There He Goes Again.

[muggsy]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8189-obama-uses-executive-order-to-pass-border-states-gun-restrictions

[Longitude Zero]

Sadly the behavior of the Obamanation on this is no different but the continuation of an un-Constitutional pattern. Look at al lthe "Czars" he appointed.

When he cannot get what he wants thru the legislative process he does it thru executive fiat. Hey comrade Obama...

[tv_racin_fan]

That can't happen due to those checks and balances you mentioned in another thread...

[Longitude Zero]

That can't happen due to those checks and balances you mentioned in another thread...

I conclude you are refferring to the OP. OP funny thing about being consistent, it sure bites you in the keister when you are not.

[getsome]

Just wait and see what Pesbobama does when he starts his 2nd term...He won't have anything to lose because the Republicans didn't have anything to win the election with...You can bet your ars that Odooma will be coming after guns and most probably ammunition with taxes or outright bans...

Mark my words...:mad:

[apheod]

That can't happen due to those checks and balances you mentioned in another thread...

owned.

by the way, this is 6 month old news.

i love how OP tells us we're all paranoid for pointing out the ways the government is taking our rights in baby steps so that most don't notice or just accept it... then makes his own threads about how the president is screwing over gun owners with executive orders. ever notice how when you chuck a quarter or two into your change jar at the end of every day, but then a few years later when you check it... hey theres a few hundred dollars. same concept, only it's our rights that are being stashed away, never to be cashed back in.

based on the way OP is always calling anyone who doesn't agree with him (which is basically everyone on this forum, from what i've seen) a leftist, i'm assuming he only made this thread because it was the evil, leftist, half black president's executive order.

saying this doesn't mean that i'm an obama supporter, leftist, or lunatic, although i'm sure he's about to say otherwise.

[apheod]

Just wait and see what Pesbobama does when he starts his 2nd term...He won't have anything to lose because the Republicans didn't have anything to win the election with...You can bet your ars that Odooma will be coming after guns and most probably ammunition with taxes or outright bans...

Mark my words...:mad:

see my avatar.

want my guns? come and take them, i say.

[KMA]

If I say what I think I will most likely be banned from the forum.

[muggsy]

That can't happen due to those checks and balances you mentioned in another thread...

I never said that I couldn't happen, because of the checks and balances. What I said was that it will be corrected by the checks and balances. You want to see an end to it? Vote republican. Obama, one term and done.

[apheod]

I never said that I couldn't happen because of the checks and balances. What I said was that it will be corrected by the checks and balances.

you said no such thing, and 6 months later, it has not been corrected.

owned again.

[muggsy]

you said no such thing, and 6 months later, it has not been corrected.

owned again.

And it may not be corrected for another six months. The problem is that you expect instant gratification. Impetuous youth, have a little patience. Who was it that said that Fast and Furious wasn't an excuse for Obama to push for more gun control and that the republicans were only playing politics with the issue.
No one owns me.

[apheod]

so basically you're saying...

republicans = good guys

democrats = bad guys

??

they're all scumbags who are out to screw us over. the entire system has been corrupted by money. you honestly think "checks and balances" still work and will protect us?

please.

[Bill K]

Our President said it himself "Elections have consequences.".

[muggsy]

you said no such thing, and 6 months later, it has not been corrected.

owned again.

I'm not in the least concerned about anyone in government abusing power, because of the system of checks and balances of power written into our constitution by our founding fathers.
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My exact words, Apheod. The checks and balances don't prevent abuse of power. The checks and balances correct abuses of power.

[apheod]

I'm not in the least concerned about anyone in government abusing power, because of the system of checks and balances of power written into our constitution by our founding fathers.
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My exact words, Apheod. The checks and balances don't prevent abuse of power. The checks and balances correct abuses of power.

riiiight... since our present government follows the constitution to the T, without deviating in any way.

cmon man, what are you, senile?

[muggsy]

so basically you're saying...

republicans = good guys

democrats = bad guys

??

they're all scumbags who are out to screw us over. the entire system has been corrupted by money. you honestly think "checks and balances" still work and will protect us?

please.

Not quite. What I'm saying is progressive socialists = bad and conservative capitalists = good. The problem is that the democrat party is controlled by progressive socialists. That problem can be corrected by conservative democrats. You see our country is a republic founded on the principles of free capitalism, as well it should be.

[muggsy]

riiiight... since our present government follows the constitution to the T, without deviating in any way.

cmon man, what are you, senile?

Once again you are letting your ignorance show. It doesn't matter if the government follows the constitution to a tee. It only matters that the constitution prevails. Corrected by the checks and balances. That's why we have three branches of government. The founders knew the failings of man. That's why we have a system of checks and balances. Nothing in life is perfect, but our constitution is as close to perfect as man has come. That's because it was divinely inspired. You really ought to get to know the constitution.

[apheod]

so when exactly does the system of checks and balances correct the unconstitutional laws that have been in effect for decades?

[ltxi]

Where's Bawanna when we need him?

[Longitude Zero]

The checks and balances correct abuses of power.

In a correctly functioning US government I would agree. However nobody with 2 or more living brain cells would make the mistake of saying our current government is functioning as the Founding Fathers set it up. Far from it. Therefore the checks and balances built into the system are currrently only platitudes for the uninformed.

[les strat]

Ehhh.

[les strat]

so basically you're saying...

republicans = good guys

democrats = bad guys

??

they're all scumbags who are out to screw us over. the entire system has been corrupted by money. you honestly think "checks and balances" still work and will protect us?

please.

Not when we have a pres that is stocking the Supreme Court with libs, and putting anti-Constitution-minded chronies in positions, like head of DOJ. If he gets another term, and we possibly lose 2 of the older SC justices, check and balances will be a thing of the past. We have one shot to get this joker out. Too bad the reps have a bunch of idiots to chose from.

Like mentioned before, our forefathers would already be shootin.

[tv_racin_fan]

I'm not in the least concerned about anyone in government abusing power, because of the system of checks and balances of power written into our constitution by our founding fathers.
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My exact words, Apheod. The checks and balances don't prevent abuse of power. The checks and balances correct abuses of power.

When are they going to correct the abuses of power exhibited by Jefferson? Or Washington? Or Lincoln? Sure would seem that if those checks n balances were going to correct those abuses that it would have happened long before now.

[JohnR]

"...background checks... ...leaving an electronic paper trail..."

That would be national gun registration. By your guns now, people.

:mad:

[tv_racin_fan]

I never said that I couldn't happen, because of the checks and balances. What I said was that it will be corrected by the checks and balances. You want to see an end to it? Vote republican. Obama, one term and done.

I forgot to ask.. How is voting for a republican going to prevent this sort of crapola when it was the Republicans who pushed for Patriot Act I in the first place?

Democrats seem to have forgotten that they voted for President Obama because he was going to repeal Pat Act I which aint happened.

[muggsy]

The patriot act has not been adjudicated as being unconstitutional. It is only your opinion that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional. Let the system work. It was designed by men far more intelligent than you.

[muggsy]

Not when we have a pres that is stocking the Supreme Court with libs, and putting anti-Constitution-minded chronies in positions, like head of DOJ. If he gets another term, and we possibly lose 2 of the older SC justices, check and balances will be a thing of the past. We have one shot to get this joker out. Too bad the reps have a bunch of idiots to chose from.

Like mentioned before, our forefathers would already be shootin.

Pull your gun Les. Slap kydex. :)

[les strat]

The patriot act has not been adjudicated as being unconstitutional. It is only your opinion that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional. Let the system work. It was designed by men far more intelligent than you.

Hitler was far more intelligent than you as well. Just because someone is smart and in politics doesn't mean they are out for everyone's good. You really are naive when it comes to history. History shows koolaid drinkers have follwed smart men to their graves. You will be one of those who says, "But this wasn't supposed to happen!" when the SHTF.

If it is no concern to you, and our concern is just paranoia, why do you even care to debate this? If you are at peace with the world and the govt will take care of everything, hand over your guns.

[muggsy]

see my avatar.

want my guns? come and take them, i say.

Apheod, your heart is in the right place. It's your head I'm worried about.

[les strat]

Pull your gun Les. Slap kydex. :)

Isn't that inevitably one of the reason we carry and own weapons? The Constitution says so. But we are abandoning it, so it is moot anyway. No need to get alarmed about gun grabbers either (sarcasm)

[les strat]

See, democrats want to take your guns adn give your money to those who don't try in life. We gripe about that all the time. It's unConstitutional. Big government. But so is a big-brother-type govt that can monitor every action a citizen makes. It's not a rep or dem thing. They are ALL big govt, just in different areas. So although I identify myself more with the right, republicans want big govt as well, just where they want it.
Muggsy, you believe what you believe, and I am glad you have no worries or fears of our current lineup of clowns. I, on the other hand, see a potential for abuse should the right (wrong) person fall into the throne. You checks and balances are soon to be gone as soon as B.O. stocks the last few Supreme court seats with gun hating, civil liberty yanking libs. I am saying this out a very conservative POV. The majority of your modern day repulblicans are just as greedy and controlled by money and big business as well. I have the brain to see that and not adhere to any dogma and all of its agendas. Only fools do that.

[muggsy]

Isn't that inevitably one of the reason we carry and own weapons? The Constitution says so. But we are abandoning it, so it is moot anyway. No need to get alarmed about gun grabbers either (sarcasm)

They will pry my guns from my cold dead fingers. I first started reading the American Rifleman in 1958. I was told then that I was in danger of losing my constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I became a life member of the NRA in 1971. Since then the Supreme Court has ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. I feel a lot more secure now. When you fellas think that you've put in as much effort toward securing that right let me know. I'll straighten you out about that, too.

[les strat]

They will pry my guns from my cold dead fingers. I first started reading the American Rifleman in 1958. I was told then that I was in danger of losing my constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I became a life member of the NRA in 1971. Since then the Supreme Court has ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. I feel a lot more secure now. When you fellas think that you've put in as much effort toward securing that right let me know. I'll straighten you out about that, too.

First off, you haven't straightened out anything with anybody.

Second, most members here (I hope) are NRA members, whether life members or not. I think our awareness to issues threatening our Constitutional rights, including teh 2nd Ammendment, is what a true patriot would do. Patriotism does not mean supporting your country in everything they do. That is called blind faith idiocy. Patriotism is raising your voice, fists, or weapons and call BS when you see it. That's what our founding fathers said, and I agree.

[Longitude Zero]

When you fellas think that you've put in as much effort toward securing that right let me know. I'll straighten you out about that, too.

Truth be told you have NOT put in any more or less effort than anybody else your age who is an NRA member. You have nothing you can straighten me out about Period.