Dodged a bullet

[TriggerMan]

Once upon a time, I considered buying a Sig Mosquito .22LR. I didn't because I learned it had just a 1 year warranty. At the time they were also hard to find.

Today I learned the slide is zinc potmetal and there are cases of it blowing up while in use. There is a post on the Beretta Forum and another, with pictures, on the Rimfire Central forum.

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=81058

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=81058 see post #9


Be careful what you buy

[WMD]

I wouldn't be so quick to put the gun down (no pun intended). :D I have a friend who has a Mosquito and loves it. It shoots fine and is safe to shoot. I seriously doubt that Sig would put out a gun that is not safe. Do you really think Sig would not put tens of thousands of rounds through test guns to ensure safety and functionality before they are released?

Lots of firearms manufacturers use "pot" metal in their guns. That practice has been going on for decades. Problem is, we do not know what caused the failure. Or, where exactly the failure occured. No pics of the damaged slide. It is just one guy saying it blew up and it is the guns fault.

I thought Post # 7 was interesting. He says no one makes good 22 semi-auto's but Beretta. WTF? Guess he has never heard of Ruger, Browning and S&W (to name a few....). :D

[jocko]

Pesonally for me the Bereta line in 22's would not be at the top fmy list of 22's that I would want to own. If u can knock the Ruger line then, the discussion probalby should end right there for IMO ur making zero sense

[Hognutz]

I have a Ruger Mark ll That will shoot the balls off a gnat. I love that little gun. I put a red dot scope on it, and it is a squirrels worst nightmare..5'' stainless bull barrel. I am a believer..

[sas PM9]

TM:

I was expecting more of a "Matrix" themed message.

-steve

[CJB]

The Mosquito is Zamac, not pure zinc. Zinc-Aluminum-Magnesium-and Copper.

Its designer pot-metal.

So are - the Walther P22, the Colt 1911 .22LR copies (not the Browning one, which is aluminum), Jennings, Raven, RG, and lots of other really garbage pistols.

Zamac should be restricted for use only in costume jewelry for 8 year old girls.

[jocko]

I have a Ruger Mark ll That will shoot the balls off a gnat. I love that little gun. I put a red dot scope on it, and it is a squirrels worst nightmare..5'' stainless bull barrel. I am a believer..

big fokking nats where u live--huh? :yo:

[TriggerMan]

I wouldn't be so quick to put the gun down (no pun intended). :D I have a friend who has a Mosquito and loves it. It shoots fine and is safe to shoot. I seriously doubt that Sig would put out a gun that is not safe. Do you really think Sig would not put tens of thousands of rounds through test guns to ensure safety and functionality before they are released?

Lots of firearms manufacturers use "pot" metal in their guns. That practice has been going on for decades. Problem is, we do not know what caused the failure. Or, where exactly the failure occured. No pics of the damaged slide. It is just one guy saying it blew up and it is the guns fault.

I thought Post # 7 was interesting. He says no one makes good 22 semi-auto's but Beretta. WTF? Guess he has never heard of Ruger, Browning and S&W (to name a few....). :DThere were pics showing exactly were the slide split. The other guy didn't post pics but reported catching part of the slide just above his eye.

If Sig was so confident, why only give a one year warranty?

[CJB]

On the sigforum, there are large numbers of complaints re: slide failures on Mosquitos, and a lot of reference to the P22 as well. I nearly got one... then I did my research... zamac? No way Jose

[tv_racin_fan]

On the Kahr forum there are lots of complaints of failures... Best not get one of those worthless things.

On the internet there are lots of pictures of blown up Glocks... Best not get one of those worthless things.

On the internet there are countless photos of blown up Remington 700's and complaints of the things going boom when someone took the safety off or just drove the bolt home.. best not get one of them owrhtless things.

If you bother to check there will be complaints about everything including sex... I dunno about you but I aint never complained about bad sex... Bad sex is still better than a good day at work.

Been enjoying the Mosquito the son got and would not hesitate to purchase another one. BUT if you bought one and want someone to take that sorry thing off your hands you can PM me with a deal I might not refuse...

[WMD]

Pesonally for me the Bereta line in 22's would not be at the top fmy list of 22's that I would want to own. If u can knock the Ruger line then, the discussion probalby should end right there for IMO ur making zero sense

I could not agree with you more.....

[WMD]

There were pics showing exactly were the slide split. The other guy didn't post pics but reported catching part of the slide just above his eye.

If Sig was so confident, why only give a one year warranty?

Ruger doesn't give any warranty. (doesn't mean they will not repair something of course).

I would not base warranty length as a guide for quality of a firearm.

[WMD]

On the Kahr forum there are lots of complaints of failures... Best not get one of those worthless things.

On the internet there are lots of pictures of blown up Glocks... Best not get one of those worthless things.

On the internet there are countless photos of blown up Remington 700's and complaints of the things going boom when someone took the safety off or just drove the bolt home.. best not get one of them owrhtless things.

If you bother to check there will be complaints about everything including sex... I dunno about you but I aint never complained about bad sex... Bad sex is still better than a good day at work.

Been enjoying the Mosquito the son got and would not hesitate to purchase another one. BUT if you bought one and want someone to take that sorry thing off your hands you can PM me with a deal I might not refuse...


Very well put! My friend feels the same way about the Mosquito he got for his wife. It shoots like gangbusters. I try to keep two things in mind when I am looking at the internet.

1 - The complaints represent a very small fraction of product in the market.
2 - You are only hearing the side of the story the "teller" wants you to hear.

Things may not always be what they seem to be.... ;)

[CJB]

On the Kahr forum there are lots of complaints of failures... Best not get one of those worthless things.


If the problems were attributed to condition caused by the very material the gun was made of.... that would be one thing. But Kahr, and Glock, and Remington seem to do a good job of it when correcting things, and we for one have many glowing reports of corrected issues right here on this very forum. At the end of the day the P22 and Mosquito are still zamac, which I guess they say is "good enough".

Thinking some on it, if those guns didn't have the Sig or Walther name on them... they probably would not stand the test of the marketplace.

[gb6491]

Pesonally for me the Bereta line in 22's would not be at the top fmy list of 22's that I would want to own. If u can knock the Ruger line then, the discussion probalby should end right there for IMO ur making zero sense


I could not agree with you more.....
I guess I'm on the other side of that fence. There are several Berettas near the top of my .22 wish list:
89 Target
87 Target
87 Cheetah
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zzlwyv.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/316m2js.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/28iyc7q.jpg
I'm not sure about the 89T, but the 87T and 87 are currently in production.
Alas, my only Beretta .22 is a model 101 Jaguar (I wouldn't mind having a related model 71 either):
http://i41.tinypic.com/2yxiyqd.jpg
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

Greg, those are beautiful! I think Jocko and WMD are talking about the pocket 22s. I had one. Literally couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.

[tv_racin_fan]

If the problems were attributed to condition caused by the very material the gun was made of.... that would be one thing. But Kahr, and Glock, and Remington seem to do a good job of it when correcting things, and we for one have many glowing reports of corrected issues right here on this very forum. At the end of the day the P22 and Mosquito are still zamac, which I guess they say is "good enough".

Thinking some on it, if those guns didn't have the Sig or Walther name on them... they probably would not stand the test of the marketplace.

UUMM but ya see they are very often contributed to the very material those guns are made of.. ya know that worthless polymer stuff. And in other cases they are just attributed to the way they are made... that there unsupported chamber.

I guess you aint read so well either... right here on this very forum are numerous threads of intances where Kahr was accused of not doing the very thing you seem to claim Sig doesn't do. Sure there are gloiwing threads of corrected issues I bet there are threads of such on Sigs as well.

Tis funny I sit here looking at this heah Mosquito and I see polymer and steel and zamac.

When my son got the Mosquito I posted on a forum asking about issues anyone had with them. Only issue I got was how they are a bit finicky on ammo... Seems my Ruger MK II is a bit finiky as well. The Mosquito runs pretty dern well with CCI Mini Mags and not bad at all with some Federal loads. I chalk it up to the round not the firearm and buy the loads the run well enough since none of them run absolutely.

[TriggerMan]

Ruger doesn't give any warranty. (doesn't mean they will not repair something of course).

I would not base warranty length as a guide for quality of a firearm.This is the only Sig with a short warranty. Other Sig models have Lifetime warranty.

Ruger has a well established reputation for doing lifetime warranty, they just don't want the state by state rules warraties entail.

The point was more that this one model was singled out among other models of the same company.

If Lexus offered a 100,000 mile drive train warranty on a six speed automatic transmission but a 10,000 mile one on a 5 or 7 speed trans, what would you think?

[Hognutz]

big fokking nats where u live--huh? :yo:

Nice one, jocko!!!
There's one flying around with only one ball. I pulled a little left when I squeezed off the shot..He was headed towards Indiana..Very high pitched hum..:p

[CJB]

I had a Beretta 76 (I think was the number), built on the model 70 frame, which was single action only.

That gun was so nice, trigger so nice, shot so good, that turned down the barrel straight, bored a 2 inch solid bar of stainless steel to accept the barrel, complete with hood (the factory shroud was tossed), and put a 4x pistol scope on it. Easily hit clay birds at 100 yards, if the wind wasn't blowin. My bud Ken did the same with his Ruger .22 Mark I target 512, and it shot just as nice, and both guns had light and smooth triggers.

Beretta makes a nice .22 when they wanna. I'd get that 87 Target, but the dollars... yikes. Ruger 22/45 seems more my budget

[jocko]

I don't think anyone is stating the Beretta 22 are not capazble guns. those posted by GB are certainly nice peaces, so few are ever seen though,, doesn't mean they are not super guns just not great sellers. By and large give me my old Ruger Mk anything models and I will be more than happy. I have over 5K thorugh my MK22 6 67/8 bbl with good adjustable sights. It shoots far beter than Ican do with it, looks super, all stainless, and to date other than barrel cleaning all I have ever done is lock the slide openanbd spray the living piss out of it with brake cleaner and reoil and shoot it like I stole it. In my little mind I always loved the ol High standard target models they made years agto. The super matic trophys with fluted barrels and tapped for weights, what a goodlooking shooting gun. Or the super Smith Model 41 with the extended front dovetails front sight.

I guess I just never got really hung up on Berettas, for no reason other than I just didn't see hardly any around to get evaualation .

The little Beretta jetfires are a reallife savor, If I cold get WMD to reprint his memo tome about the lifesaving features of this little pocket 22, I think u will get a good laugh out of it to...Come on WMD, let um all in on it..