Too much oil?

[twofocused]

Ok so I didn't follow the oiling guidelines because I was in such a rush to shoot today but, I did clean it.

The first 30 rounds were simply amazing and I loved it. My groupings at 7 yards were 3 inches and then the trigger stopped working. Its almost like it wasn't catching. It would fire 1 out of 5 pulls or so.

When I broke it down I noticed that there was alot of oil around the trigger and such. Could that be my problem, too much oil?

If that is all the problem is I'll be ecstatic. I liked this cm9 so much that while it was working I was already thinking of buying a cw9.

Thanks, J

[Cornhusker]

Weapon?

[Bawanna]

Looks like CM9 the way I read it.

Is the trigger not resetting? Is that what it feels like? Just nothing when you pull the trigger?

[twofocused]

CM9 and it wouldn't reset at all. If I just kept pulling it, it would fire 1 out of 4 or 5 times.

[ripley16]

Excess oil wouldn't cause your trigger to malfunction. You have another problem. Was it a trigger problem or light strikes?

[OldLincoln]

If you have cleaned it from the range, what does it do now? Then do the proper prep and lube chart and dry fire it a bit.

[twofocused]

Excess oil wouldn't cause your trigger to malfunction. You have another problem. Was it a trigger problem or light strikes?

The trigger for sure it felt like it wasn't "catching" on something.

[twofocused]

If you have cleaned it from the range, what does it do now? Then do the proper prep and lube chart and dry fire it a bit.

After I cleaned it the trigger seems to work fine.

If it gets sent back to Kahr how do I ship it? Never had a new firearm that needed to be sent back.

[twofocused]

Well I called Kahr cs today and spoke with Rich. He was extremely helpful and told me that over oiling shouldn't be an issue. He explained that he had never answered a call with this problem so he sent me a shipping label and said that I would have it back in 1-3 weeks.

+1 for Kahr cs

[Bawanna]

Well I called Kahr cs today and spoke with Rich. He was extremely helpful and told me that over oiling shouldn't be an issue. He explained that he had never answered a call with this problem so he sent me a shipping label and said that I would have it back in 1-3 weeks.

+1 for Kahr cs

Do keep us posted, we all learn from these trips. They will take care of it without question. Sad to have to send you shiny new gun back but it happens once in a while.

[twofocused]

Well I called Kahr cs today and spoke with Rich. He was extremely helpful and told me that over oiling shouldn't be an issue. He explained that he had never answered a call with this problem so he sent me a shipping label and said that I would have it back in 1-3 weeks.

+1 for Kahr cs

Ok they received the gun on 2/7 in the morning and I'm getting a lil anxious so I tried to reach them today.

After being on hold for 45 minutes I finally just left a message. I'm getting a little discouraged now.

[JFootin]

Ok they received the gun on 2/7 in the morning and I'm getting a lil anxious so I tried to reach them today.

After being on hold for 45 minutes I finally just left a message. I'm getting a little discouraged now.

A lot less frustration to send them an email asking for an update, ETA and to be notified with a tracking number so you can be there when it is delivered. They usually reply within 24 hours.

[KABOOKIE]

Ok they received the gun on 2/7 in the morning and I'm getting a lil anxious so I tried to reach them today.

After being on hold for 45 minutes I finally just left a message. I'm getting a little discouraged now.

Welcome to the club. Kahr has quite a bit of their quality products back on warranty right now. I imagine they're pretty busy to get back with you.

That being said, You can email Jay at jay.dandrea@kahr.com and include your return authorization number and he will get back to you.

[CJB]

Kahr has quite a bit of their quality products back on warranty right now.

I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no basis by which to formulate any sort of valid opinion regarding that. You'd have to have intimate knowledge of production numbers - number of units made - and intimate knowledge of the number of units returned for warranty or other service. You have neither, so instead of inflicting your emotion based rhetoric to the folks here, maybe it would be better to stick to the facts and say something factual.

[KABOOKIE]

Really? No basis what so ever? How about just the number of post here in this forum about returned products? Maybe we could start a poll and see who's had to send their pistols back? Would that be enough evidence for you? How about the fact this guy's pistol has been there for 3 weeks? You're right though. Maybe there's only 5 pistols back in their shop and only one guy working part time to fix them. Right.

[CJB]

The number of pistols sold, versus the number of users here, versus the total overall service figures are totally unknown to me, you, or most anyone except the production and warranty departments at Kahr.

I stand on both things I said - you have no basis, and are spewing emotion filled rhetoric.

[JFootin]

Welcome to the club. Kahr has quite a bit of their quality products back on warranty right now. I imagine they're pretty busy to get back with you.

And you know this, how? So you had a problem with your gun. Doesn't make you an authority on the number or percentage of guns currently under repair at the mother ship. You're being a whiner. Grow up! And shut up!

[Tinman507]

A lot of frustrated owners read too much into the discussions on this forum and think there are huge numbers of guns going back to the mothership, when in reality you're only seeing fractional numbers going back for service.

I can fully appreciate what it feels like to send your brand new baby back home for attention. I bought a Ruger SR22 3 weeks ago, shot it twice and had issues with it. Back it went. It's still there as we speak. Upset? Yeah a little. Anxious to get it back? Damned right. Disillusioned with Ruger? No, I've read a bunch about guns going back but also read a bunch about outstanding experiences with the gun.

I was fortunate with my CM9. It ran great out of the box. I've read about some that didn't and had to go back. If you look at the boom in gun sales and see the percentage that have issues, all models, all manufacturers, it's really very low.

On Kahrtalk we tend to get a little defensive about folks who put the brand down because we've seen how great they are and how well they correct their issues. It's ok to be upset about your gun going back. I would be too, but it's not ok to paint Kahr with a huge "bad brand" brush.

Kahr will make it right and ultimately you'll get a gun you can stake your life on. Be patient and read lots, Help others when you can and the favor will be returned. I'm sorry you're having problems but this too shall pass.
We're here to commiserate and help

[knkali]

Kabookie has an axe to grind probably because he has a problem that has not been resolved. I would like to know why he takes the position he does or if he can give a synopsis of his Kahr problem(s) or thread link to fill us in.

Kabookie, obviously we are fans of Kahr here and most here want you to be too. What happened to turn you off?

[Bawanna]

Alright, every one disperse. Nothing to see here. I'm gonna lay down some flame retardant foam.

Let us all be nice or at least semi civil.

[Tinman507]

Nice Black & White, Boss. Can I work the lights n sirens?

[knkali]

Ok I am going to work on clearing type 3 malfunctions. Will check in later

[Bawanna]

Nice Black & White, Boss. Can I work the lights n sirens?

You make the lights work and I'll make you a Captain! I had one once where the lights worked but it was sporadic and didn't always work.

John is thinking of having some upgrades on a few things like moving avatars and such I think after 65,000 post so maybe then I'll get blinky lights and stuff provided of course there's a computer person around to tell me how to do it.

[Bawanna]

Ok I am going to work on clearing type 3 malfunctions. Will check in later

What's a type 3 malfunction? Is that when you get your willy jammed during pocket carry? I think the fires are out, the retardant worked, all clear........

[Tinman507]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0810/the-zippers-stuck-demotivational-poster-1223439114.png

[KABOOKIE]

Whoa settle down sunshine pumpers. Who said anything about a percentage? I said they have quite a bit of their guns back. Not 5%, 10% or 50% of their production. No. Just read through this forum and there's quite a few post of people who have recently sent their Kahr back. That and 3 weeks to turn around warranty speaks volumes. Factual? You betcha.

[Tinman507]

http://ano.lolcathost.org/thumbs//costanzaPopcorn.gif

[Krusty]

:roll::4:# of weapons produced and in current use x rounds fired : by malfunctions =%!!!! I'm sure the failure rate will be 0.00 something %. subtract user error and go even further behind decimal. Subtract improper maintainance on top of that and it's almost non existant. Lol

[muggsy]

A classic case of over lubrimacation if I ever saw one. Had to wring the oil out of it. :)

[BOBBO268]

is it unfortunate that reading on this forum makes it seem like these guns really aren't reliable enough to stake your life on right out of the box? yes

do we wish all guns could be reliable like our trusty glocks? yes

I spoke to a guy once about reading all the stuff about the malfunctions and problems with the kahrs online, and while I too have a cm9 out for service before even firing, he had a point (maybe).....

he said, "just think of all the people that don't use forums." (good point)

i would assume a lot of people who have perfectly working guns, or any product for that matter, don't bother with the forums because a lot of people go to forums for help, USUALLY not to brag..... which i suppose is the general rule behind any online reviews as well. Most people are no stranger to complaining, but won't go out of there way to tell someones boss they did a good job....

as "sad" as i am about my situation, it is what it is and i hope i get a reliable gun back...

[Popeye]

Come on Spring:D

[knkali]

What's a type 3 malfunction? Is that when you get your willy jammed during pocket carry? I think the fires are out, the retardant worked, all clear........

the good ol double feed scenario. The "mother" of all malfunctions. I am getting better at clearing it though.

[knkali]

Like Kahr so much, I want the TP45 but cannot buy here in California

[jocko]

then get the hell out of komifornia. I hear they are again trying for state hood ..

[knkali]

then get the hell out of komifornia. I hear they are again trying for state hood ..

Wish it were that easy amigo--I would

[getsome]

This is for the OP twofocused...Hope you get your Kahr to working again soon...I don't think too muck oil was the real issue but who knows...This is a FYI to folks about using too much and the wrong type products trying to over lube and over love our pistols...

I found out the hard way that if you mix CLP and Remoil you end up with goo...I used this mixture on a S&W 686 revolver and it gunked it up so much the action wouldn't work...The cylinder stop got stuck and the trigger wouldn't return...Took the side plate off and blasted the goo out with brake cleaner and lightly oiled with only Remoil and all was well again...

Nothing wrong with CLP, it's good stuff but not mixed with anything else....I stopped using CLP because I don't care for the smell...I have found a great and inexpensive spray lube called Max Film made by Royal Purple which I get at O'reilly's auto parts...It's a synthetic penetrant spray that goes on wet then dries but leaves a super slick coating on metal...My guns love the stuff and it even smells ok too...

New Kahr owners really need to check out the proper prep and lube sticky as it is very helpful to get started off on the right foot without issues...

Also twofocused you should NEVER NEVER get any type of lube near the striker/firing pin area which is just asking for trouble with misfires and light primer strikes...Only maintenance for this area is to stick the red nozzle of a can of the gun cleaner of your choice (Most here use non chlorinated brake cleaner) in the clean out hole next to the striker channel and blast any crud out of there then leave it alone and only lightly lube the areas in the chart...

Let us know what the results are of the return to the mother ship for the trigger issue as we all learn things all the time here...Good luck...

[jocko]

getsome; THE SMELL!!! WHAT THE hell do u do bath in it?/ It goes on the gun not ur body. I bet if CLP could talk it would notlike ur smell either!! Just sayin

Let me give u some advice in 46 most posts u will not only hit the 1000 mark but u will turn into an idiot to. Just sayin

course jsut my observation, but I think u already have a head start!!

[Bawanna]

My everyone seems to be testy and short fused around here lately. Is it a full moon or something. Bad water hole?

Heart break of psoriasis, what?

[getsome]

Look Dr. J. Lets get something straight...A man likes to smell like a man not like a pool of leaking transmission fluid from your old wore out Harley!!!...And another thing, my post count is way better than yours now so na na na naaaa na, Hardy Har Har...Now take that you ole gezzer...

I better leave now before he sees my last post to Ken K...:rolleyes:...:001_tt2:...

[jocko]

check ur mail!!!

[getsome]

Rut Ro!!!

[Bawanna]

Congratulations, welcome to the equestrian world. Will this be your first head.

Good idea to allow lots of room in your trophy room, they take up a considerable amount of space. I really should know, I have 27 myself, one was a paint, very nice and my favorite.

[Mblatt]

New owner of cm9. No errors. I really appreciated the prep info, the break down video and the lube chart. However it would be great if someone who has been shooting, cleaning and lubing Kahrs for a long time would make a video from start to finish of their cleaning and lube technique. I follow the directions that I can find but this is my first pistol and it can be confusing with all of the scattered and possibly wrong info out there. Thanks for all the info. I would be completely lost without all of your help.

[twofocused]

I got the Kahr back and the notes said that they reworked the trigger bar. Myself and others fired at least 300 rounds thru it with no hiccups.

Lovin it

[Tinman507]

Good deal. Glad it worked out for you.

[jocko]

great news, ow just put all that bad sh-t behid u and shoot it like u stole it...great gun, really is.