Shot Show 2012 - Kahr

[PBJ]

Just back from a nice loooong walk covering both up and downstairs at Shot Show 2012 today admiring all the new products.

This show is bigger than ever imho and prob about 10 miles plus bobbing and weaving through the masses and around the isle congesting cart n suitcase schlogers! :P lol

Doug at the Kahr booth showed me the new trigger setup that was just released which is 30% less pull than original (feels like it's more) The new setup also has a safety lock which is a valuable option for the shorter pull.

Already liked the original clean feeling Kahr trigger pull but the new one felt much nicer and another welcomed new release.

They also have a new clean looking 30 caliber they just released.

Keep up the GREAT work Kahr! :)

[Bill K]

Pictures please, pretty please.

[jocko]

[QUOTE=PBJ;124712]Just back from a nice loooong walk covering both up and downstairs at Shot Show 2012 today admiring all the new products.

This show is bigger than ever imho and prob about 10 miles plus bobbing and weaving through the masses and around the isle congesting cart n suitcase schlogers! :P lol

Doug Williams at the Kahr booth showed me the new trigger setup that was just released which is 30% less pull than original (feels like it's more) The new setup also has a safety lock which is a valuable option for the shorter pull.

Already liked the original clean feeling Kahr trigger pull but the new one felt much nicer and another welcomed new release.

They also have a new clean looking 30 caliber they just released.


trigger do-hickygoing to be standardon all new kahrs or what???Is the trigger travelthe same but just the pounjdage is changed. Where is the safety lock located???

30 caliber what?? kahr, desert eagle? u are leaving us hanging here.

[TD2K]

we fly out tomorrow, going to the show thursday and friday. can't. wait.

[Alfonse]

P9 w/ External Safety & LCI (http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9-w-External-Safety-and-LCI.asp)



It says :MA Approved | New Enhanced Trigger
Shipping Soon!

[Nocturnal_Emissions]

Yes this is interesting let us know! When will the better triggers be available? maybe you can find out more tomorrow!

[jocko]

I wonder if the enhnaced trigger is now the wolff's 5#striker spring.

[MLESa7990]

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-PM40-w-Night-Sights-External-Safety-and-LCI.asp

This looks to be new as well.

[jocko]

makes good sense, probalby will see that next on the PM45

[JFootin]

The safety works backwards, going up to fire and down for safe! :puke:

[MLESa7990]

Well, considering it's only on there for the communist state of Massachusetts, I don't think it matters too much since it really isn't needed at all. lol

[PBJ]

trigger do-hickygoing to be standardon all new kahrs or what???
****I believe he said it will be offered as an "option" in the near future.

Is the trigger travelthe same but just the pounjdage is changed.
**** Trigger travel is shorter and feels very nice.


Where is the safety lock located???
****Pics below on link show safety location and activates smoothly.
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9-w-External-Safety-and-LCI.asp

30 caliber what?? kahr, desert eagle? u are leaving us hanging here.
**** Unknown, but im sure someone will add more info.

Reply to ?'s in bold above.... booth was crowded and could have easily missed other new products as the 1st day I like to fast walk n browse the entire show and then come back later to check specific booths more closely.

[TucsonMTB]

**** Trigger travel is shorter and feels very nice.
I wonder if it will be possible to retrofit the shorter travel trigger to existing pistols . . . and, if Kahr will provide the modification kit to existing owners.

Does this mean a new trigger (ala the Glock and other manufacturers) to make the shorter travel possible? Inquiring mindlets want to know . . . ;)

Guess we may have to wait for the inevitable articles from the ink stained commercial news purveyors. :o

[PBJ]

I wonder if it will be possible to retrofit the shorter travel trigger to existing pistols . . . and, if Kahr will provide the modification kit to existing owners.


Would be a nice option for some but personally would prefer having a safety lock w/ the shorter trigger pull.

[Longitude Zero]

IMHO a thumb safety is needed only on a 1911 style pistol. As it is done on the KAHR it is NOT my cup of tea and I would NEVER buy one ever. But for those who feel the need/require a safety on a KAHR to carry it properly then more power to ya.

[kayl]

I wonder if it will be possible to retrofit the shorter travel trigger to existing pistols . . . and, if Kahr will provide the modification kit to existing owners.

I sure hope so!

[knkali]

Not sure if I am not for it yet. A little less length on the pull would still be considered a long pull--- so maybe.

[BEARDOG]

Here is a video I found from Shot, that the new trigger is mentioned in... But then he never says what is enhanced about it ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yw1-F0ZX0

[Micha2u]

Here is a video I found from Shot, that the new trigger is mentioned in... But then he never says what is enhanced about it ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yw1-F0ZX0


I think that it's interesting to note the following towards the end of this Kahr video where he shoots the new PM9:

1) He slingshots the slide to load a round into the chamber

2) The empty mag falls free when he hits the magazine release to reload

[BEARDOG]

I think that it's interesting to note the following towards the end of this Kahr video where he shoots the new PM9:

1) He slingshots the slide to load a round into the chamber

2) The empty mag falls free when he hits the magazine release to reload

Yeah I noticed that as well, I wondered if anybody else would.
My CM9 and 6 and 7rd mags work like that too.(after I made some modifications);)

[jocko]

probably gonna be alot of kahr owner who are going to get really excited about this new term "enhanced Triggeer" and wanting to send their guns back for the mod. Not this ol timer. love my p9 the way it is. These gun companies are now no different that the auto industry. they have to make changes to get us back into the fold. I would think the enhanced trigger will be no more than a trigger bar and possable trigger itself change, similar to the the K9 NYPD version only now it will be shorter than longer. My thoughts are that maybe this will be offered only on the kahrs with a manual safety on them also. As much as I like my glock trigger I don't want that on my PM9 riding in my front pocket and no manual safety.

Enhanced trigger from maybe now 3/8" to what?? maybe 2/8". I can't picture any less. course I am just speculating

so now what are we going to be reading in the months to come??/" Heh guys I bought a kahr blankety blank, does it have the nypd trigger or the standard trigger or the enhanced trigger???

[jocko]

Yeah I noticed that as well, I wondered if anybody else would.
My CM9 and 6 and 7rd mags work like that too.(after I made some modifications);)

that gun has more rounds out of it than my PM9 does even, so that makes sense. also one cannotice this is no amateur with thegun either. he hand racked properly, so give him more credit here than the gun itself. I did notice thay have now went to a full extended magazine bottom floor plate instead of that butt ass ugly one they have been using for years, This new style might even give much better feeding for the extended magazine. It certainlyt looks 100% nicer. LCI ad manual safety are two things that impress me nadda, but for some is also a good thing.I sure wish they didn't have all that fokking wriingon the top of the slide but I was told by kahr people that this was mandatory to even be Mass complaint. Sure detract from the looks of thye nice slide. Not sure myself but if it is just printe don there and not embossed intothe metal then it is a no brainer to get off. More than likely it isn't. Alot of sh-t we see on guns today are legal things, not really what ght gun maker wants to do either. I think kahr is moving in te right direction and maybe in 2012 this magazine issue willbe behind us and the P380 willbe well on its way to greater success.

[BEARDOG]

Agreed Jocko,
IMO Kahr could stand to improve/enhance more then a few things about their guns.
But the trigger is not one of them. It is one of the best DAO triggers available and one of the biggest reasons people pick Kahr over other makes. Whatever sells guns I guess?

I want one of the new grip extensions for on my 7rd'er too... It may support the rear better,and it does look much nicer then the Roman chariot I have on mine LOL:o

[MLESa7990]

My thoughts are that maybe this will be offered only on the kahrs with a manual safety on them also.

I agree

[Thunder71]

An MK45 would have been nice to see, or at least a CM45.

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[BEARDOG]

Page 13 of the new Kahr catalog has info about the enhanced trigger.
It says It is only going to be on the guns with the external safety.
It will make the pull length change from 3/8" to 1/4"(or 2/8ths Jocko:D) and the pull weight will be the same, which is stated as 71/2 lbs.

Download brochure here. Lots of good pics of a very good looking lady too ;)
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/12KahrBrochure.pdf

[MLESa7990]

Curiosity got the best of me and I confirmed with Kahr that the 'enhanced trigger' will only be available on the models with the manual safety and will not be available for retrofit on other models. Also, as BEARDOG stated, it will only shorten the trigger pull while keeping the same weight as the others.

[Bawanna]

Page 13 of the new Kahr catalog has info about the enhanced trigger.
It says It is only going to be on the guns with the external safety.
It will make the pull length change from 3/8" to 1/4"(or 2/8ths Jocko:D) and the pull weight will be the same, which is stated as 71/2 lbs.

Download brochure here. Lots of good pics of a very good looking lady too ;)
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/12KahrBrochure.pdf

That would be 4 of them little bitty marks on the tape measure.

[TriggerMan]

Yes this is interesting let us know! When will the better triggers be available? maybe you can find out more tomorrow!
Careful, you may be creating anxiety attacks among the Kahr faithful who have been saying the Kahr triggers are the best in the world and can't be beat. Now a "Better trigger" or to use Kahr's words an "enhanced" trigger is out. What's the world coming to?

That safety looks to go up to fire (opposite from a 1911), that's a deal breaker.

[TriggerMan]

Well, considering it's only on there for the communist state of Massachusetts, I don't think it matters too much since it really isn't needed at all. lolIt's a deal breaker for 1911 style owners. Not only do my Sig 1911 and Dan Wesson CBOB go in the opposite direction, so does my P238 and my M&P 9.

My PM9 trigger pull was off my scale at >8 despite Kahr literature claiming 7.5#

[jimsea]

I like the current trigger pull. The "enhanced" version sounds interesting. The external safety is a deal breaker. The CM9 already has a passive trigger safety.

FWIW the amount of time it takes to locate and disengage an external safety, I can draw, chamber a round and put rounds on the target.

[jocko]

I like the current trigger pull. The "enhanced" version sounds interesting. The external safety is a deal breaker. The CM9 already a passive trigger safety.

FWIW the amount of time it takes to locate and disengage an external safety, I can draw, chamber a round and put rounds on the target.

REEALLY doesn't have to engage the safety if not desired. I don't see it accidently being pushed on either. It mighht be a deal break for some but in my little mind any newbie to guns will like the feature, and there are alof ot them today coming on board, thats why also kahr makes um both ways.

I am going on on a limb (been known to do that) and will say if kahr shortens the trigger from 3/8" travel which is standard now on all kahrs to 2/8" trigger travel that this safety thing might be more appreciated. I do not want a short ass trigger pull in my pocket, pocket holster or not. u still have to draw that sucker out kand that is when thingshappen that was not planned. I think the enhanced triggert will be well accepted.... just my 2 cents:third:

I ENHANCED mine about 5 years ago when I went to the wolffs 5# striker. plenty good enough for this ol timer.

[MLESa7990]

It mighht be a deal break for some but in my little mind any newbie to guns will like the feature, and there are alof ot them today coming on board, thats why also kahr makes um both ways.



Actually, Kahr makes the models with the safety specifically to be compliant for sale in Massachusetts. If MA didn't require it they wouldn't bother with them.

I do agree with you that newer shooters might like the feature though.

[muggsy]

I think that it's interesting to note the following towards the end of this Kahr video where he shoots the new PM9:

1) He slingshots the slide to load a round into the chamber

2) The empty mag falls free when he hits the magazine release to reload

As it should be.

[muggsy]

Actually, Kahr makes the models with the safety specifically to be compliant for sale in Massachusetts. If MA didn't require it they wouldn't bother with them.

I do agree with you that newer shooters might like the feature though.

Another example of too much government interference in our lives. :)

[jocko]

maybe, just maybe, just fokkin maybe kahr is getting some of this piuddly sh-t straightened out. One has to admit, a newbie has not a clue realoly of racking a slide, so kahrs notation in their manual is for the newbie to go with from the beginning and in time as we all have learned, we end up hand racking with ease. The gun and shooter do mate up over time and one learns the quirks of his make of gun real fast. slow hand rack a kahr and ur normally going to get an issue, do it right and all is well . not the fault of the gun IMO nor of the shooter, just a learning process as with alot of thngs.

the magazine thing, eats on some owners and for some, no big deal (I being one of them)

[jocko]

Another example of too much government interference in our lives. :)

to fokkin many ambulance chasers:31:

[Bawanna]

I just love the way Jocko says 2/8's.

[Tinman507]

I'd be proud to be one of the 2/8'ers

[jimsea]

I just love the way Jocko says 2/8's.

lol. I'm going to try his 25/5 # trigger spring tonight. :D

[rjt123]

It's a deal breaker for 1911 style owners. Not only do my Sig 1911 and Dan Wesson CBOB go in the opposite direction, so does my P238 and my M&P 9.


Huh. Did Sig make a change on the P238 at some time? The one I bought a couple of months ago has a 1911-style thumb safety...UP is safe, DOWN to fire.

[TriggerMan]

Huh. Did Sig make a change on the P238 at some time? The one I bought a couple of months ago has a 1911-style thumb safety...UP is safe, DOWN to fire.The Kahr goes OPPOSITE all the guns I own and listed, including the Sig P238, which goes down to fire just like all 1911s.

[O'Dell]

I think that it's interesting to note the following towards the end of this Kahr video where he shoots the new PM9:

1) He slingshots the slide to load a round into the chamber

2) The empty mag falls free when he hits the magazine release to reload

Not unusual to me. I've always hand racked all my Kahrs on the first round and my mags fall free, not that I particularly care.

[O'Dell]

An MK45 would have been nice to see, or at least a CM45.

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I agree. I would buy either one of them.

[O'Dell]

I just love the way Jocko says 2/8's.

I figured he'd go with 4/16ths or 8/32nds.

[O'Dell]

IMHO a thumb safety is needed only on a 1911 style pistol. As it is done on the KAHR it is NOT my cup of tea and I would NEVER buy one ever. But for those who feel the need/require a safety on a KAHR to carry it properly then more power to ya.

That would be me. I always want a manual safety, but they haven't been available for my Kahrs, SIGs, or LCP. I do wish they worked like my 1911's and HKs though. They're backwards like my S&Ws.

[jocko]

opr 16/64th

[O'Dell]

opr 16/64th

I had to stop somewhere. :)

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[muggsy]

I just love the way Jocko says 2/8's.

Bawanna, you can kid Jocko all you want, but I understand him completely. Hey, wait a minute, what does that say about me? :)

[johnh]

Got back from the show late last night. I worked media day and was at the Kahr booth most of yesterday. I did not want to stay longer due to my real job being a little crazy right now. We brought three new items to the range: the PM9 with enhanced trigger (Mass. model), the CM40, and the Magnumlite .22 rifle with the newly designed polymer stock. Kahr also has the new Sage chasis for the M1 Carbine at the booth. This allows use of an AR collapsing stock, and provides plenty of rail space for various accessories. They also have a pistol version--sort of the old Iver Johnson Enforcer modernized.

Sorry I was not there longer in case I missed any of you. I may be at NRA in St. Louis in case any of you are headed that way. It is a short drive for me and at this point my schedule looks open that weekend. :D

[TucsonMTB]

Hey John! We are all a little jealous, or at least I am. ;)

Still, probably in part due to your good efforts, the ink stained wretches of the blog-o-sphere have had good coverage.

http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/CM40%20slide.jpg

Of particular interest to me was this shot of the CM40 slide field stripped and showing components that look just like those of my PM40.

Yes, I know the barrel rifling is different. ;)

[MLESa7990]

Isn't that because they are the same?

[TucsonMTB]

Isn't that because they are the same?
Yes. With the exception of the type of barrel rifling, and the machining detail on the outside of the slide (including a staked front sight), the two pistols themselves are identical.

Although the PM40 includes an additional magazine as well. Still, seeing is believing. You can even count the number of coils in outer recoil spring. ;)

[Thunder71]

You mean CM40.

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[TucsonMTB]

You mean CM40.
Typo corrected . . . :o

[Thunder71]

Whew, I had to look twice then realized what you meant. I was a little confused how a PM40 could be so much like a PM40. :)

[TucsonMTB]

Whew, I had to look twice then realized what you meant. I was a little confused how a PM40 could be so much like a PM40. :)
Sorry about that! I need to post a lot more slowly to allow my brain to keep up with my fingers. I'm starting to understand the genesis of "Age Discrimination" in the market place. Sadly, there appears to be some basis on fact in my case. :o

[jocko]

Typo corrected . . . :o

correcting typo's blasphemy:israel:

[wyntrout]

I know that you consider it like the spoken word... once posted, it's like a spoken word and can't be corrected.

I just keep editing until I get it write.

Wynn:D

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