I Love Kahr's, BUT...

[Frankhenrylee]

I love Kahr's. The trigger is smooth like butter, thier very accurate, near-perfect size, the Glock style safety, and higher end models are as attractive as any gun out there.

BUT! Why do I read about so many problems on here? I've got some minor gripes of my own with my PM40 and I know that no gun is perfect(except for the Kahr PM9), but damn. I was perfectly happy with my PM40(even with those minor things) but after spending a little time on here, I'm scratching my head.

Warning: Lots of questions here.
Obviously, since this is the only Kahr forum, the complaints are concentrated here. Most people never say anything when things are working right. So how do we know?

What do you guys think the percentage is of problems vs. never had a problem at all?

Do you think the problems we read about on here are isolated?

Which models have known issues, which are perfectly good ones?

Do you think Kahr has quality control issues?

I'm depending on you guys that have been on here for a long time to chime in on this. Not bashing Kahr, just want to know what the whole track record looks like, not just the bad parts.

[jocko]

it is a kahr forum and ur gonna get negatvies farmore than posisitives. U didn't state ur issues with the PM40, so we can't help u either. they are allgood performing models. they all work basiclay identical, caliber wise but sh-t happens, u know that. Many here have never had one issues ever, I have 3 kahrs the P380 is now doing good, my K9 was bougght used and has never faltered one time in over 5K of my rounds. My PM9, with 32K speaks for itself. It is my best carry gun. Look at allthe other small ass guns out therek, they do have issues also. I don't see any being immune. If u have an issues bring it to this forum , we have some pretty smart guys here, if not send it back that is what a warranty is for.
sometimes even on ths fourm we tend to make a owners complaint into a 10 page thread to whcih over plays alot..

[hpg]

You see the same thing at GlockTalk.com, SigForum.com, S&W Forum.com....every manufacturer has bugs and things that go wrong.

It's called Human Error.....just a fact of life...hpg

[jocko]

and remember this is the internet and I can get on damn near any gun forumn andpost negtatvie sh-t just to be sitrring sh-t, and maybe never owning that gun even.

[TD2K]

no problems whatsoever with my MK9 and P380

[Barth]

"What do you guys think the percentage is of problems vs. never had a problem at all?
Do you think the problems we read about on here are isolated?
Which models have known issues, which are perfectly good ones?
Do you think Kahr has quality control issues?
I'm depending on you guys that have been on here for a long time to chime in on this.
Not bashing Kahr, just want to know what the whole track record looks like, not just the bad parts."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I only have experience with my MK40 Elite 03
which has been nothing short of flawless.

I'm not sure anyone other than the manufacturer can truly answer your questions.
Any gun forum, including Sig Sauer and Glock, have posts of folks having issues.

[Bawanna]

And some people just have issues. Sometimes not even gun related. You think I have issues?

[Tilos]

Yep, all the new members here varify that Kahr sales are way up with the CM guns.
Add to that, many/most are 1st time gun owners and the average new shooter expects their new gun to function/shoot like a new Toyota drives.

[Bill K]

Here you will find "Kahr Talk" from an entirely different forum... http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/135296-information-about-kahr.html

[MW surveyor]

Well, my CW9 has been 100% through at least 2000 rounds so far of my reloads. So for me, it gets the carry daily.

Just got back from my bi-weekly tour of my LGS to check on used guns. They had a P380 in there for $425 but could not tell me why it is being sold. Passed on that one.

All of my guns have been 100% except for the Walther P22. It is really picky on the ammo it gets fed.

[Frankhenrylee]

The PM40's been 100% for me and my wife(who don't know jack about shooting a handgun, she's almost untrainable) so I figure it's pretty dang solid. My problems are with the mags. The slide gets stuck on the bullet, instead of sliding the bullet in. The bullet below the top bullet is canted causing the top bullet to get hung on the back rim(or in the groove of the rim) of the second bullet. I've taken the mags apart and adjusted the spring slightly to hopefully realign the follower but it didn't seem to have any effect on how the follower rides in the mag. I have one 5rd. and 2 6rd. and they all seem to be the same. The 5rd mag seems to work better than the other two, yet I can't see any difference in how they are designed at the top.

[apheod]

2 of my 3 handguns are kahrs. i agree that i love the form factor and trigger of kahr, the width/concealability is awesome. simple design, easy to work on... that said, i believe they have quality control issues. my pm9 is flawless. my k9 elite is a piece of junk that's been back to the factory 4 times, i'm waiting to receive a replacement frame from the last return. i wouldn't be surprised if it had to go back in a 5th time.

for the price they charge, there is a SHAMEFUL lack of quality control, IMNSHO. if i didn't shoot thousands of rounds through my carry guns to ensure they'll work when i need them to, i wouldn't even consider a kahr and would stick to something proven more reliable like a heckler and koch to trust my life to.

i have no problems carrying my pm9 or my hk p2000 as my only gun. that piece of trash k9... i wont carry it without having the pm9 as a backup on me until i've put at LEAST 1000 consecutive hollowpoints through it without a failure. it's pretty sad that i have to be that skeptical with a gun that cost me almost 900 dollars, but HK doesn't make a gun this concealable, and i know when a kahr works right, it really works right.

[jocko]

The PM40's been 100% for me and my wife(who don't know jack about shooting a handgun, she's almost untrainable) so I figure it's pretty dang solid. My problems are with the mags. The slide gets stuck on the bullet, instead of sliding the bullet in. The bullet below the top bullet is canted causing the top bullet to get hung on the back rim(or in the groove of the rim) of the second bullet. I've taken the mags apart and adjusted the spring slightly to hopefully realign the follower but it didn't seem to have any effect on how the follower rides in the mag. I have one 5rd. and 2 6rd. and they all seem to be the same. The 5rd mag seems to work better than the other two, yet I can't see any difference in how they are designed at the top.

well know mags are part of any semi, so if ur having issues with your PM40 mags, then the gun itself has to be giving issues. One can blame it on the mags but it takes two to tango. One is worthless without the other

[Longitude Zero]

My CW45 has been trouble free thru 1500 rounds and counting. My CM9 had 2 hiccups pre-250 rounds but is now at 1000 with no further difficulties. Proper lubircation and top flight ammo solve most of not all troubles.

[jeepster09]

and remember this is the internet and I can get on damn near any gun forumn andpost negtatvie sh-t just to be sitrring sh-t, and maybe never owning that gun even.


WHAT :eek: How can that be......

[apheod]

My CW45 has been trouble free thru 1500 rounds and counting. My CM9 had 2 hiccups pre-250 rounds but is now at 1000 with no further difficulties. Proper lubircation and top flight ammo solve most of not all troubles.

not mine :(

[les strat]

Apheod, honestly, I'd move that gun on for something else. If it's been worked over and still not right, time to move it on. You will never trust it. That's my way of thinking with SD weapons anyway. That PM9 will do the trick.

[Baccerman]

Interesting comparison of guns to Toyotas..I found out that the mythical Toyota reliability is just that... I finally broke down and bought a Corolla new in 2009 after owning only Ford and GM for 30+ years.
Nothing but trouble. No more of those for me. Glad to see American cars on the way back!
Weapons I have have been much more reliable accordingly.

[apheod]

i agree but what am i going to do with it? i couldn't sell it to someone in good faith. i shoot enough that i can verify reliability, it will eventually be replacing the HK as my main IDPA gun, even though it's far from an ideal SSP gun. i want to be competent and confident in my carry piece.

i'll just keep sending it back and shooting the hell out of it until they make it right. i like the way the k9 carries and feels in the hand too much to give up on it. i did a lot of research before deciding on that one.

[muggsy]

And some people just have issues. Sometimes not even gun related. You think I have issues?

Oh, you have issues, Bawanna. Just not Kahr issues. :)

[Jeremiah/Az]

My PM9 & P380 have been flawless.I had a couple of FT feed in the first 2 mags fired in the PM9, caused by slingshoting & nothing more. My P380 has never missed one lick ever.:D

[TriggerMan]

I love Kahr's. The trigger is smooth like butter, thier very accurate, near-perfect size, the Glock style safety, and higher end models are as attractive as any gun out there.

BUT! Why do I read about so many problems on here? I've got some minor gripes of my own with my PM40 and I know that no gun is perfect(except for the Kahr PM9), but damn. I was perfectly happy with my PM40(even with those minor things) but after spending a little time on here, I'm scratching my head.

Warning: Lots of questions here.
Obviously, since this is the only Kahr forum, the complaints are concentrated here. Most people never say anything when things are working right. So how do we know?

What do you guys think the percentage is of problems vs. never had a problem at all?

Do you think the problems we read about on here are isolated?

Which models have known issues, which are perfectly good ones?

Do you think Kahr has quality control issues?

I'm depending on you guys that have been on here for a long time to chime in on this. Not bashing Kahr, just want to know what the whole track record looks like, not just the bad parts.I can't speak to any Kahr models other than the one I owned. I have never seen a "Glock style safety" on a Kahr. My Beretta Nano has one, but that's another story. One that turned out very well.

My PM9 had 3 QC issues and a 'maybe'.

1.The RSA retaining nut broke loose at the range (@ 250 rounds or so) but Kahr quickly sent be a new assembly by First Class Mail. I was out of action about 8 calendar days.

2. Break-in was much longer than the 200 rounds which Kahr publishes. After 600 rounds, I was comfortable but still had a 1/175 nosediving rounds. I must also say it never happened with SD ammo. Same scenario as with my Nano.

3. Mags on some units drop free, on other specimens they don't. I believe they should. It's an American shooter's expectation. It is an expectation of the Instructor when you attend any tactical class. My other American market guns drop the mag freely. I don't need to pull them.

If I had to guess the percentage of guns with some issue, minor as well as fatal, I'd say at least 20%. Small semi's are just hard to do well. The shooters technique is a big factor.

I sold mine for the simple reason that I did not shoot it as accurately as I wanted. I think its a well made gun with substandard mags. If yours works for you, you'll love it. If not, no crime in moving on.

[CJB]

I love Kahr's. The trigger is smooth like butter, thier very accurate, near-perfect size, the Glock style safety, and higher end models are as attractive as any gun out there.

BUT! Why do I read about so many problems on here? I've got some minor gripes of my own with my PM40 and I know that no gun is perfect(except for the Kahr PM9), but damn. I was perfectly happy with my PM40(even with those minor things) but after spending a little time on here, I'm scratching my head.

Warning: Lots of questions here.
Obviously, since this is the only Kahr forum, the complaints are concentrated here. Most people never say anything when things are working right. So how do we know?

What do you guys think the percentage is of problems vs. never had a problem at all?

Do you think the problems we read about on here are isolated?

Which models have known issues, which are perfectly good ones?

Do you think Kahr has quality control issues?

I'm depending on you guys that have been on here for a long time to chime in on this. Not bashing Kahr, just want to know what the whole track record looks like, not just the bad parts.

Glock style safety? No, sir, the Kahr has a KAHR style safety, and they're damned proud of it too!

This place is like ... permanently on Festivus.... a place to kvetch. What a boring lot of sods we'd be if we had zero problems and outstanding targets to prove it all.

No sir! Says I, we are a place not unlike the kitchen appliance that is commonly known as the trash compactor. This forum compacts problems, containing, shrinking, reducing, compressing and forging them into very manageable bits that are easily dealt with. Expect problems to be seen here. Engage the brain, and become part of the solution(s)! Or just sit back and absorb the knowledge-base... bit by bit.

Keep in mind also, that many problems, while not the shooters "fault" are made far more weighty by way of the shooters inexperience, and especially inexperience with Kahr. Kahr's are not fun shooting target guns for the masses. They can be fun, they are accurate, but they are designed from the vellum up as uniquely suited for concealed carry, and they do that job and play that role more than admirably.

You'll not see very many problems here where Kahr couldn't get it right. You'll see people who gave up on Kahr, but not Kahr giving up on its customers. I cannot recall any example of Kahr throwing in the towel on a problem... but I'm sure some exist someplace.

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE. Kahr is a good outfit.

[Frankhenrylee]

As far as the glock style safety goes, I was just referring to the internal safety. Don't particularly like external safeties.

I think what I'm hearing(it's funny how sometimes you hear what you want to) is that I should go ahead and buy that Walther PPQ I've been wanting. Wait a minute, did I hear that or did I dream about that last night... Hmmm...

[Frankhenrylee]

well know mags are part of any semi, so if ur having issues with your PM40 mags, then the gun itself has to be giving issues. One can blame it on the mags but it takes two to tango. One is worthless without the other

Once the gun feeds the first round it doesn't miss a beat. Do you think the springs in those extended mags are a little too heavy? I thought about polishing the lips on the mag, but I was afraid I'd take off some metal and alter the way the bullet sits at the top. Any suggestions?

[ORSalesRep]

I have a P9, MK9 Elite and a P380 and each one has been completely perfect since unboxing, even through the 200 round break-in period. However, I have not taken the time to voice my experience on this forum. It's just like everyone said, unsatisfied buyers are much more likely to post their grips on the internet than those who are happy. Must be something to do with human nature, because if you google almost any product, 90% of the time, there will be more poor reviews that good ones, regardless of how great the product is.

[JFootin]

^ So true.

[jocko]

I have a P9, MK9 Elite and a P380 and each one has been completely perfect since unboxing, even through the 200 round break-in period. However, I have not taken the time to voice my experience on this forum. It's just like everyone said, unsatisfied buyers are much more likely to post their grips on the internet than those who are happy. Must be something to do with human nature, because if you google almost any product, 90% of the time, there will be more poor reviews that good ones, regardless of how great the product is.

not have said it better. hit the ol nail right on the head. I love my Porsche but one can go tothe Porshe chat line and find very disgrunted owners.

I go by the "TRUST BUT VERIFY" STUFF. If one believes everything he reads expecially on the internet, then more than likely he wll own nothing.
Kahrs ain'[t perfect, if they were the rest of the gun industry would be sucking hind tit.