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jeep45238
01-25-2010, 08:46 AM
I ran across some photos recently that inspired me to keep up on the training, even when the income level is zip (at the moment - dry drills are better than none) and there's no courses that I can really take right now. I've said for a while that a gun is NOT a talisman that will magically keep evil from finding you, it is simply a tool and you better know how to use it properly, effectively, and quickly.

These are pictures the pictures I ran across through a link posted by people massaging KAC's nether regions on a .308 rifle, and they are truly inspiring.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/jeep45238/Range%20Time/Paul/image002-9.jpg
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Am I likely to run across a similar situation in civilian life? No. Am you likely to encounter a handgun used in malice against yourself? No, though I already have. Most people here carry a gun for defense of their lives and that of their loved ones. Others carry a gun as part of their job, both foreign and domestic. Most also probably have fire extinguishers, some basic first aid kit, and home insurance. All of these are excellent starts - but they are completely useless if you do not know how to effectively use the tools of the trade (for instance - how many of you have taken a field first aid course or have practiced using a fire extinguisher)

His name is Paul, a marine who was paralyzed in Iraq 6.5 years ago. This is his story (original link - Lessons Learned In Combat - M4Carbine.net Forums (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540) ) :

Lessons Learned In Combat

I originally wrote and posted this in the AAR for my recent carbine course on the Alumni Forum. But I think it would interest a lot of you here as well. Feel free to cross-post or share it where and how you see fit, as I want it to have as much of an impact as possible, and drive several key points home, on those who go in harms way, both on foreign soil (military and PMCs) and here at home (LEOs and civilian sheepdogs). Combat vets also feel free to post your own lessons learned in combat.

I'm Paul, the wounded Marine mentioned above in Jeff's AAR. I served as a Rifleman (MOS 0311- Get Some!!) during the initial invasion of Iraq some 6 1/2 years ago, and was severely wounded in one hell of a gunfight on April 12, 2003 in the city of Al Tarmiyah, a small suburb just northwest of Baghdad. I can now say with complete confidence that had I somehow been able to attend a TRICON class (or similar training class offered by another quality instructor) before I deployed to war, and had been able to learn all of the things taught by Jeff Gonzales in this carbine course I recently took here in Houston, I would NOT have been shot the way I was on that Sunday afternoon in Iraq. That's not to say I wouldn't have been blown to **** in an IED attack on my second deployment to Ramadi in 2004 (which is where my unit deployed next), but I would not have been shot that day and wouldn't be paralyzed from the waist down for the rest of my life.

For all of you Military and LEO guys out there (and guys and gals who are planning on enlisting in either of those fields sometime in the future), let that sink in a bit.

The reason for this belief of mine is fairly simple: When I was engaged in combat the day I was wounded, I made several critical mistakes resulting either from training scars or from simply not being trained how to do something in a certain manner (if at all). I know that training, tactics and procedures (TTPs) and SOPs have changed greatly over the past 6 years since I was wounded, but I guarantee that they are still lacking enough to where I would strongly advise anyone who is planning on going into harms way, either on foreign soil or here domestically in our own nation's cities, to reach out to the private sector for some enhanced weapons training. I believe that it could save lives, and could prevent a lot of men and women from being needlessly wounded (not all by any means, but quite a few such as myself).

Below is basically a summary of the events that (I strongly feel) led to my being paralyzed from the waist down. This is not an actual AAR of the entire firefight that my platoon was involved in, but rather a very small snippet of intel regarding just a few moments of combat involving just myself:

jeep45238
01-25-2010, 08:47 AM
On April 12, 2003, during the initial invasion of Iraq, my platoon was involved in a very well-executed ambush (the receiving end, unfortunately) in the Iraqi town of Al Tarmiyah- a small suburb that lies just northwest of Baghdad. The firefight that ensued would last an astounding 3 hours, which is almost unheard of today, and was basically my platoon (around 55 Marines) versus roughly 150+ Fedayeen Saddam Fighters, or so I was told several months afterwards. I was also later informed that we killed around 100 of the bastards that day. We suffered no KIAs, but had several WIAs (mostly from shrapnel from RPGs and hand grenades), with myself being the most severe injury of the day. It was because of engagements such as these that the enemy adapted and quickly learned not to go head-to-head with American forces... or suffer the consequences. Soon thereafter the insurgency began and they started using guerilla tactics, such as performing hit-and-run ambushes and placing IEDs on the country's roadways to inflict casualties on our side without the grave consequences of head-to-head engagements against us.

I won't discuss every detail of the attack and gun fight that followed the ambush, as it would be far too long, and this is already going to be a fairly long post.

After we were initially ambushed by RPGs and small arms fire in a T-shaped intersection from enemy fighters to both our north and south, while dismounted from our Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs), my platoon split up and punched outward from the kill zone to take the fight to the enemy. The bad guys weren't expecting us to be so aggressive I don't think. But we were Marines, we were Infantrymen, and they had just pissed us the **** off. We were already aggravated as hell that all of the Abrams tanks and Cobra gunships, which were always positioned just in front of us in our column of vehicles during the invasion (for obvious reasons), had been "stealing" our kills ever since we crossed the damn border a few weeks earlier, so needless to say we had literally been hoping that some bad guys would poke us with a stick and pick a fight with us.

About an hour and a half into the gun fight, I found myself in the backyard of a two-story residence. The 5 to 8 enemy fighters had fled the house after we fired a rocket into it. Several of them were using a mud/dirt/clay/whatever-the-**** guesthouse/storage building in the backyard as a make-shift bunker, and other fighters were outside of it. When I entered the backyard, my plan was to either find something to use as cover to get behind while I engaged the "bunker," or to make entry inside the house and shoot outside of a window or door... it was just hasty thinking on my part, and not an actual "plan." I just knew that I needed to find some cover to get behind so I could kill some of the bastards from relative safety.

As I rounded the corner of the house and entered the backyard, I immediately spotted an enemy fighter roughly 20 yards away at my 11 o'clock, low-crawling away from the bunker and dragging an AK47 with him. I stopped moving immediately and began engaging him. I fired at least 15 rounds at him, with most of the bullets impacting his body. Each time I scored a hit, his body let me know it by violently thrashing around. My adrenaline was pumping like crazy, which is why I continued to pummel him with rounds. I had never engaged an enemy that close before, and this was the very first time I could actually see my bullets impacting another human being's flesh, which is why I continued to fire my weapon over and over and over... it was just a shock to my psyche and I didn't know what else to do other than completely annihilate the threat in front of me. The only reason I quit firing is because another fighter stepped halfway out of the doorway to the "bunker" at my 1 o'clock and began firing wildly at me. I responded by shifting my fire over to him. I fired only about 5-7 rounds at him before my bolt locked to the rear on an empty magazine. I scored 1 hit somewhere on his torso, though I have no idea where. He fell backwards into the bunker's doorway and out of my sight.

I assumed that I had taken him out of the fight for good, either by killing him or wounding him badly. This would prove to be a huge error in judgement on my part.

Since my weapon was dry (a basic M16A2 service rifle with carrying handle using only the iron sights) and I needed to reload, I moved about 10 feet to my right. I wasn't behind cover, but I thought that if anyone else came out of the bunker doorway, that they wouldn't be able to see me. Besides, I was just going to quickly reload my rifle and get back into the fight, right? Wrong.

The Marine Corps had shown me once or twice in boot camp how to reload my M16 on the rifle range, but speed reloads and tactical reloads were never taught. There was one time during one training op before we deployed where a British Royal Marine, who was doing some training evaluation on my unit, showed us how to reload your rifle quickly and put the empty magazine in your cargo pocket so that you wouldn't waste time trying to put it back into your super-tight standard-issue mag pouches. Not to mention that you never want to re-insert an empty magazine into the same pouch(es) that you are going to instinctively index your fresh magazines from. But we never went over that or practiced it afterwards, so I never retained it and my body never memorized the motions of that technique. We actually never went over or practiced doing ANY kind of reloads; it was just something you were expected to know how to do: when your weapon runs dry, ya stick another magazine in it. That sounds simple, but I've discovered that it's a lot more complicated than that... especially when doing it under stress.

So, what did I do when it was time for me to reload my M16 on April 12, 2003? I pressed the magazine release, pulled the empty magazine out of the mag well, inserted the empty magazine back into one of my mag pouches (which took a couple extra seconds to do, especially considering I was inserting it into a pretty tight pouch that already had a magazine in it), indexed the fresh magazine from that pouch (which was positioned bullets-up in my pouch because way too many rounds would fall out of it when I tried carrying it upside down in the pouch... I'm guessing that's because the feed lips were worn, but I knew nothing about that back then and didn't even know that magazines were a disposable component), stuck it into the mag well until it seated and, finally after at least 8 seconds, pressed the bolt release button/paddle and sent another round flying into the chamber.

I was looking down the entire time I was doing this as well!

Well, when I was finally done reloading, and finally decided to look back in the direction of the enemy bunker just 20 yards away from me, that very same enemy fighter who I'd just ******* shot and assumed that I had put down for good, was aiming directly at me with his AK47 assault rifle.

While I had been performing my nasty-ass, slow-as-**** reload, and looking down at my gear and weapon as I was performing that abortion of a reload, he had gotten back up to his feet, moved out the doorway in order to search for the ******* American who greased his comrade and just shot him too, and moved down the wall of the bunker until he saw me standing there... performing my nasty, slow-ass reload, while staring down at my weapon and gear. He was now standing at my 11 o'clock, since I had moved to my right a little before reloading.

I had basically allowed... no, invited the bastard to get the drop on me.

As soon as I finally looked up from reloading my weapon and saw him standing a mere 15 yards in front of me (at 11 o'clock) and aiming at me with his AK47, I began to raise my rifle and attempt to put him down for good this time. It is also worth noting that I was standing in a bladed stance as well, exposing my unprotected left side of my chest to the enemy, which was even more exposed since he was standing at my 11 o'clock as well. The Marine Corps never taught us to square up to the target and make the most use and take the most advantage of our ballistic SAPI plates. The only "standing" position that I knew of was the one taught to me by my Primary Marksmanship Instructor back in boot camp, which of course is only worth a damn on the flat range back home when qualifying with the rifle (just FYI, I was a "double-award" Expert marksman as well, which means jack **** in combat)... NOT for use in combat when wearing body armor meant to protect your vital organs (and spinal cord).

An additional mistake was having my rifle in roughly the "Low Ready" position as well, instead of keeping it pointed downrange the entire time I was reloading. So once I sent the bolt flying home and chambered another round, I had to raise my rifle instead of my rifle already being raised and at the "Ready," pointing downrange and ready to rock. However, I was wielding an M16A2 with a 20" barrel, so I guess that one could argue that it's a lot harder to keep that heavy rifle pointed downrange with one hand/arm. I'm not really sure if that's a valid argument or not, as I probably could've just "tucked" the butt stock under my armpit to aid in keeping the barrel pointed downrange during the reload.

jeep45238
01-25-2010, 08:48 AM
So I began to raise my rifle to kill the enemy fighter, but I was too late. The last thing I saw was a bright muzzle flash from his AK47 as it fired a short burst of 7.62mm projectiles at me. One of those bullets impacted me just under my left armpit, in the exposed area that isn't protected by ballistic plates, and tumbled downward through my body. After shredding my spleen (which had to be removed), puncturing and collapsing my left lung, lacerating my stomach and left kidney, severing my aorta vein, and blowing out a large chunk of my vertebrae, the bullet completely severed my spinal cord at the T12/L1 level, which instantly and completely and permanently paralyzed me from the waist down.

There's a LOT more to this story of mine (obviously), but this small piece of it is all that's relevant in this particular forum.


The moral of this story is this:

Muscle memory can be a great thing when the tactics, techniques and procedures that you're muscles are memorizing are good and effective ones. But it works both ways, meaning that, for example, if you handle certain things in training in a relaxed "administrative" fashion, then you can bet your ass you will handle those things in combat the same way.

For a quick summary, here are the things that I did wrong in combat that led to my severe injury and disability:

-assuming I killed the bad guy with one shot to the torso area
-doing a slow reload
-retaining my empty magazine
-put an empty magazine in the general location where my fresh magazines were at
-staring down at my weapon while reloading
-not keeping my weapon pointed downrange during my reload
-standing bladed and not taking advantage of my ballistic plates

If you are in the military or a law enforcement officer, or even a civilian sheepdog, it would behoove you to get some training outside of your unit/department IMHO. Everything I learned in just the first day of my TRICON Combative Carbine 1 class could've helped to save my life in combat and prevent the injury that I needlessly sustained... I say that with complete and utter confidence. And take lots of notes and pictures at your class so that you can go back to your unit/department and spread the knowledge to your fellow brothers-in-arms. If you are a squad leader, you have an obligation to ensure that your young Marines/Soldiers can perform speed reloads quickly, know when and where not to retain a magazine during a reload, and how and when to perform a tactical reload, etc... Practice these things until they become second nature and fluid movements and part of that good ol' muscle memory.

When you attend good courses given by quality companies like Trident Concepts and EAG Tactical (among many others), these things are taught to you, and they are taught for a reason. These tactics, techniques and procedures are taught this way in order to prevent very preventable injuries like mine. So pay attention and learn in class so that you don't get schooled in the middle of a gunfight instead, like I did.


Also please note that I don't want to come off like I'm "blaming" the Corps for my injury. However, I strongly feel that the TTPs could be improved. There are some things that can truly only be learned through actual combat experience, but in my opinion and experience there is a lot of knowledge available out there that is simply going to waste and not being implemented in a unit's training and work-up, and should definitely be included as the "standard."

Semper Fi'!!

Paul

Train, Train, Train!! And never, ever give up!

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Smoke Eater
01-25-2010, 10:20 AM
Jeep,
Thanks!

wyntrout
01-25-2010, 11:17 AM
Yes, Jeep, thanks. And many thanks to Paul for his service to our country and for bringing to our attention the need for practice and situational awareness. All of his attention got focused on reloading and putting the empty magazine away, not that he was surrounded by people trying to kill him.
I don't know if everyone has practiced rapid reloading at the range, but the first attempt can leave you feeling pretty inept. I know that I brought the magazine up and tried to insert it brass to the front on my first try. I then thought through what I was doing and gradually sped up the process. Throw in some stress like trying to find or maintain cover during the process and watching out for the bad guys gives Murphy the environment he lives for. Adrenalin and tunnel vision are present in abundance and only practice can help you keep up with the situation by allowing you to do the routine things like reloading while trying to stay alive.
Very good post!
Wynn

jeep45238
01-25-2010, 04:29 PM
For those who think that you're good enough with your pistol, participate in an IDPA match. It's eye opening what a timer can do to you - and the targets aren't shooting back.

I've gotten my reloads as quick as it takes most people to draw a gun, still working on that - and the movements purposeful enough and assertive enough that when I slam home a mag most guns will strip a round and send the slide home when the mag is seated. Kahr's, Glock's, most 1911's - I don't depend on that to send the slide home, but the speed and purpose of each movement matters more and more when your life may be on the line.

Remember - you fight how you train, so train like you're fighting! CCW is FIGHTING, not target shooting!

Vinikahr
01-25-2010, 04:51 PM
Remember - you fight how you train, so train like you're fighting! CCW is FIGHTING, not target shooting!

Exactly, lots of people seems to concentrate in two things: How many rounds they can shoot from a firearms and thigh groups, rather than concentrating in the fight, most important is to make sure your bullets counts (center mass) since you will be shooting a moving target.:eek::59:

hsart
01-27-2010, 05:36 PM
Paul, thank you for your service to our country and for your thoughtful posts. Perhaps they will save someone's life in this forum. It brings up some thoughts I have on proper training... I would like to know what courses other forum member have taken that address the points you made:

<<For a quick summary, here are the things that I did wrong in combat that led to my severe injury and disability:

-assuming I killed the bad guy with one shot to the torso area
-doing a slow reload
-retaining my empty magazine
-put an empty magazine in the general location where my fresh magazines were at
-staring down at my weapon while reloading
-not keeping my weapon pointed downrange during my reload
-standing bladed and not taking advantage of my ballistic plates>>

I took a four-day defensive handgun course at Frontsight outside of Las Vegas and each of these points were drilled into us. I came away with a tremendous amount of knowledge that I try to train with when I go to the range or in dry practice at home. I have had a few guns pointed at me in life - one in Afghanistan many years ago - and I say a prayer every time I think about it and realize that I survived. If my son or daughter were ever deployed to a combat zone I would NEVER let them go without the proper training, which obviously our armed forces just do not get.

I am a photographer and may find myself in a hot zone at some point and am planning on taking several multi-weapon courses - probably at Frontsight in the next few years.

All the best to you.... hsart

wyntrout
03-27-2010, 09:28 PM
This bears reading more than once by everyone. Keep focused on the real threats -- don't sweat the pissants when you're up to your ass in alligators!
Practice and proficiency in simple tasks allows you to concentrate on the dang alligators!!
Wynn:D

Raoul
03-28-2010, 10:12 AM
Paul, I read your posts last night and couldn't begin to comment.
Thanks just doesn't say enough. If there's ever anything this ornery old hillbilly can do for you, let me know.

jeep45238
03-28-2010, 03:01 PM
Paul, I read your posts last night and couldn't begin to comment.
Thanks just doesn't say enough. If there's ever anything this ornery old hillbilly can do for you, let me know.


Send it to the fellow who became a parapaligic for you and me - you can find his link over on m4carbine.net ( Lessons Learned In Combat - M4Carbine.net Forums (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540) ) under the name RetreatHell

I'm sure he'll appreciate the comments.

wyntrout
03-28-2010, 05:03 PM
Here's a good clip recommended by Paul concerning learned bad habits, like magazine or cartridge retention:

YouTube - Larry Vickers Training Scars - Reloading (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Cnr78WUNg)

jeep45238
03-28-2010, 05:28 PM
Yup - the Magpul Dynamics series of videos shows some pretty good techniques and drills to try to get rid of training scars - I've got some, and am getting rid of them (biggest recommendation - WORK IN YOUR WORKSPACE, KEEPING YOUR EYES DOWNRANGE)- but I need LAND to keep working on the rest of them :D

zena
03-28-2010, 07:13 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I know that I can be too relaxed in my range time. Yes, I use a timer to try to kick my butt into moving faster. But I obviously don't have the adrenaline factor that would come into play during a stressful encounter. So just today I had the PM9 at the range for some "Really shoot it like you mean it" training. Gun was flawless, as usual. Wish I could say the same for me. A-zone was decimated but not with the speed I'd like. So next weekend, I'll go back out and work it some more. :59::59:

wyntrout
09-25-2012, 10:43 AM
Bump... time for re-posting for the benefit of all members.

Wynn:)

jeep45238
11-24-2012, 03:31 PM
And I think it's time to give my little tidbits to it.

I've been absent from these forums for a while. Predominantly due to work, and changing carry platforms. I tend to go seek out as much info as I can about the equipment that I utilize. I went from starting work making sandwiches at a casino shortly after I made this original post, to working at a high tonnage food production plant in the ghetto. The pay was great, the hours sucked, and the neighborhood - wow.

It really hit home for me when I was driving to work and found a dead body in the street. Mind you this neighborhood is one of those places where nobody ever knows, saw, or heard about any happenings. What struck me most wasn't that I found somebody in the street, or the phone call I made after that - no. It was my reaction. I didn't think anything about the person laying on the ground, or their family - the only thing I thought of was "****, now I'm late to work." I had been desensitized that much.

The plant was an anti-anything-that could-possibly-be-concieved-of-as-a-weapon place, yet they issued box cutters like they were going out of style - go figure. I won't say for sure, but I'll let you imagine how well I agreed to, and complied with, their rules (mind you, I still would not have broken any laws either way).

I got out of there shortly after that, and started working at a gun store. I took a big paycut, but I was happy, and that's what mattered. I worked in a neighborhood that was right between a really, really rich neighborhood and a really, really poor neighborhood. We got plenty of people from both sides of life coming in, and everybody got along just fine (save some confused gang bangers that tried to influence us paying insurance.....that was funny). One of the biggest reasons I enjoyed working there is there was a 24/7 gym across the parking lot - the real reason though, is that they were very flexible with my work hours due to being in the USAF Delayed Entry Program, and they strongly supported my decision to enlist.

I took my second to last oath of enlistment at MEPS on July 03, and was at Lackland AFB later that night. I'm going to skip most of my BMT stories because honestly - I had fun there. No, not in an easy way, but in a sick, demented, I like this crap, way that my MTI ran things (he ran them old school, and I am very grateful that he did).

Over the last few years BMT was extended two weeks to a total of 8 weeks. When past trainees graduated at the 6 week marker and became airman, we were going through BEAST (Basic Expeditionary Airman Skills Training). Picture a simulated deployed environment, random people in middle eastern garb outside the wire with AK's, scorpians, TEMPR tents, MRE's, etc. I was in charge of a sector in my zone, putting me in charge of approximately 80 trainees, in addition to the 51 we had in my flight. Part of this training involved a chalk walk.

We went outside the wire, and I gave up my role to another young trainee - a gung ho guy, smart, liked by many, pretty level headed. On our chalk walk we had 14 trainees counting myself. We had a mission to complete, which was locate, give aide (if needed), and evacuate a wounded airman in a town. We all had our battle rattle and rubber dummy weapons. One of the staff was there if we had any questions. Stumph asked some questions, but he forgot a very key part - if we are engaged in a firefight, how do we actually terminate the threat (these weren't laser guns or anything)?

Well, time came and there's the town. We had split up into 3 teams - two rifle teams and one medevac. However, team leaders hadn't been assigned, nor had even a general thought process of how to enter been discussed by Stumph. I had a really bad feeling going in. I was the only one that had been in a situation actually involving a gun in the group before, and the only one with any training involving firearms or tactics. I was on the medevac team as a last ditch guard for the medic.

20 seconds in we lost 9 guys. Machine guns were going, as were explosions. Hardly anybody took cover, most froze and 'died'. Most of the remaining members couldn't bring their weapon on a threat - they were paralized. I don't know if it was the adrenaline, or that they have never thought they would have to actually point a rifle at another human since they joined the Air Force, not the Marines (news flash - guess who we deploy with fellas :rolleyes: ).

Obviously our mission wasn't successful. The medevac team fell back to hard cover outside the town and radioed for 'reinforcements' and the situation was called over. Nearly all were completely unprepared for what they were doing that day. Why? Honestly, I blame the training we received at BMT. Our hands on combatives / rifle training culminated less than a day's training combined. Most everybody there, and even here at tech school, are beyond content with the training they have gotten and have no desire for any more. I tell them the story of Paul the Rifleman, and they still do not believe it can happen to them (hey, we're intel, I'm told a lot).

Train. Evaluate your skills and your gear. Push yourself. Shoot competitively. Take classes. Buy ammo by the cases, and shoot the crap out of your guns. Learn how your platform works. Learn it's weak spots, learn its strengths. Exploit the strengths, minimize the weaknesses. Perform routine preventative maintenance.

You have to be willing to understand that every platform has compromises, and you must be willing to choose the best platform for you regardless the brand based upon your needs.

But far, far, far more important than that, is to maintain vigilance.

swampman
11-24-2012, 07:05 PM
Long time no see,It's good to see you back.:)

JohnR
11-24-2012, 07:27 PM
Excellent lesson.

"CCW is FIGHTING, not target shooting!" Very well put.

Geobob
12-13-2012, 11:53 PM
Jeep -

Your post is an inspiration, and I thank you for the courage to face what you did and to post this "lessons learned" that we all so desperately need. May God bless you and yours - from a fellow Naval Service veteran. SEMPER FI!
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Geologist Bob
US Navy P-3 Pilot, Army Guard Huey & Blackhawk Pilot (ret.)

Geobob
12-13-2012, 11:56 PM
I wanted to add - I cannot imagine what all Jeep went through. And I really appreciate is AAR on training........

May sound silly, but since I can't go to the range every day, and since only private ranges seems to let you really practice what we need to do for SD, I use air soft pistols in the house and yard to practice - try to do so at least three times a week. Drawing and firing at profile targets, moving around with cover, and all at short distances.
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Geologist Bob
US Navy P-3 Pilot, Army Guard Huey & Blackhawk Pilot (ret.)

wyntrout
12-14-2012, 01:30 AM
Jeep/Mike posted this about Paul:

"His name is Paul, a marine who was paralyzed in Iraq 6.5 years ago. This is his story (original link - Lessons Learned In Combat - M4Carbine.net Forums (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540) ) :

Lessons Learned In Combat

I originally wrote and posted this in the AAR for my recent carbine course on the Alumni Forum. But I think it would interest a lot of you here as well. Feel free to cross-post or share it where and how you see fit, as I want it to have as much of an impact as possible, and drive several key points home, on those who go in harms way, both on foreign soil (military and PMCs) and here at home (LEOs and civilian sheepdogs). Combat vets also feel free to post your own lessons learned in combat.

I'm Paul, the wounded Marine mentioned above in Jeff's AAR. I served as a Rifleman (MOS 0311- Get Some!!) during the initial invasion of Iraq some 6 1/2 years ago, and was severely wounded in one hell of a gunfight on April 12, 2003 in the city of Al Tarmiyah, a small suburb just northwest of Baghdad. I can now say with complete confidence that had I somehow been able to attend a TRICON class (or similar training class offered by another quality instructor) before I deployed to war, and had been able to learn all of the things taught by Jeff Gonzales in this carbine course I recently took here in Houston, I would NOT have been shot the way I was on that Sunday afternoon in Iraq. That's not to say I wouldn't have been blown to **** in an IED attack on my second deployment to Ramadi in 2004 (which is where my unit deployed next), but I would not have been shot that day and wouldn't be paralyzed from the waist down for the rest of my life."

Read HIS story in the link above. There are some good lessons to be learned in his story.

Wynn:)