SA XDS Single Stack .45ACP Micro

[Thunder71]

Seems as though Springfield Armory is releasing a new XD line, the single stack XDs.

From what I read (viewed), the first is a 6 shot XDs 45.

Can't wait for the pics to start rolling in, I love my XDm and this may be my next purchase.

[cesande]

Link please... or where you heard about it.
I can't find anything on it

[Thunder71]

Windy YouTube video, shows the shirt... no gun pics have evolved as of yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrWEXQnJCxU&feature=player_embedded

[cesande]

Nice find...
Can't wait for the post shot show news for both Springfield and Kahr
Thanks

[Thunder71]

From a thread at XDTalk: (He supposedly has images uploading now)


5 rounds in the magazine plus one in the chamber.
At it's thickest point (take down lever) it is right at 1 inch.
The sights are different (not interchangeable with current XD or XDm's)
It disassembles the exact same way as a classic XD (pull the trigger)
But to make it safer you have to remove the magazine to rotate the lever.
Interchangeable back straps
Fiber optic front sight
No price yet
Shipping in March
Supper light weight
Still uses 6 o clock sight picture
Working on 9mm and 40 (no date)
Rob Leatheam "it's a game changer" "unbelievable" "I am stunned"
Still uses grip safety and loaded chamber indicator
EXTERNAL EXTRACTOR
Accurate pistol

[Thunder71]

New video showing the gun a bit and firing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4p1HbwKGzw&feature=youtu.be

[BEARDOG]

This is a GREAT move for Springfield!
I was/am a serious XDM fan after buying my XDM 40 4.5" when they first came out. I was wishing for a single stack XDM for years now and they just kept bringing out stuff I didn't think would be a good carry gun...
Fast forward and two Kahrs and a G26 later for me, they finally bring one out...I will be interested in the exact specs and comparisons to my Kahrs if they can equal or better them, Springfield won't be able to make enough of these things!

Another video shows it a little better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC2bG-wLbVk&feature=player_embedded

[cesande]

Got the 'wants' for a XDs9 but still wonder if CM9 will be a better suited CCW trigger ??

Seriously doubt that they will do 380 so p380 indeed may have to be next one while I wait and see how this works out for them...

[Thunder71]

I agree, it's already on my buy list. Love my compact XDM but it's too big for carry.

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[cesande]

Game on Kahr.... what you got for show announcements !

:popcorn:

[Popeye]

The fact that they kept the grip safety doesn't hurt either. Nice looking gun. They should do very well with that pistol. Can't wait to get all the facts and demensions on it. Going to be interesting to see if and when they'll come out with the XD9-s.

[Thunder71]

My PM9 shares almost every measurement but is shorter in length, this gun will be mine...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/joedeke/viewer.png

[JFootin]

My PM9 shares almost every measurement but is shorter in length, this gun will be mine...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/joedeke/viewer.png

Dang, that's an interesting gun! I wonder, though, how it will compare in feel, trigger and recoil with the PM45, and the CM45 soon to come?

[Thunder71]

In my experience with the XDm series it will feel great, I love the grip safety and trigger safety, not to mention ambidextrous mag release for a carry gun.

I'll have a pre-order in as soon as I see it available... I'd rather have the 9mm version, but I'll take a .45

[JFootin]

My PM9 shares almost every measurement but is shorter in length, this gun will be mine...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m272/joedeke/viewer.png

Thunder, where did you find this? Google gives me nothing, and the SA website gives me nothing.

[Thunder71]

XDTalk (my other home).

[Chogers]

All I can say is WOW! A .45 the size of a PM9? Dang! I love my XD40 tactical. Now if only Glock would jump on the single stack bandwagon...Hey Glock....what is taking you so long anyways? Still cant even get the Glock .380 in the States! Whats up with that? :bump2::bump2:

[JFootin]

XDTalk (my other home).

Where did they get it? It looks like from a web page, but searches bring up nothing.

[Thunder71]

Maybe a photo taken of an ad at Shot Show where all this info is coming from?

Another video from Shot Show, it's real - note the XDs banner in the background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19UDAIAhI4&feature=player_embedded#!

[JFootin]

Well, I looked at 3 threads on XDtalk and couldn't find it, but I saved your pic and zoomed in.....29 oz? Why? Is that a mistake? How can a polymer framed gun the same size as a PM9 weigh that much? What a brick!

[O'Dell]

They didn't mention the weight, but I didn't see anything that makes me want to sell the CW45. I had one of the original XD compact 45's. It wasn't a bad gun, but didn't do much for me either. I traded it on a Kimber UC II.

[TucsonMTB]

They didn't mention the weight, but I didn't see anything that makes me want to sell the CW45. I had one of the original XD compact 45's. It wasn't a bad gun, but didn't do much for me either. I traded it on a Kimber UC II.
The weight appears to be 29 ounces. It's listed in the single line below the drawing.

That makes it about the same weight as your Kimber Ultra Carry II, which is probably the intended competition.

I agree . . . PASS.

[tv_racin_fan]

Might be an all up weight eh?

[JFootin]

Might be an all up weight eh?

Well if, by all up weight, you mean with an empty mag, it still doesn't make sense. The PM45 is 19.2 oz with an empty mag, and it is slightly larger. I just don't understand how they can get that much weight into a polymer gun that size!

BTW, here is GunsAmerica's writeup: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xds (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xds/). I can see some of the extra weight: the entire frame is thicker and more sunstantial looking than a PM45. But I guess a lot of that extra weight has to be in the slide. Definately not a pocket gun, despite it's size.

WTH, maybe the extra weight will help tame recoil. But we know that the PM45 is pretty tame at 2/3 the weight, so it will have to be really tame.

Does anyone know where it will be priced? If substantially less, maybe it will do OK against the PM45. But when the CM45 arrives, it will face a real challenge. Of course, the Springfield Armory and XD names will help it, too.

I wonder how dependable it will be? The XDs have a good reputation, so if this one shows 100% reliability, it could be a slam dunk.

Nice looking gun. A light and/or laser can be mounted on the accessory rail.

[Ressom]

Very nice! I've been waiting on a CM45(no official word yet) and therefore thinking of a PM45 instead... but I may have to jump on this XD-S.

[Thunder71]

The XDM compact is what, 27oz? This has to be a typo as the XDS is thinnder, shorter and a single stack version of it.

Even my PM9 isn't a pocket gun (I just don't like pocket carry), so this will go straight to Garrett Industries for a Silent Thunder STX fitting.

[Popeye]

Little more info on the XDs.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xds/

[JFootin]

The XDM compact is what, 27oz? This has to be a typo as the XDS is thinnder, shorter and a single stack version of it.

Even my PM9 isn't a pocket gun (I just don't like pocket carry), so this will go straight to Garrett Industries for a Silent Thunder STX fitting.

Yeah, we need some clarification from SA about the weight. Maybe their philosophy about making a subcompact gun that will cycle reliably is a very heavy slide?

[Longitude Zero]

From the pics the slide is the EXACT same width on the single stack as the double and why should it be any different? SA slides to to be on the heavy side. Eventhough the frame is narrower to be a single stack that is no reason for SA to narrow/lighten the slide.

To my eyes the slide looks to be the same width as my XD-Tactical. As to reliability from my LEO F/A Trainer expierence I hope it is in line with the original XD's and not the XDm's

[Popeye]

Love the XD pistols with there 1911 grip angle and grip safety but to me they always did feel a bit slide heavy. 29ozs does seem a bit heavy but like you say maybe they had to add some weight to calm the beast down a little. Things could get real interesting if they bring that gun to the table in a 9mm and 40 cal.

[JFootin]

I think we just need Kahr to put a tactical rail on the CM45 and forget about the XD!

[Longitude Zero]

I think we just need Kahr to put a tactical rail on the CM45 and forget about the XD!

I cannot disagree but once you do mount something on that rail you lose the primary reason to go to a Kahr and that is exellent concealability. WMLS do not aid in concealability at all.

[kayl]

Oh my.

MUST BUY! :)

I might even have to sell the first gun I ever bought (XDSC .40) to get it! :-D

[cesande]

Good deal.....
Made in Croatia so I assume that means there will be no 380 due to the import points system.

http://xdspistol.com/

[kayl]

Good deal.....
Made in Croatia so I assume that means there will be no 380 due to the import points system.

http://xdspistol.com/

Not to be a ****, but why would you want one in .380? :)

[cesande]

No problem at all.

pocket carry....
just can't get the PM9 to disappear like the P380 does.
Just bought a P380 and it is in transit...
Validating I guess...

[kayl]

No problem at all.

pocket carry....
just can't get the PM9 to disappear like the P380 does.
Just bought a P380 and it is in transit...
Validating I guess...

Lol
I hear you- I do pocket carry the CM9, but much prefer the 442 in the pocket because of how well it disappears

[JFootin]

I cannot disagree but once you do mount something on that rail you lose the primary reason to go to a Kahr and that is exellent concealability. WMLS do not aid in concealability at all.

A good IWB holster made to accommodate the light/laser solves that problem, and I know some guys who can do just what you need in leather or kydex.

Actually, the XDS has some things going for it: nice 3 dot sights with fiber optic up front, and it looks rugged. Testers are already remarking on the manageable recoil and the accuracy of the pistol. I am going to check one out when I can examine it at a LGS.

[340pd]

This new gun is 3 oz heavier than my Kimber Ultra Carry CDP II. Plus the Kimber carry's s two more rounds. Neither is a pocket gun. I think I will stick with my full size XDm .45 to guard the homestead.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/UltraCarryCDPII.jpg

[Thunder71]

Kimber's 1911 styled hammer and safety further reduce it's usefulness as a pocket gun, although the single action cocked and locked mode would be great. I'm guessing that the Kimber is also almost double the cost (if I'm right in thinking the XDs will be around $550-$600 at launch time).

I'm sure the XDs is pocket-able, not sure I'd personally want to carry it in a pocket though since I don't even like carrying my PM9 in a pocket. Anything larger than an LCP is too big for pocket carry in my opinion.

I've been trying to figure out what market Springfield is targeting with this new release and I'm almost certain it's the Ruger LC9 and Beretta Nano, Kahr still has the trophy for the smallest reliable handgun in my opinion.

If it shoots as well as my XDm it'll blow the Nano and LC9 out of the water, but at a slightly higher cost (my guess).

[Longitude Zero]

Kahr still has the trophy for the smallest reliable handgun in my opinion.

What you said.

[Thunder71]

http://xdspistol.com/

[Longitude Zero]

I definitely want to get one in my hands and put rounds downrange with it.

[JFootin]

I have a question for everyone. Can you see the mistake in this picture?

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/SAXDS-NoticeablyUnnoticeable.jpg

[Longitude Zero]

Spelling error. No "e" between the "c" and the "a".

[Thunder71]

No, I don't see a spelling error or any error at all actually.

[340pd]

Just for kicks I set my PM9 on top of my Kimber Ultra CDP II. I tried to line up the top of the slides and get the grips in lined up as best I could. Basically the size difference was the grip length and the beavertail on the Kimber. The Kimber has a width if 1.25 inches. I am always surprised when I holster my Kimber. It is really a very concealable firearm. Please understand I am not knocking the XDs. I love their platform for a number of reasons but at 29 oz. this thing looks like a handful.

[JFootin]

Spelling error. No "e" between the "c" and the "a".

No. That word is spelled correctly.

[mightymouse]

No. That word is spelled correctly.
UNNOTICEABLE

do I wn soemthing?

[Thunder71]

No, that's spelled right too.

[TucsonMTB]

This new gun is 3 oz heavier than my Kimber Ultra Carry CDP II. Plus the Kimber carry's s two more rounds. Neither is a pocket gun. I think I will stick with my full size XDm .45 to guard the homestead.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/UltraCarryCDPII.jpg
And . . . your CDP is much prettier! That counts in my book. ;)

[Ressom]

I've been thinking about his gun all day. You guys need to come up with some more stuff to quell my enthusiasm. :w00t:

For me, I don't think weight will be an issue. I don't pocket carry... only IWB & OWB. But it could be a big negative to some.

What else?!?.. does Springfield employ poor Croatian children for 5 Kuna an hour to assemble these guns? :D


I've watch some videos and one mentions a March release date. I've marked my calendar.

[Thunder71]

You and me both, as soon as I see it at Buds or another reputable retailer I'm pre ordering unless I hear something between now and then that makes me pause.

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[JFootin]

UNNOTICEABLE

do I wn soemthing?

You are correct, sir! Here is your trophy! :third:


No, that's spelled right too.

But it is spelled wrong on Springfield's website.

[Longitude Zero]

No. That word is spelled correctly.

Oh. Thats what I meant. Next time I will be more descriptive so it is crystal clear.

[TucsonMTB]

Great! Now that we have the word games out of the way . . . is there any interesting news from the Shot show? :confused:

[JFootin]

Oh. Thats what I meant. Next time I will be more descriptive so it is crystal clear.

Oh. You win, too! :third:

[JFootin]

It has an ambidextrous mag release. Yea! :D

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/specs-ul.jpg

[Popeye]

Having owned an XD before and knowing what a fine pistol they are, I can't wait to see and hold one in my hands. Look at the fit and finish of that pistol from the rear and how the slide and frame match up. Look at how well the back strap and mag plate fit. Ambi mag release. Great ergos. Assembled by Croation children ? I think not. Look at some of our other pistols from the rear and compare. I'm glad to see they rounded off the trigger guard also. If S/A follows with what they have done in the past with there new models the 9mm and 40 cal. will not be far behind. If S/A puts out a XDs 9mm about the size of a Walther pps or smaller PM9 things are going to get mighty interesting in the single stack 9mm market. I know XD and Glock fanboys have been wanting a single stack 9mm and 40 cal. for a long time but were not ready to jump on the Kahr band wagon. I don't know why not I certainly have no complaints with the PM9. If they do come out with a XDs 9mm my Glock 26 might be in search of a new owner.;)

[JFootin]

I am glad to see this. I owned one back in my 20s (the 70s), and wish I hadn't parted with it.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/colt-mustang-pocketlite-and-combat-model/

[Popeye]

Looks like a pretty neat little .380. and glad to see them bring the Mustang back for those wanting such a pistol. I wish them luck. Already having a small .380 that is not much fun to shoot I'm really not interested in anything smaller in caliber and size than the PM9. Those full size look interesting though. :D Thanks for the link.

[kahrcrazy13]

nice ill have to rent one at range when they come in i rented the regular 45acp xdm but i liked the kahr tp 45 acp instead just feelt more acurate to me the xdm was almost 800 which i picked up my new tp for 600 out the door to me the tp45 is so much better! i hope kahr comes out with a new line of pistols looking to buy my bro a kahr for his bday don't know wich model yet but something compact in a 45 acp

[Doc Holliday]

I understand XD is trying to keep their manufacturing costs down:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6723037329_8320a15359.jpg

[Bill K]

Hi,

Just found this through another gun forum... http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xds/

29 ounces empty seems rather heavy to me.

Have these guys never hear of Kahr?

http://photos.gunsamerica.com/d/6920-2/actualsize.jpg

http://photos.gunsamerica.com/d/6917-2/actualsize-top.jpg

[JFootin]

A lot of people agree with you on this thread. To others, it doesn't matter. I'll bet it is built tough as a Mack truck.

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10496

Another new gun that interests me is this one. 9mm, but much lighter and smaller.

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10533

[kayl]

I understand XD is trying to keep their manufacturing costs down:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6723037329_8320a15359.jpg

:confused::rolleyes:

[Bill K]

As usual I'm late to the dance.

The Sig looks really nice but the 1911 type action and manual of arms has never appealed to me for my SD carry.

[johnh]

I handled this a bit at their booth. First, let me make it clear that I like XDs well enough. I used to run XDTalk when Crossbreed owned it, and I have plenty of trigger time behind their guns.

Having said that, I am not impressed by this new pistol. The issue to me is the truncated grip. It is just not as comfortable as the M series XDs. It reminds me a lot of the Walther PPS. The PM45 lets you get pretty much a full grip on the gun--certainly more than say a PM9 without the extended mag. I am sure the XD will probably shoot well, but I have never liked the outcome of taking a full size pistol, then just chopping off part of the grip and muzzle. At least they made it single stacked so it gains some flatness.

[TriggerMan]

I am glad to see this. I owned one back in my 20s (the 70s), and wish I hadn't parted with it.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/colt-mustang-pocketlite-and-combat-model/How (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/colt-mustang-pocketlite-and-combat-model/[/QUOTE]How) is it priced vs. the Sig P238 ?

[Ressom]

.... I am sure the XD will probably shoot well, but I have never liked the outcome of taking a full size pistol, then just chopping off part of the grip and muzzle. At least they made it single stacked so it gains some flatness.

I believe that I heard that the XDs was designed and built from the gound up. So no chop job. :) As evidence of this, parts are not interchangeable with the XD, XDm.

[johnh]

I am sure that is true mechanically, but it feels like a chopped version of a larger pistol. I am comparing it to the PM45 specifically. You can get a full grip on a PM45--at least I can.

[JFootin]

I am sure that is true mechanically, but it feels like a chopped version of a larger pistol. I am comparing it to the PM45 specifically. You can get a full grip on a PM45--at least I can.

Well, John, the whole point of the XDS is to create a new SUBcompact 45 that is about as small and thin as the current crop of 9/40 handguns. It was designed from the ground up to break new ground there. Now the fact that it weighs about as much as a lead brick is another matter. :001_huh:

For me, the two finger grip is perfect because my little finger stays half closed and won't straiten. That is one of the main reasons that I love my CM9, because I can let that finger curl up underneath the magazine and forget all about it.

Maybe the extra weight makes the XDS more controllable shooting those big fat bullets with the two finger grip. The recoil seemed pretty light on the videos. The gun looks like an engineering tour de force. Thunder is already pierced by Cupid's gun love arrow, and I'm kinda smitten, myself! :tongue:

[gb6491]

Well crap, it looks like they must have hired a Ruger engineer to design that loaded chamber indicator. I didn't mind the smaller one used on the XD/XDM, but I'm not liking this one. I'm on the list for an XDS at my local shop, but as I have a completely reliable CW45 and Officer's ACP, I can let aesthetics be a deciding factor in whether I purchase it or not. The huge LCI just dropped the odds of that happening to less than even money. YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

Well crap, it looks like they must have hired a Ruger engineer to design that loaded chamber indicator. I didn't mind the smaller one used on the XD/XDM, but I'm not liking this one. I'm on the list for an XDS at my local shop, but as I have a completely reliable CW45 and Officer's ACP, I can let aesthetics be a deciding factor in whether I purchase it or not. The huge LCI just dropped the odds of that happening to less than even money. YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

Well Greg, functionally, what does it matter? If it were to interfere with the sight picture, that would be a problem. But handling the gun in the dark, I'll bet it will give a sure indication of whether you have one in the chamber or not. In fact, the way it is located, you could lay your weak hand on the slide as if to wrack it and your palm would tell you instantly that it is already loaded. What about it is so serious in your mind that it would affect your purchase decision?
Regards,
JF

[gb6491]

Well Greg, functionally, what does it matter? If it were to interfere with the sight picture, that would be a problem. But handling the gun in the dark, I'll bet it will give a sure indication of whether you have one in the chamber or not. In fact, the way it is located, you could lay your weak hand on the slide as if to wrack it and your palm would tell you instantly that it is already loaded. What about it is so serious in your mind that it would affect your purchase decision?
Regards,
JF
JF,
I've some thoughts about how a larger milled recess could become a problem area, but functionally, it probably doesn't matter at all.
I was addressing the aesthetics (as I see it) of the LCI. I just don't like the size/look of it. Sorry, if I didn't make that clear in my previous post. This is probably a moot point to many others, but as I have similarly sized, reliable, and accurate .45 ACP pistols I see no need to discount "form over function" when determining whether or not I buy this pistol. Folks in other circumstances, probably feel differently.
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

JF,
I've some thoughts about how a larger milled recess could become a problem area, but functionally, it probably doesn't matter at all.
I was addressing the aesthetics (as I see it) of the LCI. I just don't like the size/look of it. Sorry, if I didn't make that clear in my previous post. This is probably a moot point to many others, but as I have similarly sized, reliable, and accurate .45 ACP pistols I see no need to discount "form over function" when determining whether or not I buy this pistol. Folks in other circumstances, probably feel differently.
Regards,
Greg

Thanks! :)

[Ressom]

Not a fan of the LCI either, but I could probably live with it.

I'm not really a fan of the grip safety either. I've been watching some Hickock45 videos where he is shooting XDm's. It looks like the slide cannot be racked without holding the grip safety. This 'feature' could make locking the slide back a little ackward. Although while shooting I'm sure it isn't a problem.

[JFootin]

I'm not really a fan of the grip safety either. I've been watching some Hickock45 videos where he is shooting XDm's. It looks like the slide cannot be racked without holding the grip safety. This 'feature' could make locking the slide back a little ackward. Although while shooting I'm sure it isn't a problem.

H'mm, I hadn't thought about that. Need to get one in hand at a LGS and check that out. I normally maintain a grip on the gun that would keep it depressed, anyway. But if this is true, it is kind of a clumsy implimentation of a grip safety, isn't it? Is this true of 1911s?

Thunder, I guess you could still do the one handed racking with your thumb depressing the grip safety.

[Thunder71]

Yep, it works great!

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[Ressom]

You can rack the slide of a 1911 without having the grip safety engaged.

Here is an explanation from xdtalk regarding the grip safety (http://www.***********/forums/xd-m-discussion-room-xd-m/141024-xdm-grip-safety-slide-lock.html):


The grip safety works by blocking the sear from going down to release the striker and allow enough room for the slide to move back. When the gun is fired the sear goes down which allows the slide to move back (because the sear is out of the slides way). If you pull the slide back without depressing the grip safety the sear can't move down to allow the slide to move back.

[Ressom]

BTW, when someone says a gun has been chopped I think of something like a glock 17 being cut down at the muzzle end and the grip end to make a G19 or 26. All internals and the gun widths are the same. As demonstrated in this sig ad:
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sig-p224-ad.jpg

I don't think that is the case at all with the XD-s.

[johnh]

Chopped or not, it had the ergos of a PPS when I handled it. Not comfortable to me at all. YMMV of course.

[Russ]

Springfield at 29 oz is not a CCW. Forget pocket carry and if carried in the waist band why not a double stack Glock 26 twice the rounds and loaded about the same weight?

I will take 13 rounds of 9mm over six 45 rounds anyday.


Russ

[tv_racin_fan]

Why not the Glock 26? You answered that one yourself IT IS DOUBLE STACKED.

I'll take my K9 over that Glock EVERYDAY.