Still no way to buy a recoil spring for new-style PM9?

[WilliamG]

So I need a new recoil spring for my new-shape PM9, and I've been hoping there'd be a way to just by the recoil spring and not the whole assembly, but it looks like this isn't the case. Does anyone sell a replacement recoil spring yet? It's kind of ridiculous, really... :(

[Replay13]

www.gunsprings.com sells all the springs for your Kahr. They sell Wolff springs, I think that is the same springs that Kahr uses.
Are you having problems with your pistol, or just experimenting?
James

[TucsonMTB]

www.gunsprings.com (http://www.gunsprings.com) sells all the springs for your Kahr. They sell Wolff springs, I think that is the same springs that Kahr uses.
Yes, but Wolff does NOT offer the NEW style spring at this time. :confused:

[WilliamG]

^ ^ Right. It's getting frustrating just waiting, but the idea of paying for something I don't need (i.e. the rest of the bits that come with the recoil spring from Kahr) is just too much to bear!

Replay13, I like to have some spares, and since I'm getting higher in the round count, I know I'll have to swap mine out soon...

I'm surprised Wolff haven't made one yet?

[DJK11]

I've been using the Wolffs 20.5# recoil springs with my new style slide PM9 for more than 2700 rnds. with out an issue. Perfect function, takes about 5 min. to change but let the Loctite dry overnight.

See this thread www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10281

[WilliamG]

I've been using the Wolffs 20.5# recoil springs with my new style slide PM9 for more than 2700 rnds. with out an issue. Perfect function, takes about 5 min. to change but let the Loctite dry overnight.

See this thread www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10281

Thank you for that. I'm not really sure about changing any other springs that you mention? I thought you just change the one large recoil spring?

[WilliamG]

Right... Does one ever need to replace the inner spring, though? Also, anyone else report success using the old-style recoil spring in the newer PM9? Just seems odd that there would be two different springs if you're not meant to use the "right" one.

[WilliamG]

Right. I'll just get the recoil spring from Wolff, then, as soon as I hear of one other person saying it worked fine! Still bothers me that Kahr sells two different products for the two different PM9s!

[DJK11]

Just my opinion but, there are two springs that perform "work" each instance the slide cycles. Springs weaken from doing work. Each spring may not do the same amount of work but they do work the same number of times. The outer spring may weaken before the inner spring (the inner is stronger). I change both springs. Why do half-a-job.

Your pistol, your choice.

ps: There are reports of Kahr Service clipping a coil off the 15 coil springs, down to 14 coils, to make a PM9 function properly.

[jocko]

In my 32K rounds I probably have done the inner spring thing maybe twice. If I decide to do that I normally just throw away the complete assembly and start all a new again. IMO outter spirng is all that is necessary, why fokkk with the little screw on the end, easy enough to loose anyway, Kahr used to sll us just the outter spring, so that in itselft tells me that outter replacemenbt is all that is really necessary. What DJK11 has done with the 20.5 recoil spring that wollfs sells is IMO probalby ok, IT IS SHORTER than factory cm9 spring, which is something I am not sure about pro or con, but it is stronger than the factory spring so more than likely it will work OK. Noramally the gun will tell u pronto if it is OK or not. Normally I would not recomend putting in any shorter recoil spring but DJK11 reports it is ok in his gun one can certainly try that and see how it does. That is a hell of alot cheaper in price than buying the complete assembly from kahr which is really not needed.

I shoot the 20.5# in my old blunt nose pM9 and like it for reasons I just don't have to think about replacing it as often, but I have also noticed that when I put in that little heavier spring that sometimes it takes a hundred rounds for that spring to take its designed set and up until that with standard range fodder, i sometimes get fail to lock open on the last round. About 100 rounds and then it never fails.. Works perfect with +P ammo,so thereis a differenc e when one gtoes to the 20.5# outter spring. The outter spring carrys most of the recoil.

[WilliamG]

jocko, thanks for your response, as always! I'm still a little nervous about it, so I decided at the last minute (was on the submit-order page on Wolff's site!) to wait for some more reports. I just can't feel good about having two fewer coils, despite the extra # of the 20.5. But it's good to know it "should work." Hopefully some other people can chime in so I know that DJK11 is not alone!

[DJK11]

I think I'm alone on this one! Been speaking of this for about a year without support.

[WilliamG]

I think I'm alone on this one! Been speaking of this for about a year without support.

Ridiculous! *sigh* Well hopefully some people come out of the woodwork and back you up. :) I'd feel better knowing your PM9 isn't a freak. :)

[jocko]

I think I'm alone on this one! Been speaking of this for about a year without support.

really alone, just that maybe most have never tried ur combination. Becuase it works in ur gun does not mean it will work in all guns or is OK in all guns either. IMO there is a reason why kahr has two different length recoil assemble, and tha tis the slides are now longer, so possable this will require a longer recoil spring to be right. One can install a shorter recoil sprin g kand possable be OK with it where as as u know one cannot install the 15 coil spring in the blunt noxe PM9 version as it willjust not fit.

In my case I am not supporting our unsupporting you, as I don't know. I just tend to go with what kahr recommends and that is the 15 coil in the long slide and 13 coil in the short blunt nose slide. As u have statedf even kahr at times has suggested to an owner who was having difficuly installing the 15 coil in his kahr to shorten it a tad, . If one has a 15 coil in his new style PM9 or cm9, then a 15 coil spring will refit in it just for some it is a real bit-h to install it, so shortening a half coil or so seems proper--I guess..:blah:

[JFootin]

Another way to look at it is it's a few dollars to get the Wolff's spring and try it. Not going to break the gun. If it doesn't work, it will cause FTF or FTRB issues. If it works, shoot it like you stole it! If it doesn't, bite the bullet on new RSA from Kahr.

DJK11, how many rounds through it with that spring?

[340pd]

The plot gets thicker. A couple of pics of the recoil spring on my new model PM9.

1. How many coils do you see? Depending on how one counts it looks like 14 or 15 to me.

2. What is, and where is, the screw or nut located that some seem to be losing?

My gun shoots great as is.

[DJK11]

JF,
Approximately 2,700 rnds. with the Wolffs recoil springs. ZERO malfunctions. Reference my link on page one to my other posting.
Go here http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10281

[jocko]

340pd. the nut is on that inner rod that should be fluish with the outter tube. The photo on the left looks like I can see it where as the photo on the right, it looks missing, which can['t be or the tube wouldnot stillbe in place. I count 15 coils.

[DJK11]

340,

The nut is the beveled thing on the end that holds the sleeve on. Apply heat with a heat gun or solder iron (some soak in acetone) and twist it off like a nut. It's threaded. Clean up both of the threads spotless (I use acetone and wire brush) and reassemble with Locktite. Let it dry as per the directions and fire away.

[340pd]

DJK11:

"I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see."

Thank you.

[DJK11]

340,

How I remove it

[340pd]

Love this forum

[Chogers]

Just my opinion but, there are two springs that perform "work" each instance the slide cycles. Springs weaken from doing work. Each spring may not do the same amount of work but they do work the same number of times. The outer spring may weaken before the inner spring (the inner is stronger). I change both springs. Why do half-a-job.

Your pistol, your choice.

ps: There are reports of Kahr Service clipping a coil off the 15 coil springs, down to 14 coils, to make a PM9 function properly.

That is exactly what Kahr did for me when I was having problems. The problem with my PM9 was very odd. It would expel the spent round but than it would leave the empty shell in the chamber. The empty would not eject. Crazy I know! :crazy:

[WilliamG]

JF,
Approximately 2,700 rnds. with the Wolffs recoil springs. ZERO malfunctions. Reference my link on page one to my other posting.
Go here http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10281

DJK11 you also replaced other springs, though, at the same time? It's not JUST the Wolff recoil spring in there... ?

[DJK11]

NO, I did not change all the OEM springs to the Wolffs springs at the same time.\

I want to know how things work, sooo I tinker. My tinkering gives insight for maintenance and repair or malfunction. If one understands how it functions, one can diagnose and correct.

My PM9 was perfect out-of-the-box. No prep, no racking 500 times. I did a complete strip and clean of the top end. I did not change springs due to malfunction.

[WilliamG]

Ok thanks. I'll mull it over a bit. :)

[AIRret]

I know karh says to change the spring every 1,000 rounds. But is that necessary? How often do you change springs?

[jocko]

NO I do not, but springs are low in price, If things start to happen like maybe failure lock open when in the past it was OK, time to change springs. good recoil springs are a big part of correct timing for a semi. I have never read in any kahr manual this amount being said, no doubt if u ask them u can get 5 different totals from 5 different people. Ur gun will tell u when it is time. a 1000 rounds even is alot of rounds for 90% of owners. On my PM9 I change my outter spring only around 2K, same thing for my K9 + or -

[AIRret]

Thanks Jocko. I have had my pm9 for 6 wks and I have 712 rounds on it and it has just loosened up. I'd hate to put in a new spring and go through a minny break in again.

[JimC]

FWIW...received from Kahr on 8/05/2011...I added the bolded wording.

Good afternoon. Thank you for the question. If the firearm is used as
a carry weapon, we would recommend changing the recoil spring every
1200-1500 rounds or every couple of years (whichever comes first) as preventative maintenance. If this firearm is just used for range use, we
would recommend changing it whenever you start to see failure to feed or
return to battery issues. I hope this information helps.
sincerely,
Jay
Kahr Customer Service

On 10/31/11, I replaced the entire recoil assembly in my PM9 @ 1036 rds.
Why you ask?
Because I had one with me at the range, I had an HR 218 qual. coming up, I was close to the 1,200 rds. recommended by Kahr and I wanted to see if my PM9 (EDC gun) would function 100% with a new assembly or if it would require a little breakin.
I fired 78 rds. of my carry load (all I had left at the time), Speer 124 gr. +P SB with the new assembly, 1 FTF and I couldn't figure out why so I called it GTG.
The HR 218 qual. was 40 rds. using my carry load, 100% function.

[AIRret]

Thanks JimC. My kahr is my primary carry so I will follow the 1200 to 1500 rule. Better safe than sorry!! There's not to many things worse than having your gun fail when you really need it!!!

[jocko]

Thanks Jocko. I have had my pm9 for 6 wks and I have 712 rounds on it and it has just loosened up. I'd hate to put in a new spring and go through a minny break in again.

is when at the range just shooting for shooting fun,m breakin another recoil spring or complete assembly and just setit aside and mark it that way, that way u have that area taken care of. More than likely most recoil assemblys or springs dont need alot of rounds down range to get broken in, Just be prepared.:israel:

[JimC]

Thanks JimC. My kahr is my primary carry so I will follow the 1200 to 1500 rule. Better safe than sorry!! There's not to many things worse than having your gun fail when you really need it!!!

The way I look at it is, $23.10 for a recoil assembly is a cheap price to pay for EDC gun insurance. It's about the same as a 20 rd. box of carry ammo.

[muggsy]

The way I look at it is, $23.10 for a recoil assembly is a cheap price to pay for EDC gun insurance. It's about the same as a 20 rd. box of carry ammo.

You can get a 3 spring pack which includes the inner and outer recoil springs and a striker spring from Wolff for $8.99 plus shipping.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=29#185

[JimC]

You can get a 3 spring pack which includes the inner and outer recoil springs and a striker spring from Wolff for $8.99 plus shipping.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=29#185

Thanks but I prefer to stick with OEM parts for my EDC gun.
I have a pistol with an MSRP of $958, why would I care about spending $23.10 for a recoil assembly? :confused:

Ya know, there comes a point where you just have to stop squeezing the **** out of that buffalo nickle. ;)

[Thunder71]

It's like $20 every 1000 rounds or so, I don't see this as a huge issue myself. Once you replace it, it's probably one of the last ones you'll need to buy.

* Buy new assembly
* Old assembly becomes 'range spring'
* New assembly becomes 'defense spring'

Shoot the old one until it dies, if it does.

[WilliamG]

You can get a 3 spring pack which includes the inner and outer recoil springs and a striker spring from Wolff for $8.99 plus shipping.

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=29#185

Not for the newer-shape PM9. At least not "specifically."