO type weapon, by either department policy or personal reasons. No more no less. I would be interested in both of those. And the advantages of a 45 are not in the round count area...see 40 vs 45 argument...

[at_liberty]

Originally Posted by jlottmc

The T45 wouldn't be a wanna be 1911. Those are two different platforms entirely. The T45 market would be to those who prefer a DAO type weapon, by either department policy or personal reasons. No more no less. I would be interested in both of those. And the advantages of a 45 are not in the round count area...see 40 vs 45 argument...

Well come on...you are not debating but rather dismissing my attempt to participate while providing no logic or support for your assertions. We are entitled to our opinions but not our own facts. Let's not be so dismissive.

What "department" uses Kahr pistols with no safety?

In terms of Kahr, I think there is no real 40 v 45 argument other than round count. 10mm exists because 9 mm is inadequate. .40 is a cut down 10mm to reduce the cannon overkill and grip width of the 10mm. .45 only comes into the picture when a person needs an excuse to buy another pistol. Good .45s already exist without Kahr's help. The .380 or 9mm short is a girly-man gun that is a backup at best because of size. Some use small guns as primary carry weapons, which is unfortunate if creating a false sense of security and bluster. How am I doing?

If one does prefer the .45, the Kahr design eliminates the protruding hammer and grip safety as well as the manual safety of the 1911, all to get a sleek, more readily concealable pistol without giving up firepower. In the process, it becomes double action by necessity, not preference.

To want to compare ballistics, 40 v 45, is trying to debate how many fairies will fit on the head of a pin. There is one good argument for .45 in that the rounds are usually not fast enough to create a sonic boom and terribly loud report. They are simply easier on unprotected ears, a common combat situation.

[ripley16]

The market is already flooded with all types of proven .45acp platforms. Kahr could at best expect a tiny, minimal market share, if not a complete disaster, because the competition puts out some very nice pistols at, in some cases, very attractive price points.

Kahr has little to gain, much to lose, in building guns that will inevitably be compared to 1911s, Sigs, HKs, etc..

Kahr's market is the small CCW, thus the PM45 and even the P45 have much less competition and thrive in the market.

I doubt we'll ever see a K45 or T45. At least you have the polymers to slack your thirst.

[Bawanna]

Everyone please join me in singing kumbaya. Perhaps a little breathing exercises and if needed some serious Hari Krishna chanting.
Everyone here has valid points by the way, guess we all have our own desires and wishes for something new. Usually just lack money, why does it always have to be about money?
In the immortal words of Jocko (yes again) they make em, they sell em, if I like em, I'll buy em. Words to live by.

[jlottmc]

Originally Posted by at_liberty

Well come on...you are not debating but rather dismissing my attempt to participate while providing no logic or support for your assertions. We are entitled to our opinions but not our own facts. Let's not be so dismissive.

What "department" uses Kahr pistols with no safety?

In terms of Kahr, I think there is no real 40 v 45 argument other than round count. 10mm exists because 9 mm is inadequate. .40 is a cut down 10mm to reduce the cannon overkill and grip width of the 10mm. .45 only comes into the picture when a person needs an excuse to buy another pistol. Good .45s already exist without Kahr's help. The .380 or 9mm short is a girly-man gun that is a backup at best because of size. Some use small guns as primary carry weapons, which is unfortunate if creating a false sense of security and bluster. How am I doing?

If one does prefer the .45, the Kahr design eliminates the protruding hammer and grip safety as well as the manual safety of the 1911, all to get a sleek, more readily concealable pistol without giving up firepower. In the process, it becomes double action by necessity, not preference.

To want to compare ballistics, 40 v 45, is trying to debate how many fairies will fit on the head of a pin. There is one good argument for .45 in that the rounds are usually not fast enough to create a sonic boom and terribly loud report. They are simply easier on unprotected ears, a common combat situation.

Ok the way I heard the origins of Kahr way back when goes something like this...Da man hisself wanted a pistol that was similar to a Glock, but smooth like a Sig. Couldn't find it on the market and so made something. He then thought single stack would have less problems feeding, then made them small. People thought he was on to something and thus the company was born. As for the departments 1 OFF DUTY carry 2 A Glock has exactly what safety externally? (here's some hint about that: the Glock 22 is in 86% or so of American Cops duty holsters, plus how do you make a Glock fire PULL THE F$#KING TRIGGER) 3 There are many security companies that will allow an individual to carry a Kahr (Bell Helicopters for one). And the 40 vs 45 part there are many (self included, and PD's as well Florida, Oregon, AZ have many) that feel the 45 is a better fight stopper than the 40. Masaad Ayoob works for one, they also issue a Ruger P345 and I believe that it is decocker only (which has been discontinued now from Ruger). And in case you are not familiar with the Sig...that only has a decocker on it, no manual safety. Also there are training firms (VA has one that I forget the name of) where their instructors carry what they like, guess what else they have on their hips...A TP45. Shall I go back and look through the materials I have for the throne of higher education to drive this home any farther or can I get off my soapbox now?

[Bawanna]

Ok skip the breathing and Kumbaya, we're jumpin right into heavy duty Hari Krishna chanting. To each his own. Ugly is to the eye of the beholder. He ain't heavy, (well I guess he could be heavy) he's my brother or sister. (hopefully it ain't a heavy sister).
The suns peaking thru, gonna be a fine day.
You don't have to step down off your soap box, I kicked it out from under ya to test your reflexes, that backward sommersault was A+ in my book. You done good weedhopper.