Inside Saddam Hussein's Reign of Terror

[muggsy]

The National Geographic Channel is running a documentary entitled, "Inside Saddam Hussein's Reign of Terror". Anyone who doubts that America should have become involved in the overthrow of this dictator should watch this film.

[ripley16]

Yes, yes, yes, but at least Saddam didn't spritz a little water up the nose of his enemies, like the devil incarnate, brutal master of torture; George Bush.

[apheod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2% 80%93Iraq_war

We had no problem with Saddam's brutality back in the 80s when we were funding and arming him, including with the very WMD he used on his own people. We seem to have no problem with the other ruthless dictators we currently support.

http://www.salon.com/2011/02/02/american_allies_dictators/

[getsome]

Here we go again!!!...Bawanna ya better go cut a switch...:32:

[John222]

There is always two sides to every story. Not too much in life is black and white.

[apheod]

friendly discussion on controversial subjects is permitted here. i admit, tempers were flaring a bit in the other thread, and it deserved closing.

i'm simply posting a calm, rational rebuttal. i apologize for my actions in the thread that was closed. i owe a personal apology to muggsy, and will do my best to keep things professional in the future.

i certainly value the community here on this forum, but i feel that folks with my perspective on current events are more outnumbered here than on most gun forums. i'm simply lending a voice to those views, and showing that they are not only held by liberals and nutjob conspiracy theorists.... although they do sometimes attract those types by their nature, which can tend to discredit the argument itself.

[ripley16]

We had no problem with Saddam's brutality back in the 80s when we were funding and arming him

We purchsed all those Soviet weapons? Really??

[apheod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2% 80%93Iraq_war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Western_help_ with_Iraq.27s_WMD_program

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/


United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

from the first paragraph in the first link in the post you quoted of mine. we gave them several billion dollars. i imagine some of that went to purchasing soviet built weaponry, yes.

[TheTman]

OH hell we've supported dictators, toppled governments, whatever it takes. If you're friendly to the USA you can get away with anything, if not, then watch out. I don't think we probably even want to know all the crap we've pulled over the years. I kind of quit trying to follow what the US is doing since the Iran-Contra thing, where we had US military/CIA smuggling drugs into inner cities, in exchange for cash to buy weaponry or whatever - the particulars exclude me, all I now is Ollie North is a "hero" now to some, while the people he sold the drugs too are languishing in prison.
Of course they are mostly black, so what does white America care. It's all a bunch of BS to me. Kind of like making possesion of "crack" cocaine a much bigger crime with stiffer sentences, because it's what's popular in the black communities, compared to the much lesser sentence for possesing the same amount of cocaine in powder form which the white yuppies enjoy.

[apheod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq%E2%80%93United_States_relations#U.S._governme nt_authorized_the_sale_of_dual_use_chemicals_and_b iological_material_to_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

a couple more interesting reads.

[apheod]

OH hell we've supported dictators, toppled governments, whatever it takes. If you're friendly to the USA you can get away with anything, if not, then watch out. I don't think we probably even want to know all the crap we've pulled over the years. I kind of quit trying to follow what the US is doing since the Iran-Contra thing, where we had US military/CIA smuggling drugs into inner cities, in exchange for cash to buy weaponry or whatever - the particulars exclude me, all I now is Ollie North is a "hero" now to some, while the people he sold the drugs too are languishing in prison.
Of course they are mostly black, so what does white America care. It's all a bunch of BS to me. Kind of like making possesion of "crack" cocaine a much bigger crime with stiffer sentences, because it's what's popular in the black communities, compared to the much lesser sentence for possesing the same amount of cocaine in powder form which the white yuppies enjoy.

damned crazy conspiracy theorist kansans! :31:

i don't know thetmanski BTW, just coincidence.

i don't think anyway... you from around wichita? shoot IDPA or train with bill regina?

[muggsy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2% 80%93Iraq_war

We had no problem with Saddam's brutality back in the 80s when we were funding and arming him, including with the very WMD he used on his own people. We seem to have no problem with the other ruthless dictators we currently support.

http://www.salon.com/2011/02/02/american_allies_dictators/

Apheod, why are all of your links to left leaning organizations? Aren't left leaning organizations attempting to undermine your second amendment rights? Do you really believe that they have your best interests at heart. I didn't ask for your comments or links. I simply posted an invitation to watch a documentary. You're free to decline the invitation. The U.S. never encouraged Saddam Hussein to terrorize and torture his people. The U.S. didn't supply him with WMD any more that the Farm Bureau and Exxon supplied Timothy McVeigh with a bomb.

[muggsy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2% 80%93Iraq_war

We had no problem with Saddam's brutality back in the 80s when we were funding and arming him, including with the very WMD he used on his own people. We seem to have no problem with the other ruthless dictators we currently support.

http://www.salon.com/2011/02/02/american_allies_dictators/

The United States provides weapons to all of their allies to be used for their defense. The United States has never asked any of their allies to use those weapons slaughter their own people or to provoke a war with their neighbors.

[apheod]

you may not have asked to have anything but supporting posts made in this thread when you made it, but that's the nature of the internet. everyone can see what you post and counter it. i know for certain a lot of people see the things i post and think i'm misled at best, a moron at worst, and that i'm likely to have my opinions challenged. doesn't bother me.

wikipedia is not a left leaning organization.

criticizing the us government does not make a website "leftist." even if a website does publish left leaning stories, does not make them untrue, just biased. this stuff is confirmed by senate hearings and declassified documents.

i am not a leftist...

[ripley16]

There are a bunch less world class bad guys on the Earth, and that's a good thing. IMHO, Saddam's demise was caused by his own brutal nature, his greed, his heavy support of other bad guys and besides all that, he tried to assassinate a U.S. President. That's reason enough to go kill him as far as I'm concerned. Crushing those creeps was a good thing any way it's measured.

[jocko]

Me thinketh those damN KARDASHIANS ARE INVOLVED in this sh-=t somehow.

[jeffe007]

i got two words for you: global elites. period.

now if you think that we should spill the blood of fellow countrymen everytime a country goes bad youre outta your mind. I am sick and tired of sticking our noses up the butts of other countries. let em be. Until they cross us let em' be! I am tired of spilling American blood! Thats patriotic!

[muggsy]

i got two words for you: global elites. period.

now if you think that we should spill the blood of fellow countrymen everytime a country goes bad youre outta your mind. I am sick and tired of sticking our noses up the butts of other countries. let em be. Until they cross us let em' be! I am tired of spilling American blood! Thats patriotic!

Vote for Ron Paul, Jeffe. He wouldn't have gone to war with Germany solely to stop the holocaust. The imprisonment, forced labor, starvation, torture and murder of twelve million people wasn't enough reason for Ron Paul.

[OldLincoln]

Can't believe this has lasted 18 posts, 19 with this! No use in gettin all worked up guys. Life and politics are what they are. No amount of shouting at each other is going to change facts or minds.

[John222]

Vote for Ron Paul, Jeffe. He wouldn't have gone to war with Germany solely to stop the holocaust. The imprisonment, forced labor, starvation, torture and murder of twelve million people wasn't enough reason for Ron Paul.

And neither did the USA. The holocaust was never part of the decision making process. Not sure what your point is.

[Bawanna]

The National Geographic Channel is running a documentary entitled, "Inside Saddam Hussein's Reign of Terror". Anyone who doubts that America should have become involved in the overthrow of this dictator should watch this film.

If interested watch this show, I probably will if I happen to know when it's on and I'm near the tube. Then maybe we can critique the show itself in the future.

The rest is water under the bridge. George Bush and even Carter and Nixon are hero's compared to what we got now.

So for now every one click your heels together three times and say "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home. I think I've watched Wizard of Ox every year of my life. That's a lot of repeats.

For now I'm throwing water on this wicked witch.