Reintroduction of the Kahr PM9 - New Trigger

[fleabite]

Does anyone know if the redesigned trigger assembly on the redesigned PM9 can be retrofitted on the older PM's?

http://www.guns.com/shot-show-las-vegas-2012-new-guns.html

This is what I saw on guns.com.

"What’s different about the PM9 that it deserves a spotlight? After numerous requests to do so, Kahr Arms enhanced the trigger. It’s still a double-action only trigger, but it’s now set for seven to 7.5 pounds and 30 percent of trigger travel has been removed.

Also, because of the shortened trigger, they added a manual safety. Granted you may say, “Hey that seems counterintuitive for a pocket gun.” Well, the safety is incredibly small, so there’s really no chance of it snagging and hey the trigger has been shortened, so it makes sense."

[jocko]

understand they gotta make changes to keep us buying. ur standard kahr PM9 trigger and all kahrs today has the 3/8" trigger travel which is .375" now a 30% reduction n travel is now down to .262" travel. u think ur gonna know that difference???? The trigger poundage on kahr to my knowledge has always been around 7#, but that is easily corrected with the installation of the 5# striker spring from wolffs which will fall right in these new "enhanced" version guns also. Not sure kahr reinvented the wheel here with this "enhanced" trigger but is is somethibng to talk about.

I do not know for sure if this enhanced trigger is going to be stock on the non safety mounted kahrs either. They have not stated that to my knowledge. Not sure I would want to send my PM9 back to gain .113 inch less travel. enhanced certainly in this case if not much at all. Now some of these enhanced pills one takes for ED dysfuntion is a whole new ball game!!!

Justmy two cents from a sick ol man!!!

[fleabite]

Yeah, probably wouldn't notice too much difference, but would still love to shoot the redesigned pm9 and my older one side by side.

[jocko]

really there is no difference, just my pet peeve, as to why they wanted to extend the slide/barrel .020" longer which now encounters a longer recoil assembly, 3 more attitonal parts that I just wondered why they did it, certainly they ainb't gonna say more accuracy or any of the bull sh-t. Makes the gun longer, heavier, but not muc either but I just say WHY?

again my pet peeve, most don't agree with me..

[CJB]

the 3/8" trigger travel which is .375" now a 30% reduction n travel is now down to .262" travel. u think ur gonna know that difference????

I like the present trigger - because its rather long, but yup, heck yes the difference will be noticeable. The hand and fingers work that way.

Look at it another way - I can tell the difference between frets on a guitar that are .042, .047 and .052 respectively. I dont know of any guitar players, even relative newbies that cannot discern that the frets are different on otherwise identical custom necks. Thats just five one thousandths. The hand and fingers work that way - by design of their Creator no doubt. The finger/hand feedback mechanism in our body is pretty amazing.

[Bill K]

A thumb safety on a SD carry handgun is a show stopper for me. I understand that many, perhaps even most, have no issue with the thumb safety.

[jocko]

I like the present trigger - because its rather long, but yup, heck yes the difference will be noticeable. The hand and fingers work that way.

Look at it another way - I can tell the difference between frets on a guitar that are .042, .047 and .052 respectively. I dont know of any guitar players, even relative newbies that cannot discern that the frets are different on otherwise identical custom necks. Thats just five one thousandths. The hand and fingers work that way - by design of their Creator no doubt. The finger/hand feedback mechanism in our body is pretty amazing.

be right but we ain't talking about a guitar either. not worth arguing about. I was just stating the actual difference, one can make out of it what ever he wants. no doubts there is a difference or they would not have "enhanced" it.

[muggsy]

Glad I bought my CM9 when I did. I like it just the way it is. If the safety on the new PM9 didn't work just opposite of a 1911 I could probably live with it.

[jocko]

hell, just never use the safety. I could live with it,course i DON'T CARRY ANY 1911'S THAT need to be carried cocked and locked , so no confusion for me, other than normal confustion. I wonder how many who have negative views of this safety have actually had the gun in their hands to really comment pro- or con.

[JimBianchi]

I thought that Kahr only put the safety on Massachusetts guns (As required by their laws)?

Please tell me they didn't f-up the whole PM9 line?

[JFootin]

The enhanced trigger will only go on guns with the manual safety, but you don't have to live in MA to order one. They are not doing that to all of them.

Now, I don't know what they are going to do about people wanting to order the trigger for their non manual safety pistols. Maybe just not make it available as an orderable part or assembly.

[Jeff00042]

"They are not doing that to all of them". I hope not. I'm quite happy with the current trigger and certainly hope they don't put the manual safety on all PM guns.

[CJB]

Hey Jocko... its not an argument... just saying my mind thats all.

And, while I don't foresee buying another Kahr .. least not as far as my headlights lite up the road of life... I'd still like to be able to NOT have the new "feature".

Why they couldn't do something useful, like offer factory Mag-Na-Port is beyond me.

[Jeff00042]

I just visited the Kahr website. The models with the enhanced trigger system also include a loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect. These are listed separately from the standard PM models.

[jocko]

naw they didn';t fokk up the whole line----YET????

[KMA]

I thought that Kahr only put the safety on Massachusetts guns (As required by their laws)?

Please tell me they didn't f-up the whole PM9 line?

California requires it too. I cannot think of other states right now that have the same requirement. I truly hope you are wrong and they did not mess up the whole PM9 line, because that would be a shame. I guess it might be cheaper for them to only make one model of PM9 than to make two.

[DMR]

The enhanced trigger will only go on guns with the manual safety, but you don't have to live in MA to order one. They are not doing that to all of them.

Now, I don't know what they are going to do about people wanting to order the trigger for their non manual safety pistols. Maybe just not make it available as an orderable part or assembly.

You can order the parts for the new PMs on the Kahr page. Would the PM parts work in a T-9? I may just order them and compare them.

[MLESa7990]

The 'enhanced' trigger is only available on the new models with manual safety and cannot be retrofitted to other models. That is what I was told by a Kahr rep.

[JFootin]

The 'enhanced' trigger is only available on the new models with manual safety and cannot be retrofitted to other models. That is what I was told by a Kahr rep.

I wonder if they are just blowing smoke or if they did something in the design that makes it only work with the safety. (I don't know how they could do that? :confused:)

Frankly, though, I don't think my trigger can be improved upon. I put the 5 lb striker spring in and it is just incredibly smooth. But it is still very safe handling the gun. That long throw and a trigger pull weight that is 5 times the weight of the gun make it the perfect design for a self defense gun with no safety, IMO.

[joshh]

i live in ma (minutes from the kahr factory) and carry the safety model pm9 daily. when i bought it i figured i would carry it with the safety off because i have never carried with a safety switch. that said, i use the safety & have practiced enough that i dont feel it hinders or slows my draw time at all. i like this pistol and am more comfortable carrying it than any other i have tried.
in ma pistols only require a safety system, not a switch. i am told, kahr opted for the switch to keep that trigger pull and to make it more "acceptable" for stricter states.

[jocko]

I wonder if they are just blowing smoke or if they did something in the design that makes it only work with the safety. (I don't know how they could do that? :confused:)

Frankly, though, I don't think my trigger can be improved upon. I put the 5 lb striker spring in and it is just incredibly smooth. But it is still very safe handling the gun. That long throw and a trigger pull weight that is 5 times the weight of the gun make it the perfect design for a self defense gun with no safety, IMO.

I would think not, but they might have felt if were gonna shorten that trigger pull a tad, then it willbe on the guns with the external safety on them. I would bet a dollar to a donut that the upper slide is exactly the same as all PM9 kahrs are, not a p[art different and more than likely the only change is the trigger bar and the pinion holes driledd into it. very similar to the deisgn of the nypd K9 triggers system. Just that IMO kahr is not going to retrofit any kahr with this shorter stroke trigger. I dont think it is a design that must have a safety other than that is what kahrs decided that is the only way they will offer it.

[Chogers]

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal. :mad:

[jocko]

did he say other than no as to why beng ur PM9 has the external safety etc. could possably be a liability thing also but I have no clue as to why.

I understand ur feelings but u bought the gun knowing it had the elite trigger in it and up until this enhanced thrigger was introduced, you had to be well pleased with it. I believe the difference is 1/8" less trigger travel, nothing more.

Might just be me but not sure I would want to pay postage both ways plus the additional cost of parts and labor, which I bet when all said and done could come to every bit of 175$ for 1/8" less travel:israel:

[MLESa7990]

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal. :mad:


The PM9193 has the same trigger as any other Kahr model. I have one myself. They can get away with it because of the external safety. If not for the safety the trigger pull would have to be 10+ pounds

[jocko]

I think u miossed this fells's point. he has the PM9 external safety model, prior to the new intro of the same gun only now with the enhancd trigger in it, which is 1/8" shorter. he was wanting to get that enhanced trigger in his external safety PM9 that he bought 6 months earlier.. I think he knows he has the elitie trigger system in his PM9 external safety model--I think..

[MLESa7990]

"Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me."


The way I read that is he thought his didn't have the elite trigger, which it does. The new enhanced trigger isn't called the elite trigger as far as I know.

[jocko]

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal. :mad:

strighten us out hejre, do u mean elite or enhanced trigger. U have the elite in the gun now:israel:

[Chogers]

strighten us out hejre, do u mean elite or enhanced trigger. U have the elite in the gun now:israel:

Sorry if I caused all this madness fellas! Now I think you guys have me confused. I called Kahr about getting the new enhanced trigger put on mine. I figured it would be an easy thing to do since my PM9 is already fitted with a thumb safety. There must be more to it since Jay said they cant do it. And your right all Kahr triggers are the same at the moment until Kahr just decided to shake it up a bit 6 months after I bought mine brand new!

[jocko]

Sorry if I caused all this madness fellas! Now I think you guys have me confused. I called Kahr about getting the new enhanced trigger put on mine. I figured it would be an easy thing to do since my PM9 is already fitted with a thumb safety. There must be more to it since Jay said they cant do it. And your right all Kahr triggers are the same at the moment until Kahr just decided to shake it up a bit 6 months after I bought mine brand new!

u will be able to retrofit your manual safgety PM9.

I got this from Kahr towards your comment to this forum.

That model is so new I am unsure
if the frame is different or not. I have yet to even have my hands on one.
Also, I believe the company (at least for the forseeable future) is not
retrofitting the trigger to any existing weapons. I hope this information
helps some.


IMO I think it will be an easy thing to do. costly as postage will eat u up and partsd and laobr to, but eventually I think they will get around to do doing it, but do't look for this to happen right away either.

[joshh]

my friend bowls with a kahr employee, ill ask him to pick away but they are pretty tight lipped over there...

[Chogers]

my friend bowls with a kahr employee, ill ask him to pick away but they are pretty tight lipped over there...

Cool Josh! See what you can find out. Have him pick away but it sounds like their lips at Kahr are just as tight as their tolerances. :D