View Full Version : Excited about picking up my new Nano Thursday night
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 12:00 AM
I ordered one sight unseen. All I had to go by were pictures, reviews, dimension, and early feedback on the Beretta Forum.
The early problems seem to be FTEs when using lower powered rounds. Some belief the root cause is actually an extractor problem, possibly the design or tuning of the extractor. Some have said its the srping length.
I have seen one complaint of a firing pin which was flat at the end. It actually still worked 95% of the time. I have seen one complaint of a mangled Recoil Spring Assmbly.
There are a lot of reports of 100% function from round 1.
I intend to document my break-in period as to ammo specifics and any failures. I'll post here since I haven't joined the Beretta forum.
I'm pretty excited about finding one at a decent price, $438 incl shipping + $20 FFL. Worst case, I was $20 over lowest possible market but did not want to wait. This is probably just about the average selling price.
Before you suggest a CM9 for similar money, note I just sold my PM9. I did not like the length of the trigger or the difficulty of clearing malfunctions from the strong spring used by Kahr. I anticipate a slightly shorter & lighter trigger and the possibility a 'smith can improve it further. I like the modular approach and hope for other frames to be offered.
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 12:09 AM
Features include:
Light, durable, fiberglass reinforced polymer frame
User adjustable low profile 3 dot sights
Modular ergonomic snag free design
Reversible magazine release button can be easily reversed
Made in The U.S.A.
Beretta Nano Specifications:
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6 Rounds
Length: 5.63 Inches
Height: 4.17 Inches
Width: .90 Inches
Barrel Length: 3.07 Inches
General Operation: Semiautomatic, short recoil system
Locking System: Cam operated, tilt-barrel, locked breech
Sights: 3 Dot Low Profile removable and adjustable
Sight Radius: 4.92 in
Frame: Stainless Steel Chassis Insert
Grip Frame: polymer fiberglass reinforced
Slide Material: 4140 steel with black Nitride finish
Barrel: Steel with black Nitride finish
Action: Striker Fired
Safety: Automatic striker block and trigger drop safety
Weight Unloaded: 17.67 Ounces
weight unloaded with empty magazine: 20oz/
kb2wji
12-29-2011, 12:47 AM
I'm not one to post up those "ya shoulda got a..." responses. I think the Nano is pretty cool. You owe us a detailed write-up (with pictures of course, as im still not certain that all of us on here can actually read :D)
Cant wait to see how you like it. Especially coming from a pm9. Havent heard any honest real world comparisons yet. Congrats!
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 01:15 AM
Picked up a High Noon Split Decision holster for $38.95 + $8.00 shipping. Primary consideration was immediate shipping as a stocked item. Another Nano owner recommended one and I was able to see a photo of how it fit. I'lll probably buy a Tommy Theis if the Nano is a keeper. May need a pocket holster if it proves stealthy enough. Still want a Milt Sparks but I can't imagine waiting 6 months. Saw some on eBay but guys were asking $100 over msrp.
ripley16
12-29-2011, 05:12 AM
...note I just sold my PM9.
It's a shame you don't have the PM9 still, then a direct head-to-head comparison could have been made. I'll be sure to look for your Nano reports.
Actually, that is quite a commercial for the Beretta Nano. For a moment I thought I was on a Beretta forum. :confused: Do you own any Kahr pistol anymore? :D
Thunder71
12-29-2011, 05:55 AM
Not to rain on your parade, and I do hope the Nano is everything you hope it will be, but I have some opinions on your decision, which seems a bit uninformed.
You got rid of the PM9 because of the trigger, then buy a Nano you've never touched thinking it's better?
You went completely backwards. The PM9 is the top dog in the market and you just downgraded, the trigger on the Nano is awful. In my opinion, having handled both, the Kahr trigger is far superior and you will not find a better DA trigger on a semi auto out of the box.
Well, unless you like a gritty trigger that feels like snapping plastic when it breaks.
Furthermore, should you ever have a failure you cannot lock the slide back unless the magazine is out or empty, you've just added steps to clear a malfunction, should you have one.
At the very least, I would have held onto the PM9 until you had an opportunity to handle a Nano, I think you would have appreciated the PM9 all the more.
Best of luck, and happy shooting!
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JFootin
12-29-2011, 07:36 AM
May need a pocket holster if it proves stealthy enough. Still want a Milt Sparks but I can't imagine waiting 6 months. Saw some on eBay but guys were asking $100 over msrp.
We have a forum brother who is every bit as talented as Milt Sparks, will make your holster in a couple of weeks and prices his work at about half what Sparks charges.
James Dean Gun Leather
jlaudio29 here on Kahrtalk
info@jamesdeangunleather.com
www.facebook.com/jamesdeangunleather
Here is some of his work:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/JamesDeanOldStylePocketHolster.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/p464827872-5.jpg
I carry my CM9 in this beauty. The perfection and attention to detail are awesome! Herman Oak leather, hand stitched, perfect fit and function, and I got this gorgeous holster for $75 shipped!
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/MyJDHolsterFront.jpg
Barth
12-29-2011, 07:59 AM
I saw a very favorable review of the Walther PPQ.
I apparently has an outstanding striker trigger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4nVdnUcu5o
Rather than continuing to buy more guns I've decided to upgrade what I have.
My G27 is a 40.
But Glocks have so many interchangeable parts
and after market stuff I can build a convertible gun.
Have a Storm Lake barrels on the way in 9mm and ported 357 sig.
Plus several trigger connector and spring options to try.
I'm having a good time...
Hope the Nano works out for you!
muggsy
12-29-2011, 08:48 AM
I saw a very favorable review of the Walther PPQ.
I apparently has an outstanding striker trigger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4nVdnUcu5o
Rather than continuing to buy more guns I've decided to upgrade what I have.
My G27 is a 40.
But Glocks have so many interchangeable parts
and after market stuff I can build a convertible gun.
Have a Storm Lake barrels on the way in 9mm and ported 357 sig.
Plus several trigger connector and spring options to try.
I'm having a good time...
Hope the Nano works out for you!
So many guns, so little money. :(
Ti
I ordered one sight unseen. All I had to go by were pictures, reviews, dimension, and early feedback on the Beretta Forum.
The early problems seem to be FTEs when using lower powered rounds. Some belief the root cause is actually an extractor problem, possibly the design or tuning of the extractor. Some have said its the srping length.
I have seen one complaint of a firing pin which was flat at the end. It actually still worked 95% of the time. I have seen one complaint of a mangled Recoil Spring Assmbly.
There are a lot of reports of 100% function from round 1.
I intend to document my break-in period as to ammo specifics and any failures. I'll post here since I haven't joined the Beretta forum.
I'm pretty excited about finding one at a decent price, $438 incl shipping + $20 FFL. Worst case, I was $20 over lowest possible market but did not want to wait. This is probably just about the average selling price.
Before you suggest a CM9 for similar money, note I just sold my PM9. I did not like the length of the trigger or the difficulty of clearing malfunctions from the strong spring used by Kahr. I anticipate a slightly shorter & lighter trigger and the possibility a 'smith can improve it further. I like the modular approach and hope for other frames to be offered.
Triggerman
Congratulations from one Nano owner to another. If you plan to pocket carry the Nano is 4 oz heavier than the pm9. If you plan in the waist band the flat design is comfortable.
I had 3 FTE out of 150 rounds of Federal Champion. I decided to go with S&B 115 which has a higher power factor. The trigger is not all that bad and the mags no surprise is superior to Kahr mag.
Russ
gb6491
12-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Before you suggest a CM9 for similar money, note I just sold my PM9. I did not like the length of the trigger or the difficulty of clearing malfunctions from the strong spring used by Kahr.... I don't have a trigger weight gauge, but the weight of pull on my Nano feels to be about the same or perhaps a little heavier than the trigger on my CW9. Length of pull after initial take up to release is the same (.5") on both guns. The Nano's trigger was a little gritty initially, but has smoothed out and is not bad at all (I find it more Glock like than Kahr smooth)
As another mentioned, clearing malfunctions on the Nano has it's own set of difficulties sans an external slide lock.
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I had 3 FTE out of 150 rounds of Federal Champion. I decided to go with S&B 115 which has a higher power factor. The trigger is not all that bad and the mags no surprise is superior to Kahr mag.
Russ
My Nano has had quite a few failures to extract (always like this fellow from the Beretta forums: http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/BW1911/nano4.jpg), unfortunately that's across a wide spectrum of ammo and the higher power factor stuff contributed their share of failures as well.
The Nano magazines are nice, but some need to have the follower skirt squeezed for smooth travel in the tube.
Regards,
Greg
muggsy
12-29-2011, 03:47 PM
We have a forum brother who is every bit as talented as Milt Sparks, will make your holster in a couple of weeks and prices his work at about half what Sparks charges.
James Dean Gun Leather
jlaudio29 here on Kahrtalk
info@jamesdeangunleather.com
www.facebook.com/jamesdeangunleather
Here is some of his work:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/JamesDeanOldStylePocketHolster.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/p464827872-5.jpg
I carry my CM9 in this beauty. The perfection and attention to detail are awesome! Herman Oak leather, hand stitched, perfect fit and function, and I got this gorgeous holster for $75 shipped!
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/MyJDHolsterFront.jpg
All that I saw on his Face Book page were right handed holsters. What's up with that? :)
I don't have a trigger weight gauge, but the weight of pull on my Nano feels to be about the same or perhaps a little heavier than the trigger on my CW9. Length of pull after initial take up to release is the same (.5") on both guns. The Nano's trigger was a little gritty initially, but has smoothed out and is not bad at all (I find it more Glock like than Kahr smooth)
As another mentioned, clearing malfunctions on the Nano has it's own set of difficulties sans an external slide lock.
My Nano has had quite a few failures to extract (always like this fellow from the Beretta forums: http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/BW1911/nano4.jpg), unfortunately that's across a wide spectrum of ammo and the higher power factor stuff contributed their share of failures as well.
The Nano magazines are nice, but some need to have the follower skirt squeezed for smooth travel in the tube.
Regards,
Greg
Greg
I called Bolsa Gunsmithing in California. They are responsible for Western USA warranty work for Beretta. They told me they have adjusted the extracter in the Nanos that have come in. I have had good luck with S&B but some of the spent shells have landed in my head. I also read on the Beretta forum some have encountered spent shells landing randomly around the shooter which some suggest is an extracter issue. I am not knowledgeable enough to understand in great detail an extracter but if you are having issues Beretta will cover everything.
Russ
JFootin
12-29-2011, 04:45 PM
All that I saw on his Face Book page were right handed holsters. What's up with that? :)
My holster is featured there, and I don't know if you noticed, I'm left handed. Of course, most of the holsters he makes are for right handers, so that is mostly what gets displayed there. But he will make any of his holsters left handed.
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Not to rain on your parade, and I do hope the Nano is everything you hope it will be, but I have some opinions on your decision, which seems a bit uninformed.
You got rid of the PM9 because of the trigger, then buy a Nano you've never touched thinking it's better?
You went completely backwards. The PM9 is the top dog in the market and you just downgraded, the trigger on the Nano is awful. In my opinion, having handled both, the Kahr trigger is far superior and you will not find a better DA trigger on a semi auto out of the box.
Well, unless you like a gritty trigger that feels like snapping plastic when it breaks.
Furthermore, should you ever have a failure you cannot lock the slide back unless the magazine is out or empty, you've just added steps to clear a malfunction, should you have one.
At the very least, I would have held onto the PM9 until you had an opportunity to handle a Nano, I think you would have appreciated the PM9 all the more.
Best of luck, and happy shooting!
Sent using Tapatalk, thanks for supporting it on this site.I'm one who has to live with a gun for a few months before I know if it's a keeper. There is more to a gun than the trigger. I think the Nano presents some opportunity to improve the trigger, while the Kahr is what it is.
My PM9 was a bear to clear on the same malfunctions which will be tough on the Nano. I think this issue is a wash.
I went into this knowing I might want to sell after three months. Not a problem.
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 05:46 PM
It's a shame you don't have the PM9 still, then a direct head-to-head comparison could have been made. I'll be sure to look for your Nano reports.My memory and records are still pretty fresh. I last shot the PM9 about three weeks ago,
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 05:49 PM
We have a forum brother who is every bit as talented as Milt Sparks, will make your holster in a couple of weeks and prices his work at about half what Sparks charges.
James Dean Gun Leather
jlaudio29 here on Kahrtalk
info@jamesdeangunleather.com
www.facebook.com/jamesdeangunleather (http://www.facebook.com/jamesdeangunleather)
Here is some of his work:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/JamesDeanOldStylePocketHolster.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/p464827872-5.jpg
I carry my CM9 in this beauty. The perfection and attention to detail are awesome! Herman Oak leather, hand stitched, perfect fit and function, and I got this gorgeous holster for $75 shipped!
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/MyJDHolsterFront.jpg
Thanks, probably go there for the next good holster I need.
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Ti
Triggerman
Congratulations from one Nano owner to another. If you plan to pocket carry the Nano is 4 oz heavier than the pm9. If you plan in the waist band the flat design is comfortable.
I had 3 FTE out of 150 rounds of Federal Champion. I decided to go with S&B 115 which has a higher power factor. The trigger is not all that bad and the mags no surprise is superior to Kahr mag.
RussRuss, my SIG P238 is the only gun I ever pocket carry. I'm not sold on pocket carry. I sit too much. :D Weight isn't too big a deal as I carry a HK P7 now and occasionally a Sig 1911 RCS. I see the Beretta as a Summer EDC.
Until tonight, I didn't realize you are the same Russ on the Beretta Forum.
340pd
12-29-2011, 05:56 PM
He does a nice job on holsters. I carry my PM9 in one of his horsehide pocket holsters. The little thumb push off make drawing quite easy.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/back.jpg
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 06:15 PM
My FFL fell ill. There's a slight delay in picking up Nano.
DubDubU
12-29-2011, 07:05 PM
Did he come down with a case of Nanonucleosis?
Thunder71
12-29-2011, 07:12 PM
Ahh bummer man, that would be my luck too... hope you get it soon!
JFootin
12-29-2011, 07:28 PM
Ahh bummer man, that would be my luck too... hope you get it soon!
The Nano or the Nanonucleosis? :tongue:
Russ, my SIG P238 is the only gun I ever pocket carry. I'm not sold on pocket carry. I sit too much. :D Weight isn't too big a deal as I carry a HK P7 now and occasionally a Sig 1911 RCS. I see the Beretta as a Summer EDC.
Until tonight, I didn't realize you are the same Russ on the Beretta Forum.
Triggerman
The Kahr forum is more personal and tolerant. I Learned the Beretta administrator does not like it when you create a thread directed at asking a direct question to the administrator with the expectation you will receive a direct no B.S. answer. I need to read the rule book. Beretta 1526 who gets paid to administer what ever that means is not real happy with me because I like answers.
For the most part I am pleased with my Nano but 4 FTE in 550 rounds is too many and that is why I am asking the direct questions to the Beretta administrator because I know he has the bat phone and If enough paying customers demand answers he is going to pick up the red phone.
Triggerman the Beretta forum needs people like you to join.
Russ
Barth
12-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Triggerman
The Kahr forum is more personal and tolerant. I Learned the Beretta administrator does not like it when you create a thread directed at asking a direct question to the administrator with the expectation you will receive a direct no B.S. answer. I need to read the rule book. Beretta 1526 who gets paid to administer what ever that means is not real happy with me because I like answers.
For the most part I am pleased with my Nano but 4 FTE in 550 rounds is too many and that is why I am asking the direct questions to the Beretta administrator because I know he has the bat phone and If enough paying customers demand answers he is going to pick up the red phone.
Triggerman the Beretta forum needs people like you to join.
Russ
LOL
KahrTalk is the best.
I want everyone to stay here.
I'm a member of GlockTalk too, but that's just for information.
This is where the real people are - Real Friends.
TriggerMan
12-29-2011, 11:01 PM
Did he come down with a case of Nanonucleosis?
Whatever it is, he's blaming it on nephews and Nieces. I'm gonna take a bottle of sanitizer and gloves when I go. No way he recovers by Saturday morning.
DubDubU
12-29-2011, 11:24 PM
Well, I hope you can pick up your new gun soon.
TriggerMan
12-30-2011, 07:00 PM
Picked it up, happy to see a very high (relatively speaking) serial number. Cleaned it and lubed it. It looked like less than a mag had been fired, somewhat dry with oil but no grease.
The action is easy to work, the trigger feels heavy and the gun generally feels top heavy when empty. I confirmed that the firing pin had the proper rounded shape at its end and the drop safety worked. The extractor doesn't have a lot of tension as I could move it with a finger. Thats usually hard to do.
I like the mags, they use metal followers with an anti dive design. I'll load them to the max overnight and keep the gun locked open until I hit the range.
More to come.
Rollin Thunder
12-31-2011, 07:12 AM
Pics. or it didn't happen!
kerby9mm
12-31-2011, 09:45 AM
Triggerman since you are only a few miles away from me what LGS you deal with?
TriggerMan
12-31-2011, 10:58 AM
Triggerman since you are only a few miles away from me what LGS you deal with?No one around NE Detroit suburbs had any for sale. I bought online from Woodbury Outfitters in Ohio. My cost was $429+$9 shipping+$20 FFL
I would normally go to Double Action, Mdsn Hts; CQT in Shelby, Gander Mountain, Utica, MI, MichiGun in Roseville, Jerry's in Rochester Hills
kerby9mm
12-31-2011, 01:06 PM
I bought most of mine at Action at 8mile & Beechdaly They are a little high but will come down on some guns if you dicker. They gave me 2 months free range time unlimited with guest. Only supposed to be one month but the guy I dealt with was cool about it.
Cokeman
12-31-2011, 01:17 PM
Is the trigger gritty?
TriggerMan
12-31-2011, 02:11 PM
Is the trigger gritty?Yes and heavy and long. Dry fired with a laser bullet a little today, can't make time to shoot but cleaned, buffed and dri lubed the magazines.
Cokeman
12-31-2011, 06:05 PM
I've never felt a gritty trigger until I handled the Nano. Weird.
onegun
12-31-2011, 08:14 PM
I didn't care for the trigger on my Nano until I had a couple hundred rounds thru it. It kept getting better and better.
TriggerMan
12-31-2011, 11:18 PM
I didn't care for the trigger on my Nano until I had a couple hundred rounds thru it. It kept getting better and better.
I'm hoping Apex or Galloway or some third party comes up with a trigger kit. I can wait.
Ikeo74
01-01-2012, 05:51 AM
Too bad you have to spend mony on up-grades already, right out of the box. A trigger job now, what will be next?
JFootin
01-01-2012, 08:45 AM
Too bad you have to spend mony on up-grades already, right out of the box. A trigger job now, what will be next?
It sounds like a few hundred rounds through it will get that trigger feeling better and better. Like Jocko says, putting rounds through it will do wonders, so shoot it like you stole it for a while before opting for a trigger job.
Popeye
01-01-2012, 09:14 AM
Like others have said, and I totally agree. Shoot it a while and see if it comes around to your liking. My P3at trigger got a bit better with time. Still say the best trigger I've found in small pistols is the Kahr triggeres. They may be long, but they are smooth and predictable. It least that's how I feel about them.
jocko
01-01-2012, 09:23 AM
sometimes these triger jobs in some guns are a waste of money. A trigger job on a khar IMO certainly is. It does seem with most other guns to that just good ol range time does wonder for the trigger systems. I try to not compare my G19 trigger to my Kahrs or my kahrs tomy M & P triggers. all are made differently and sometimes having to many different semi's causes mental confusion. Course whenur my age, daylight going to dark gets confusing sometimes.....
Triggerman & Other Nano owners:
Checkout the link I inserted. I have followed the Beretta Forum looking for answers to the FTE issue with the Nano and this post has produced the most promising to date. I wish I had the talent to do what this guy just did. If Beretta is not all over this "Greg" could make a mint selling aftermarket parts for the Nano.
I forwarded this link to Bolsa Gunsmith in California. They service for Western USA Beretta and they currently are in possession of my Nano for FTE issues. I begged them to please forward to Beretta Engineers. I also asked Beretta 1526 (Forum Admin. for Beretta) to please send to Beretta Engineers. If this guy is onto something Beretta needs to hire him for his ingenuity.
Please I am asking everyone on this forum who owns a Nano if you feel if Greg may be onto something to email Beretta Corporate asking that their Engineers test his design.
Russ
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=81440
TriggerMan
01-01-2012, 09:51 AM
Too bad you have to spend mony on up-grades already, right out of the box. A trigger job now, what will be next?
A holster? Seriously, adding $70 or so to the price of the gun was preplanned and would result in a fine CC gun. I've added Apex Tactical's action kit to my M&P for very little money and it went from being just OK to great to shoot. Thousands of Glock owners install new disconnector kits. Anyone with any sense has a trigger job done on S&W revolver. There are could be a million of those.
jocko
01-01-2012, 10:26 AM
we don't rent out Greg GB 6491 services cheaply . U Nano guys owe us. Sounds like a fix for at least his gun. as simple as it is, one wonders where the Beretta engineers were at?????
Bawanna
01-01-2012, 11:41 AM
Agreed. Hands of Greg. We might share now and then but we got solid claims on that man. I think we should refer to him as the Wizard.
jocko
01-01-2012, 11:53 AM
well for damn sure put a chain on him. he is a keeper. his photo tutorials are just awesome...
JFootin
01-01-2012, 01:36 PM
I think Kahr should hire Greg to fix the P380 once and for all, and the crappy magazines and the miscellaneous FTFs and FTEs that keep these guns from being near perfect! He could do it and it would be worth many times more than it would cost them! :D:D:D
Agreed. Hands of Greg. We might share now and then but we got solid claims on that man. I think we should refer to him as the Wizard.
Greg
Serious if you are intetested in making money on the side fixing the extractor on the Nano I would be your first customer especially if Beretta keeps telling us it is an ammo issue.
I hope Beretta 1526 forwards your awesome thread to the Beretta Engineers.
I have followed alot of posts on the Beretta Form and you have provided me hope.
Thank you
Russ
jocko
01-01-2012, 03:54 PM
I think if anyone has a P380 extractor spring, it might be longer than the nano spring and give the pressure needed to. One just needs to start clipping a tad coil at a time. Using GB dial calipers one cold almost measure the extra spring length needed even and start cutting coils close to that length and test and retestl I am told thatthe standard kahr extractor spring is to big in diameter.
onegun
01-01-2012, 04:44 PM
<snipped>if Beretta keeps telling us it is an ammo issue.
I've never hear Beretta say that. That started on the forums.
I've never hear Beretta say that. That started on the forums.
Onegun:
To answer your question it depends who is Beretta? If we are talking an "official" statement then you are correct. Beretta has not to my knowledge posted any "official" ammo restrictions on the Nano.
I have included a post from an employee of Beretta. You decide if this employee from their quote is blaiming the FTEs on ammo.
I bolded parts of the quote for those not interested in reading the entire post.
Russ
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"So... I think it's time for me to chime in. If the response comes on monday night is not because (as one member suggested) "Italian guy is nowhere to be found." We take pride in our product, and I can assure you nobody, from our engineers to our marketing team, would ever lay low when Beretta is put into question.
However, I hope you can all appreciate the fact that it's hard to call a meeting on Saturday afternoon.
To address everyone's concern, here are some thoughts.
Over the past five centuries, Beretta has been successful not by making "catch-all products," but because of the focus we put in the development of our guns. We understand that guns are tools, designed for a specific task, and we take this very seriously.
An over and under is designed for a different task than a semiautomatic shotgun, and a trap gun is designed to do different things from a waterfowling gun. Our tactical guns have a different purpose from our luxury SO series over and unders. The same applies to all of our handguns.
This is even more important in cases where a gun is designed to protect one's life. CCW guns are designed to do exactly that.
CCW handguns are designed to be used with higher pressure ammunition. They are not designed to go out and plink with.
The most important design requirement, when we designed the Nano, was that the gun had to operate reliably, flawlessly and continually with the type of ammunition that is used in CCW situations. Not once, not one hundred and not even one thousand times, but thousands of times.
Higher pressure ammunition puts amounts of stress on the mechanics of a handgun to the point that the design requirements become of paramount importance. This is magnified considerably when dealing with micro-compact pistols
We believe it is more important that a CCW gun work reliably, consistently and without breaking down with higher pressure ammunition. In order to achieve this life-saving condition, we had to build the gun, quite literally, like a tank. Do you know many manufacturers who can pound a bullet into the bore of their pistol and fire another one behind it?
Surely, we could have produced a gun that (as some have put it) "would eat anything that's thrown at it," but for how long? As a simple matter of physics, guns built to cycle with lower-pressure ammo won't last long when higher-pressure rounds are fired through them. How long will the gun last, before it shatters under the pressure of this CCW ammunition? Most of us, fortunately, will find out at the range, when the gun cracks, some of us (unfortunately) will find out when the gun is really needed. But that's too late.
Will the Nano “feed” anything out there? I bet it will. However, if the load is a powder puff and can’t move the slide with authority under recoil and the shooter can’t provide a solid platform under recoil, then I can’t promise that it will eject that casing with authority.
We don't take personal defense lightly. During pre-production tests, the Nano was fired 8000 times with a total of 2 failures. These tests were not conducted with +P ammunition, but they also weren’t conducted using bottom of the barrel fodder. This might not be important as you're reading this, but it becomes literally vital, when you're unholstering your Nano in a dark parking lot, under attack. We have tested the Nano in extreme conditions because we want to make sure it will work in those conditions every time, without fail."
MRecanatini
Social Media Manager,
Beretta USA Corp.
TriggerMan
01-02-2012, 02:10 PM
I'll start a new thread later today but I can say I was surprised in three areas:
1. The trigger was a non-issue for me. I had expected it to be real poor based on the first dozen dry fires. My first surprise. It still needs work but is serviceable for CC immediately, should I choose to carry it soon.
2. I was quite accurate with it, and for the size gun and past experience with PM9 and LC9, that's another surprise. It was a combination of long & hard triggers with recoil using just two fingers that had me concerned. Totally wrong, it was an easy shooter. It shoot softer than my PM9 and LC9 despite the fact I always used a grip extension on the older guns. There is no pinkie extension yet for the Nano.
3. Gold Dot +p 124 gr wasn't a problem with recoil. Barely noticeable
Barth
01-02-2012, 03:40 PM
Haven't read all the posts.
I'm dyslexic and reading is not fun for me.
But would like to say that even new Glock Gen 4 9mm are having problems.
Any sub compact 3" barrel micro auto is a challenge for manufactures to get right IMHO.
9mm ammo, specifically, comes in such a wide variety of power and
velocity that getting reliable slide function with EVERYTHING isn't easy.
Particular cheap 115 grain ammo.
I think the new Kimber Solo's are having issues with some 115 gr as well.
Just some thoughts...
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