Does size matter?

[TriggerMan]

The picture below compares the S&B FMJ in 9mm , to a Gold Dot and S&B Hollow Point. Their HP is quite short. My HK P& had no issues but I wonder which guns might. I may need to shoot these in the Nano which right now is failing to extract 7 /100 FMJ S&B in 115 gr.

From left to right: S&B FMJ, Gold Dot, S&B HP - all 115 gr std. pressure

[muggsy]

Buy American.

[TriggerMan]

Buy American.I bet I could spend less than 5 minutes in your house and find you to be in violation of your rule. Anyway, the middle one is American and all of them came from an American store AND I paid sales taxes to boot! ;)

[hss.strat]

My Kel Tec PF9 had trouble with the more blunt nosed 9mm HPs. They kept getting stuck on the feed ramp.


Hard to believe they're all the same weight.

[muggsy]

I bet I could spend less than 5 minutes in your house and find you to be in violation of your rule. Anyway, the middle one is American and all of them came from an American store AND I paid sales taxes to boot! ;)

The only time that I don't buy American is when I can't buy American. I use that as a general rule of thumb.

[TriggerMan]

The only time that I don't buy American is when I can't buy American. I use that as a general rule of thumb.

What cars do you drive?

Mine's a Buick, made in Illinois at a UAW Plant.

[Ikeo74]

The picture below compares the S&B FMJ in 9mm , to a Gold Dot and S&B Hollow Point. Their HP is quite short. My HK P& had no issues but I wonder which guns might. I may need to shoot these in the Nano which right now is failing to extract 7 /100 FMJ S&B in 115 gr.

From left to right: S&B FMJ, Gold Dot, S&B HP - all 115 gr std. pressure
Failures to extract can be attributed to low velosity ammo 99% of the time. Get some ammo thats just another 100 fps faster and problem will probably go away on your Nano.
.

[skiflydive]

What cars do you drive?

Mine's a Buick, made in Illinois at a UAW Plant.

With a transmission made in Mexico, a radio made in Korea, wiring, lighting, molded plastic components and untold other components made in China. The plant in Illinois is an assembly plant. The stuff your Buick is assembled from comes from everywhere...including a little stuff made in the USA.

My Explorer, built in Michigan, has a Mexican made transmission and an engine from France.

Sorry...:(

[jocko]

What cars do you drive?

Mine's a Buick, made in Illinois at a UAW Plant.

put together in Illinois. Made all over the world.

I don't think one radio in any American car today is made in the U.S. I can tell you I spent 2 nice weeks in europe about 2+ months ago and I seen a ton of Fords over there.

Try buying an american made mechanical watch or for that matter a watch- period..

[jocko]

With a transmission made in Mexico, a radio made in Korea, wiring, lighting, molded plastic components and untold other components made in China. The plant in Illinois is an assembly plant. The stuff your Buick is assembled from comes from everywhere...including a little stuff made in the USA.

My Explorer, built in Michigan, has a Mexican made transmission and an engine from France.

Sorry...:(

that right. I think they even have to now list alot of the maor componets somewhere on the vehicle in percentages etc. If I am not mistaken I think one Buick model is totally made in europe. I am sitting here looking atmy desk top and I see a 100th anniversary Harley clock with Bulova on it and on the back made in china. A Harley Davidson side car phone (neat as hell) made in china. a digital temperature,date clock made in china. two longanbarger baskets made in Ohio, A knick knack box for pencils, clips and other sh-t, mde in china. oh yes my computer, made all over hell. A bose sound system for my computer, made in china My Rolex Submariner made in Switzerland. My Bulova 1965 vintage accutron space view, made in switzerland.

Oh yes, my wife 100% made in American:D

[les strat]

More Honda parts are made in the USA than most American car companies. Sad but true. We outsource. They bring their plants here and hire American workers. Go figure.

Back on topic, any feeding issues I have had with small guns comes from ammo that is on the longer side, like Federal in my LCP and Bersa.

[TriggerMan]

With a transmission made in Mexico, a radio made in Korea, wiring, lighting, molded plastic components and untold other components made in China. The plant in Illinois is an assembly plant. The stuff your Buick is assembled from comes from everywhere...including a little stuff made in the USA.

My Explorer, built in Michigan, has a Mexican made transmission and an engine from France.

Sorry...:(You can't know anything about my car without knowing the model and the year.

If you want to know if a car is American made, check the VIN number. If it starts with a "1", its one of ours.

When I was shopping, I passed up several US branded cars made in Mexico. The first year of the newly revised Buick Regal was German in origin. Production for year 2 and later was moved to the USA.

[HDoc]

You can't know anything about my car without knowing the model and the year.

If you want to know if a car is American made, check the VIN number. If it starts with a "1", its one of ours
.
Actually I think that means that at least 50% of the parts are made in the US. So you can have a Honda with a 1 and profits to to Japan or a Buick
with 49 % American made parts and profits go to US. Which is better ?

[TriggerMan]

Actually I think that means that at least 50% of the parts are made in the US. So you can have a Honda with a 1 and profits to to Japan or a Buick
with 49 % American made parts and profits go to US. Which is better ?

VINs are for Country of origin, not parts content. Knowing stuff like this is the one advantage of living near the Motor City, Detroit!

Detroit automakers build a majority of the nameplates with high domestic content. For the 2011 model year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports 37 models have domestic parts content of 75 percent or higher. Twenty-eight of them are from a Detroit-based brand. A year ago, Detroit brands were responsible for 35 of the 47 models rated 75 percent or higher.


http://www.kerrywilson.com/vin.htm

http://www.carfax.com/vin_decoding.cfx

[TriggerMan]

Failures to extract can be attributed to low velosity[sic] ammo 99% of the time. Get some ammo thats just another 100 fps faster and problem will probably go away on your Nano.
.

It's momentum which matters for the cyling the slide. Conversion to Power Factor works too.

I have tried [brand] [grain weight] [fps] [power factor] [type]

Lawman, 147,985,144.80, fmj
S&B,115,1250,143.75 fmj

GLOCK minimums for Model 17 per armorer manual 124, 1148,142.35

AM Eagle,115,1180,135.70,fmj
Lawman,124,1090,135.16,fmj

[skiflydive]

You can't know anything about my car without knowing the model and the year.

If you want to know if a car is American made, check the VIN number. If it starts with a "1", its one of ours.

When I was shopping, I passed up several US branded cars made in Mexico. The first year of the newly revised Buick Regal was German in origin. Production for year 2 and later was moved to the USA.

Yup...you're right. My Explorer's VIN starts with 1 and the sticker in the door says it was built in the USA. The 1 tells you it was ASSEMBLED in the USA. It has a transmission from Mexico and an engine from France and a gozillion parts from all over Asia. I was just in 2 plants in Canada that are customers of mine, 1 stamping body panels and the other casting engine cradles to be shipped to the US for Chryslers and GM's that will get a 1 in the VIN.

[TriggerMan]

Yup...you're right. My Explorer's VIN starts with 1 and the sticker in the door says it was built in the USA. The 1 tells you it was ASSEMBLED in the USA. It has a transmission from Mexico and an engine from France and a gozillion parts from all over Asia. I was just in 2 plants in Canada that are customers of mine, 1 stamping body panels and the other casting engine cradles to be shipped to the US for Chryslers and GM's that will get a 1 in the VIN.Detroit automakers build a majority of the nameplates with high domestic content. For the 2011 model year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports 37 models have domestic parts content of 75 percent or higher. Twenty-eight of them are from a Detroit-based brand. A year ago, Detroit brands were responsible for 35 of the 47 models rated 75 percent or higher

[HDoc]

Detroit automakers build a majority of the nameplates with high domestic content. For the 2011 model year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports 37 models have domestic parts content of 75 percent or higher. Twenty-eight of them are from a Detroit-based brand. A year ago, Detroit brands were responsible for 35 of the 47 models rated 75 percent or higher

Interesting:



Ford F-150: 80% domestic content, down from 90% for '07
Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 85% for '08, down from 90% for '07
Toyota Camry/Solara: 68% for '08, down from 78% for '07
Honda Accord: 60% for '08, down from 65% for '07
Toyota Corolla: 50% for '09, down from 65% for '08
Toyota Matrix: 65% for '09, down from 75% for '08
Dodge Ram: 68% for '08, down from 72% for '07
Honda Pilot: 70% for '09, same as '08
Honda Civic: 70% for '08, up from 55% for '07

Cole said he wasn't surprised by the ebbing of domestic content, calling it the inevitable result of global sourcing.

"Most of the manufacturers today look at the world as a contiguous global world," he said. "Because of that, it's just a hugely different world from what we've seen in the past, and you make your decisions now on global rules instead of just domestic rules.

"The objective of any manufacturer is to be as productive as possible anywhere they manufacture, whether it's whole vehicles or parts. ... You've got to do what it takes to be profitable."

[muggsy]

What cars do you drive?

Mine's a Buick, made in Illinois at a UAW Plant.

My last five cars were Mercury Grand Marquis.

[TriggerMan]

My last five cars were Mercury Grand Marquis.Canadian?

[U.S. Patriot]

If a bullet is 115 grain it is 115 grain. For example: A FMJ bullet does not have a jacket covering the bottom of the bullet, where a JHP bullet does. So, a FMJ bullet will have a longer OAL compared to a JHP bullet in the same weight. Also bullets can be the same weight and not the exact same shape. For example, they make a flat nose 9mm FMJ bullet.

[Wolffire99]

Cartridges with shorter overall lengths feed more reliably across the board in my experience.

The type of powder used affects OAL as well.

[TriggerMan]

My Nano seems to want 124 gr rounds. I shot 100 American Eagle 124 gr FMJ this morning without a single issue. Also shot my two mags of 124 gr Federal HST JHPs. They have always fed reliably and extracted reliably, about 175 JHP rnds so far. My Nano is reaching 900+ total rounds