what hollow points do your cm9"s like??

[raptorider]

at the range today shooting federal fmj,,no problems,,shot my mag full of hornady critical defense and got stove pipe after 4 rounds,,went back to fmj no problems,,I won't be carrying the critical defense anymore!!any suggestions??:popcorn:

[Bill K]

How many rounds through your gun before shooting the Hornady? Could it be that the gun still needs some break-in?

[Hognutz]

I have had good success with Winchester Ranger "T" series. I had problems with Gold Dots, sent the PM9 in and they fixed the slide stop. It shoots them good now too. I just like the Win. "T's" Better..My PM9 shot fmj like butter, but it did not jhp's until they fixed it..Mike

[raptorider]

How many rounds through your gun before shooting the Hornady? Could it be that the gun still needs some break-in?

Has around 300 rounds of fmj thru it since new,,only shot around 20 rounds of fmj before I put the hornady in..flawless with fmj since new,,only time i had a problem,,the hornady looks to "pointed"..maybe that's why,,no problems I like the winchester rangers too..

[joe d]

I like running Speer Gold Dots...It's shot everything else I've put thru it so far...

[apheod]

i've heard of the subcompacts having issues with gold dots, but i use 124gr 9mm +p gold dots in my pm9 with no problems. close to 3000 rounds of that through it so far.

[crazymailman]

I just got some Federal HST 124gr that I think will work well. Already had some +p HST that worked well.

[Jeff00042]

Hognutz: " I had problems with Gold Dots, sent the PM9 in and they fixed the slide stop." My PM9 nose dives with Gold Dots. What kind of jams were you experiencing before Kahr fixed your slide stop? Also, what did they do to the slide stop?

[apheod]

gold dots seem to be the most problematic HP ammo through the little kahrs for some reason.

my experience appears to be the exception.

gotta love h&k priced guns with hi-point quality control! yeah, i went there. guess i can't hate too hard, 2/3 of my handguns are kahrs. i just love the form factor and trigger, and i know that once you eventually back kahr customer service into a corner and force them to give you a functional kahr, it's 100% reliable.

maybe you get lucky and get a flawless kahr the first time like i did with my pm9.

don't even get me started on my k9 elite...

[340pd]

Not officially a HP, but Hornady Critical Defense feed well, and overall are probably a better load if you are likely to encounter a "animal" (two or four legged) with lots of fur or clothing on.

[Doc Holliday]

gold dots seem to be the most problematic HP ammo through the little kahrs for some reason.

my experience appears to be the exception.

...as is mine. I did the teardown and cleanup, racked the slide, made sure it had plenty of oil and it ate through Speer Gold Dot 115 gr. HP like an industrial-strength garbage disposal, no problems at all.

[dimden]

So far Hornaday Critical Defense is the only Hollow point I've never had a problem feeding in my CM9. I attribute it to the pointy shape of the bullet. Gold dots are the worst! (As far as feeding). Winchester Ranger T +P work most of the time, but I've still had some FTF. I have modified the Mag followers and done a little polishing of the feed ramp.

[KMA]

I do not have a CM9, but a PM9 and a MK9; both of them like CorBon DPX.

[raptorider]

maybe it still needs more time to break in,,it's still really tight

[KMA]

maybe it still needs more time to break in,,it's still really tight

It could be. How many rounds does it have on it? I never shoot HP during the break-in period.

[ltxi]

PM9....functionally the same gun. It didn't initially like HydraShok and it's still not totally fond of Magtech ball but after initial break-in it's eaten anything I've fed it over the last three years.

My MK9 still dislikes Magtech to the point I won't make it play with that anymore.

My K9 doesn't care....it's happy with anything.

[goose]

I ran some PMC Bronze 115g jhp after 200 rounds of fmj for break in and had no problems. It's pretty cheap too- think I paid $18 for 50. I have 2 6 round mags and have had only one FTE when my left hand got in the way of the slide. See where the slide bit me!

[eltee]

My recently aquired "old Style" pm9 has some problems with +p loads-slide not locking back on 7 round mags, ok now with standard velocity ammo since I updated the mag springs. I'm using federal 9BP, non +p. It has a narrow, rounded nose and feeds good. It is also considered an effective non +p round.

[alan1028]

KMA: the CM9 likes Corbon DPX too.

[Hognutz]

Hognutz: " I had problems with Gold Dots, sent the PM9 in and they fixed the slide stop." My PM9 nose dives with Gold Dots. What kind of jams were you experiencing before Kahr fixed your slide stop? Also, what did they do to the slide stop?

My problem was that the profile of the Gold Dot was bigger than the FMJ. It would hit the bottom of the slide stop as a round cycled up from the mag. This would make the slide lock open after a shot. Happened about once every mag, sometimes twice. They ground the profile of the stop down a bit to provide clearance. Never had a stovepipe. All my failures were from premature slide lockback.

[Jeff00042]

Thanks Hognutz.

Eltee: I've used the 9bp load for more than 30 years. I find it very reliable and accurate in all my autos. It's also reasonably priced.

[ninemm]

I just got some Federal HST 124gr that I think will work well. Already had some +p HST that worked well.

crazymailman, are you LE? I thought that the Federal HST was law enforcement only now. If you're not LE...then where did you pick it up? :)

[zamboni]

I hit the range today to try out some different SD ammo for my cm9. I shot 100 UMC 115gr fmj, 25 115gr critical defense, 20 100gr powerball +p, 25 124gr gold dot +p, and 25 federal (can't remember exactly which jhp). I was hoping to see what the gun liked and didn't like and choose my carry ammo. Well, couldn't get it to malfunction with any ammo. It now has about 400 rounds of 7 different brand ammo, and zero malfunctions. I love this little gun.

[Michael W.]

The Hornady Critical Defense are designed to feed in just about
any gun. To wit, they are the only defensive load recommended by
Diamondback for their problematic DB9.

Your stovepipe could have been caused by the fact that when
you ran the CDs through your gun wasn't broken in yet.

I have both the CM9 and PM9
both guns after proper break in feed
124gr +p Gold dots
124 gr +p Rangers
127gr +p+ Rangers
147 gr HSTs
115 gr Crirical Defense
124 gr +p Golden Sabers

all reliably.

My wife carries the Hornady CD in the CM9
for the very low recoil and fast follow up shots.

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[TheTman]

I don't get the "For Law Enforcement Only" like the Rangers and HST's. Shouldn't we have the same right to defend ourselves as the cops? And access to the same ammo?
I've had good luck on my CW40 and CW45 with Rangers, Hydrashoks, and Gold Dots, and Golden Sabres. Except the 45 wouldn't feed the Ranger +P very well until I got a new recoil spring, and it only had about 500 rounds through it. But now it seems to eat everthing I feed it, as long as I use the 6 round mags, the 7 round mags don't work worth a sh!t. Kahr wants me to send it in for them to look at with the three 7 round mags I have trouble with. I think I'll wait until summer when people are wearing lighter clothes.

[guido4198]

Federal HST 124's have been flawless in my CM9. I didn't even try them until after a couple hundred rounds of import FMJ's. I DEFINITELY experienced a "break-in" with the pistol. Bought it new, went through the "Racking" exercise at home before ever taking it to the range. Followed the lube suggestions here.
Hope this helps.

[crazymailman]

crazymailman, are you LE? I thought that the Federal HST was law enforcement only now. If you're not LE...then where did you pick it up? :)

No, I'm not LE. You can find them at ammotogo, and Streichers. There may be other sellers as well. I don't think there's any law that says you can't own ammo marked LE. They sold it to me anyway.

I've never understood all the LE only stuff either. I saw a big thread on another forum, I think. It seems to be more of a marketing thing, focusing on the larger orders of LE agencies.

[dean1818]

I run Corbon DPX in my CM9


I tested the round in a k9 that i used to have. I compared it to HST, Gold Dot, and a cheap jhp.

I used wetpack(soaked, packed newpaper) in milk jugs lined up in a row with 4 layers of
denim on the first jug to simulate heavy clothing.

The corbon expanded to almost 3/4 inch consistently, better than the others.

The penetration was also better.

The HST was second.

[dean1818]

I would add the Corbon never, ever jammed in any pistol that i have owned.

[kayl]

147 grain Gold Dots feed fine in my CM9 :)

[JFootin]

My CM9 loves the 124 gr +p Gold Dots.

[Marcodo]

Ranger T 124gr

[mightymouse]

GD 124 +P as well. At about a buck apiece they aren't in my budget for range ammo.
DPX is another flawlessly feeding favorite, but prefer GD for now.

[whitemule]

at the range today shooting federal fmj,,no problems,,shot my mag full of hornady critical defense and got stove pipe after 4 rounds,,went back to fmj no problems,,I won't be carrying the critical defense anymore!!any suggestions??:popcorn:
My CM9 definitely prefers Hornady 115gr ZOMBIE MAX, but most of the time I feed it Winchester 124gr +p PDX1....seriously, I did have feeding problems with regular Hornady regular red-tip CD (I think the polymer tip catches on the feed ramp or sumpin') but the Zombie rounds feed perfectly. Better JuJu I guess. Haven't had problems with any other rounds, have fired 124 gr Gold Dots (non +p) and several other brands w/out problems.

[zamboni]

My CM9 definitely prefers Hornady 115gr ZOMBIE MAX, but most of the time I feed it Winchester 124gr +p PDX1....seriously, I did have feeding problems with regular Hornady regular red-tip CD (I think the polymer tip catches on the feed ramp or sumpin') but the Zombie rounds feed perfectly. Better JuJu I guess. Haven't had problems with any other rounds, have fired 124 gr Gold Dots (non +p) and several other brands w/out problems.

The guy at my lgs told me that zombie max was just critical defense with a green tip instead of red. I never bought any zombie max to see if it is true or not though.

[TampaShooters]

I don't get the "For Law Enforcement Only" like the Rangers and HST's. Shouldn't we have the same right to defend ourselves as the cops? And access to the same ammo?


"for law enforcement only" is the manufacturers designation. It does not mean restricted to law enforcement. It simply means that it made specifically for law enforcement to certain specifications and sold under a different stock number. You can still buy it and it is legal to own/use. However, most companies make that same ammo under a different name for general resale to us "common folks"

[JFootin]

"for law enforcement only" is the manufacturers designation. It does not mean restricted to law enforcement. It simply means that it made specifically for law enforcement to certain specifications and sold under a different stock number. You can still buy it and it is legal to own/use. However, most companies make that same ammo under a different name for general resale to us "common folks"

Not only so, but Federal and other manufacturers give retailers a hard time if they sell any of it to us. Kyle's Gun Shop dodges their swings and continues to find supply sources for the HST 50 round boxes.

[pocket pistol]

No, I'm not LE. You can find them at ammotogo, and Streichers. There may be other sellers as well. I don't think there's any law that says you can't own ammo marked LE. They sold it to me anyway.

I've never understood all the LE only stuff either. I saw a big thread on another forum, I think. It seems to be more of a marketing thing, focusing on the larger orders of LE agencies.

Thanks for the tip... I'm ordering some Federal HST.

[pocket pistol]

Now my question is, What grain? I was going to go 124 grain because it's closer to the 115 FMJ I practice with. But I've been reading, and the 147 grain seems more popular. Will they fly about the same as the 115 grains I practice with? Especially at close ranges... Of course I would shoot some rounds to find out before I trusted them for my everyday carry.

So 124 grain, or 147 grain???

[kpm9]

I shot both 124 and 147gr Hornady tap today. No issues with either, through several mags.

[stumprat]

After trying several different brands through my CM9. All of them cycled flawlessly.
But for accuracy mine prefers Hornady 124gr FPD

[pocket pistol]

I shot both 124 and 147gr Hornady tap today. No issues with either, through several mags.

was either more accurate??? Did one pattern higher or lower???

[whitemule]

Now my question is, What grain? I was going to go 124 grain because it's closer to the 115 FMJ I practice with. But I've been reading, and the 147 grain seems more popular. Will they fly about the same as the 115 grains I practice with? Especially at close ranges... Of course I would shoot some rounds to find out before I trusted them for my everyday carry.

So 124 grain, or 147 grain???

I go with 124 grain...not sure but I think I read somewhere that it's generally faster out of short-barreled handguns and thus maybe more reliable expansion...but I've never tested ammo for speed or expansion.

[jocko]

124 grain for this ol timer, one reason there is more choices in 124 grain ammo and it does seem to be the round of choice as past surverys have shown. Kahr test fires with 124 grain if that means anythinng. I have shot some 115 and 147 fmj wwb at 7 yards and for me the print about the same, for me which is bqasically all over the fokking target..

[kpm9]

was either more accurate??? Did one pattern higher or lower???

They were both about the same. The 124gr seemed hotter.

[joshh]

i did some backyard ballistics tests w/ my pm9 and the 147 win pdx & rangerT's were the most impressive. the expansion was great even through denim and it busted up the pumpkins better than everything else we tried. the impact on the target seemed harder too when we shot at a vest mounted on plywood, the 147gr broke the wood behind the vest. of the guys i was shooting with, we all agreed that the 147gr was best from my pm9.
try some tests = fun!

[pocket pistol]

I ordered the Federal HST today in 124 grain... Thanks for this thread and thanks to everyone who responded. Now I'm working on getting a PJ IWB holster and I'll be set.

[jbwk254]

I have only tried pdx1's since I just bought the gun not too long ago. I didn't have any issues shooting them but my wife did. Everytime she would shoot, the slide would lock back. Anybody ever experience this? She had zero problems using regular federal fmj 115g

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[hardluk1]

I use for practice ether 115gr or 124gr fmj what ever is cheap. I used up the last hornady CD i had and bought a bunch of georgia arms 124gr+P hp they use the speer gold dot bullet. They have to call it speer bonded unicor but it is the GD. Advertized FPS is 1200fps average. It reach's that from my glock . My CW9 shoots it at 1192fps average and the CM9 is 1168 fps. All shot thru a chrony f-1 and a ten shot average.

[joshh]

I have only tried pdx1's since I just bought the gun not too long ago. I didn't have any issues shooting them but my wife did. Everytime she would shoot, the slide would lock back. Anybody ever experience this? She had zero problems using regular federal fmj 115g

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all i carry lately is the 147gr pdx's and my pm9 has never had any issues with them. i have fired a couple boxes of them and the rangerT's (same thing only diff is bonding) through it w/out issue. i also shoot them in my .40 glock w/out issue but that thing eats everything.

[PCollen]

at the range today shooting federal fmj,,no problems,,shot my mag full of hornady critical defense and got stove pipe after 4 rounds,,went back to fmj no problems,,I won't be carrying the critical defense anymore!!any suggestions??:popcorn:

I use Speer Gold Dot 124 +P (23617/53617) .

[alseg]

Hornady Critical Defence........fed fine.

[ctrcs]

I have 275 rounds through my CM9 now and today put 24 flawless Hornady Critical Defense rounds and the last one shot well, but the slide didn't lock back. So all 25 were very accurate. I had some problems early, but it is now performing great.

[Ricky59]

Hornady Critical Defense is my vote ...
Never had any problems with it ..

[Indigo]

Wow not a lot of love for the Golden Sabres here just a couple. I prefer those exclusively they are priced well at 15/box at CTD and have nice rounded curves that make them feed reliably. I had a lot of issues with rangers i attributed to the sharp angles awhile back.

[pDubs]

I have hornady cd just because it is available at dicks.

[firefighter305]

I bought 124gr golden sabers also due to the rounded shape and I use the slingshot method and it works flawlessly.

[Rubb]

I’ve tried 5 from my PM9 all without issue.
Listed in order of preference from oh yeah to…only if :)
Gold Dot 124+p
Gold Dot 147
WWB 147 JHP
WWB 115 JHP
Rem UMC 115 JHP

[jocko]

GS is a good round just that most post their preference on this forum and GS is not the top of the preference list. It is a good round, been around a long time. It is well accepted. IT MUST WORK TO BE A GOOD ROUND,

Rubb. hit on some good rounds. I have never shot WWB HP in anything. I like Gold dot 124+P and I like the corbon powerball and the corbon 125 hp and corbon dpx. but they are all good, so if ur cool with what ever brand ur shooting STICK WITH IT. I serioulsly doubt if there is a hill of beans difference in the 124 Gold dot and the 125 grain Corbon HP..

[Rubb]

Here ya go FWIW....the one time I got a chance to shoot some jugs:)

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[toddmog]

When I used to buy my own, I'd go with 124 grn Gold Dots or HST's. Now I shoot 147 grn Ranger T's since they are issued to me. So far I've only put two and half mags of the Ranger's through the CM9 though. All fed and functioned fine. I need to see if I can find some more laying around the office.

[crazymailman]

After seeing Rubb's picture, I thought you might like to see some HSTs shot into jugs. Penetration wasn't measures but estimating about 12-13".

http://kahrtalk.com/picture.php?albumid=53&pictureid=565

[Rubb]

As long as were posting ammo expansion pics without penetration data.
I would say I dug 6-8” to retrieve this :)
100% weight retention.


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[Simms65]

I've only tried the Gold Dot 124 +P load in my CM9, and it works excellently. It is my defensive load in my other 9mm handguns, and it is proven.

[crazymailman]

Well pardon me. I was unaware that I should get scientific measurements for an otherwise unscientific experiment. I'll try to do better next time.

[TriggerMan]

crazymailman, are you LE? I thought that the Federal HST was law enforcement only now. If you're not LE...then where did you pick it up? :)Do a Google search for

P9HST1 or P9HST3

Those are 124 gr, std pressure or +P

[slowgoat]

My CM9 has liked the 124 grain +P Ranger T's I have put through it. Flawless through 3 mags. These are Black Talons minus the black, for the most part.

RA9124TP

[Rubb]

Well pardon me. I was unaware that I should get scientific measurements for an otherwise unscientific experiment. I'll try to do better next time.

Haa…you crazy….mailman :D
Not trying to offend…..it’s just a pic I took last year :)