Laserlyte 9mm cartridge

[jouesdeveau]

Has anyone actually used a Laserlyte cartridge in a small 9mm like a PM9?

Will it help with training for "point shooting" and/or "instinctive shooting"?

Thanks.

[Bill K]

I haven't but I want to hear from someone who has. I believe that the concept is sound and should be a great tool for training - if it will work in the PM9.

Is there an important distinction between "point shooting" and "instinctive shooting"? I've been kinda using the terms interchangeably.

[jouesdeveau]

...
Is there an important distinction between "point shooting" and "instinctive shooting"? I've been kinda using the terms interchangeably.

I think it's a matter of degree, the least time from drawing to firing: the less dependent on using sights, of getting both hands in position, raising the gun up to eye level. In both, one looks mainly at the target rather than the gun.

At least that's what I get from reading with no practical experience whatsoever!

[kahrnut1]

i have the laserlyte laser pistol trainer that goes in end of barrel and is adjustable for differant calibers. and it works great with pm40 & pm9 your brain kind of records a picture of sights and flash of laser at the firing point.

[OldLincoln]

I have the LaserLyte 9mm Cartridge and it helps me big time! I use it in my home office where my pistol does not leave the holster loaded. I unload in the bedroom and carry it open into the office and slip in the laser cartridge.

I tried an always on laser but found it didn't help much as the light just wiggled it's way to where I shot. No improvement at the range. This lights for 200ms by the striker hitting it which appears to be where the bullet would have gone. It has helped at the range.

Much of my practice is non-sighted reaction shooting which is difficult to practice with realism away from the range. The LaserLyte is the exception.

I used to shy away from the CT Laser but have shot RogerDodger's guns which are so equipped. I will admit I shoot those better at the range while taking my time. So now I say there is room for whatever helps you in training for a real situation. Keep in mind that situation has a high percentage of being return fire without much time for sights or even looking for the laser. I train for instinct, non-sighted fire for that reason.

As for the difference in point and instinctive shooting. They were the same to me until somebody started calling a very different grip and technique point shooting. I always took it as point the muzzle without sighting but this one is point your strong index finger at the target and pull the trigger with your middle finger.

I don't care for that kind of point shooting and try to differentiate but sometimes forget. So when I say point shooting, I mean point the muzzle without concern for where your index finger points. Been a long time since I've seen bullets fly out a fingertip.

[John222]

Do you use the laserlyte target? or just a paper target on the wall?

[Bill K]

I don't think I'd like the device that sticks out the muzzle even though it's work with multiple calibers. Being able to use the device to draw and shoot from the carry would be very important to me. Most of my training/practice is actually done using a blow-back Airsoft Glock 26. Great practice tool especially for my real Glock. I like the idea of the cartridge laser even though in the Kahrs it'd only be good for that first shot - but hey, that's probably the most important shot.

[jouesdeveau]

Many thanks to all for the informed responses.

I have gone ahead and ordered the cartridge version for my PM9. We'll see what happens. When I get some practice time with it, I'll report back.

[John222]

Can you see the laser pulse while using the sights? My range is outdoors and it's cold here. Would like to use this in doors to refine my grip and trigger pull. Good idea or not?

[jouesdeveau]

I've had a hard time finding a dealer who has any 9mm cartridges left for sale!!

[JFootin]

Well, the one that goes in the muzzle and can work for several calibers is available for $99 or less. It only sticks out of the barrel a little bit, so could still be used with most holsters. A lot more versatile and practical, IMO.

[jouesdeveau]

Well, the one that goes in the muzzle and can work for several calibers...

I'll try it and report back. It seems more efficient in the sense that it fits several calibers, not just 9mm.

[tv_racin_fan]

UUMM this one?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/540808/laserlyte-laser-training-system-for-22-to-50-caliber-rifles-and-pistols-with-minimum-3-barrel-black

[jouesdeveau]

UUMM this one?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/540808/laserlyte-laser-training-system-for-22-to-50-caliber-rifles-and-pistols-with-minimum-3-barrel-black


Nope: This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LaserLyte-Pistol-Laser-Trainer-45-Caliber/dp/B002N2B0DO/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1325551780&sr=1-2

[JFootin]

Nope: This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LaserLyte-Pistol-Laser-Trainer-45-Caliber/dp/B002N2B0DO/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1325551780&sr=1-2

There you go! :)

[OldLincoln]

I just use paper targets printed on my printer. Also, I can see the laser flash when sighting correctly. Sometimes I loose it just below the sights but then that's where the bullet would have gone. I have adjusted my sight picture until it matches the laser and my range shooting has improved also.

If you have the money, they have an electronic target (http://www.laserlyte.com/products/lts-target) that remembers your shots and you can review them with a shot to the playback button.

[QuercusMax]

Gee, pretty soon you won't need a real gun for anything.

[jouesdeveau]

Gee, pretty soon you won't need a real gun for anything.

OR: the real gun will become more effective;)

[John222]

I'd wait and get the one your originally mentioned that pulses when the trigger hit it. That universal Laserlyte is on all the time. You will be aiming the laser dot rather than the gun, which is what you don't want to do.

[jouesdeveau]

I'd wait and get the one your originally mentioned that pulses when the trigger hit it. That universal Laserlyte is on all the time. You will be aiming the laser dot rather than the gun, which is what you don't want to do.

Thanks for the heads up.
The one I ordered says that it has a "Sound-activated switch [that] flashes a laser dot for 100 milliseconds to simulate bullet impact". There seems to be two versions of the non-cartridge Laserlyte plus one that is really meant to be a bore sight. Does this make any sense?

[JFootin]

I'd wait and get the one your originally mentioned that pulses when the trigger hit it. That universal Laserlyte is on all the time. You will be aiming the laser dot rather than the gun, which is what you don't want to do.

I'm sorry, John, but you're wrong about that. It gives a quick pulse when you pull the trigger just like the bullet style does.

jouesdeveau, go to the website, read up on it and watch the video: http://www.laserlyte.com/products/lts-pro

[John222]

I'm sorry, John, but you're wrong about that. It gives a quick pulse when you pull the trigger just like the bullet style does.

jouesdeveau, go to the website, read up on it and watch the video: http://www.laserlyte.com/products/lts-pro

JFootin - Thanks for the heads up. I looked at them a few weeks back and must have been looking at the wrong version.

[OldLincoln]

The Pro may be better for multi-calibers. I looked at it but back off because it is sound activated and even the video shows several "misfires". The cartridge model is pressure activated by the striker hitting the end of the cartridge. I find that it doesn't misfire and since I primarily train with the 9mm it is the right one for me.

[jmk1138]

I have this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Laser-Ammo-SureStrike-Cartridge-Practice/dp/B004F1D48K/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4

Has worked well for me in training

[jouesdeveau]

My Laserlyte "Laser Trainer Pro" arrived today.

I was surprised how small it is. Overall length is just under 2 1/2". It comes with a set of batteries already loaded. All you have to do is to remove the little plastic insulator, and the batteries are operative. In addition, it comes with an extra set of three batteries and a properly sized hex wrench needed to adjust the caliber.

I just tried it out on my PM9. It works just fine without the use of snap caps recommended by the manufacturer. Sure, you get a flash or two when racking the slide, or two flashes when you sling shot it, but I wouldn't call these "misfires". They certainly didn't bother me. What was important to me was that EVERY time I pulled the trigger and was aiming precisely, a flash of light appeared very very close to the POA.

OK: good to know that a hand-installed thing like that can be that precise, but that's NOT what I bought it for. I want to use it to develop "point shooting" and "instinctive shooting" (as described in the NRA Guide). When shooting the Laserlyte without looking at the sights, I can look instead at my target and see very clearly how far off the light flash is. I bet that if I do this several hundred times, I'll be able to "hit" what I'm looking at without using the gun's sights. And, of course, it works even better for practicing in low light situations.

So net appraisal: so far so good!

[JFootin]

Very good! I am going to get one! It'd be a fun and useful thing to do frequently here at home. In a few years, maybe I could overtake jocko in trigger pulls. I'd probably never reach 3200 going to the range, loading and shooting bullets and cleaning the gun(s) afterward. :86:

[TriggerMan]

Can you see the laser pulse while using the sights? My range is outdoors and it's cold here. Would like to use this in doors to refine my grip and trigger pull. Good idea or not?THe one I have does not pulse. Only when the firing pin hits the dummy round, does the laser flash for an instant.

Oh, yes , a very good idea. I use mine mainly for dry fire breath and trigger control.