Lube

[Athensm50]

Hey Guys....has anyone here used and Frog Lube?

I like the concept....but wanted to see if anyone had used it before I ordered any....if the Seals...must be some good stuff!!

or do I just use some other type of lube?.....

I read where someone was using Syn. Motor oil????.....hummmm....metal to metal....not sure how it would do??

what are you using?

Just use a tube of "Gun Grease"......Oil?.....

Thanks,

Jeff

[TheTman]

I've used everything from Amsoil, STP, TW25 gun grease, Rem Oil, Outers Oil, etc. As long as I've kept the important part lubed, I've never seen much difference in what I was using for lube. I don't shoot in extreme climates, so thats not a factor.
Why would you worry about Synthetic Motor oil on Metal to Metal, that exactly what it was designed to lube. Rignt now I'm using TW25 grease on the rails, and Rem Oil on the other lube points.

[jocko]

Normally gun oil is a very low viscosity oil, not a thick oil, I guess Motor oil would be OK . It is a friction reducer and if it works OK in your gun, then I certainly would not be telling u it is not good to use. If u use any lubricant and the gun does not work, normally it is not the lubricants fault but it is a gun issues. I think gun lubricants is about as debateable as buller preferences. We all know and accept that there are other spray cleaners that do the same exact thing as some of the over p;riced advertised Gun spray cleaners, . I would not expect to see on any oil container, be it Amsoil, Mobil One where it would say also good for guns. Certainly we don';t all believe that a company likle Hoppe's forumualtes and makes their own gun oil. This ol timer doesn't. One would really be surpised to see just how many oil related products a big companyt like LUCAS with their label on it does not make.

If it works for you, stay with it..

[Athensm50]

Agreed.....my issues it that outside of just the "oil" that came with my cleaning kit....that is ALL I have ever used.....mostly a long gun owner until a year or so back......and was looking for some advice from some of the "Ol timers" ....

;-)

[Bawanna]

Any oil you used on long guns will work perfectly fine on a pistol. Many here myself included like the TW25 because it comes in a convenient syringe type applicator and it's quick and easy to apply a line in the slide rails or other places where grease would be preferred.

thetmanski nailed it when he said as long as you get lube in the places were lube is really needed you'll be perfectly fine.

I've never tried the Frog lube but as you say, if the Seals like it and I was looking for a product I'd sure give it a try.

[Bawanna]

Oh I just reread and saw you were looking for ol timers. I'll give you back to Jocko although I haven't wiped my nose in at least 10 minutes so I'm not a runny nose little kid my own self.

[Athensm50]

I will take any input....he was the old that threw the "ol Times" out there...lol

[Bawanna]

I guess we should formulate more accurate age groups.

Maybe Old, Older and Fossils? I'll never forget my dad's 36th birthday, thought he was the oldest man alive. Looking back how we'd all love to be 36 again. Least ways I would. 26 would be even better but you can't hold back the tide ya know?

[joshh]

Hey Guys....has anyone here used and Frog Lube?
I like the concept....but wanted to see if anyone had used it before I ordered any....if the Seals...must be some good stuff!!
or do I just use some other type of lube?.....
I read where someone was using Syn. Motor oil????.....hummmm....metal to metal....not sure how it would do??
what are you using?
Just use a tube of "Gun Grease"......Oil?.....


i personally wouldn't use motor oil on a gun unless i had to.
i know guys who are using frog lube on their ar's and glocks who like it a lot. i am using eezox myself right now and i like that because it dries. i carry my pm9 daily and don't want a pocket full of oil. from what i have read, the froglube is totally syn safe and it dries too so i will prob switch over to that when i run out of clp for the ar. give us a review if you try some.

[knkali]

one thing I found is my Kahr likes to run very wet.

[tv_racin_fan]

I wouldn't use a motor oil on my firearms but I got nothing against using an auto transmission fluid on em.

To be honest sitting here thinking about it a motor oil might be the ticket. I believe it has some stickifiers that keep stuff lubed between runnings, this way the damage done in startup is lessened. HHMM maybe an SAE 30 mixed with auto tranny fluid would be the trick. HHHMM toss in a bit of KROIL for that penetration factor hhmmm.

Anyone know the formula for Ed's Red?

http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm

Turns out Ed's Red has Dexron III in it.. I thought so.

[Bawanna]

I wouldn't use a motor oil on my firearms but I got nothing against using an auto transmission fluid on em.

To be honest sitting here thinking about it a motor oil might be the ticket. I believe it has some stickifiers that keep stuff lubed between runnings, this way the damage done in startup is lessened. HHMM maybe an SAE 30 mixed with auto tranny fluid would be the trick. HHHMM toss in a bit of KROIL for that penetration factor hhmmm.

Anyone know the formula for Ed's Red?

I don't know the formula but I'd bet your not far off. I'd thought of half regular and half synthetic mixed, the Kroil would be a nice touch although it might break down the other ingredients. STP or Engine Restore would provide some sticky. Among the multitude of things I'm not, a chemist ranks right near the top.

[tv_racin_fan]

That link I posted also has the original formula for Hoppes #9.

Oh and Bawanna I wasn't all that far off from Ed's Red as it turns out. His formula uses kerosene and acetone for the penetration effect.

[jocko]

humm, I wonder why we would think mixing a fossil oil in with a pure synthetic is better than a pure synthetic??just askin. fossil oils today are not nearly as good as agood synthetic lubricant..

[tv_racin_fan]

I didn't mention a synthetic... ATF is a dewaxed fossil oil apparently.

AND apparently a synthetic motor oil all by it lonesome is a good lube.

"Synthetic Automotive Oils
Synthetic automotive oils (such as Quaker State High Performance Synthetic, Castrol, and Mobil 1) work well as general lubricants and because of their detergent capabilities they will help to remove "crud." (Synthetic oils handle low temperatures better than regular oils.) Just remember, as with any lubricant, not to over lube things. Valvoline Semi-Synthetic Power Steering Fluid has also been used with great success by many folks as their normal lubricant." quoted from frfrogspad.com

[BEARDOG]

I use Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5-30 syn oil in my Grand Cherokee and my Kahr's.

This is top quality and expensive stuff. It is rated to run 15,000 miles before needing changed, this means a lot less time under the Jeep for me!

The empty bottle (5qt) always has a little in the bottom/sides left over. I took an empty eye drop bottle popped the dropper tip, cleaned then filled it with the residual oil. There is easily enough left over to fill the eye drop bottle 2-3 times and the dropper allows easy, light application to my guns. It works great and I no longer buy any "gun" oil.

[muggsy]

Agreed.....my issues it that outside of just the "oil" that came with my cleaning kit....that is ALL I have ever used.....mostly a long gun owner until a year or so back......and was looking for some advice from some of the "Ol timers" ....

;-)



Harumpf! I guess I qualify as an old timer. Been shooting for more than fifty years. Damn near older than dirt. I don't believe in combining cleaning with lubing. Clean with one product and lube with another. I prefer oil to grease for lubrication except in the case of long term storage. Any good gun oil like Hoppe's will do. I don't see any real advantage to using synthetic gun oil and it's far more expensive. Clean you gun after every use. Don't look at it as a chore, but rather as a labor of love. Take care of your guns and they will take care of you.

[LaP]

It's not exactly a labor of love, but I kinda like cleaning/lubing my firearms. It reacquaints me with the mechanisms and workings of each firearm. I see and appreciate the inner workings. It helps me recognize malfunctions and their causes.
The universe seems clear and nature is explained. Kumbya.:rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

And kumbya to you as well.

[Popeye]

I've used Mobil 1 V Twin 20/50 on most of my pistols at one time or another. Most of todays pistols like Kahrs do not need all that much lube (couple drops)on them to work properly. I really do not see where it matters what you use as long as it's of good quality. Lately I've been using a Dri Lube on quite a few of my pistols and rifles with some very good results. I've even used it on the M1 Garand. Guns seem to stay a little cleaner and easier to clean when using the Dri Lube when shooting the dirtier practice ammo.

[CJB]

Frog lube? No way... frogs still squeak!

There was a big time shooter back in the 80's that promoted Mobil 1 motor oil for lubing 1911's. I cant remember who it was, but it was "all the rage" back in the day.

Personally - I like to match the wear and stress potential, and the way the parts move, to the lube that is called for. That is - heavier grease on barrrel locking parts (upper and lower parts), very light grease on rails, and perhaps just a light film of "oil" on other moving parts - VERY LIGHT FILM.

Heavy grease du jour - green synthetic marine grease, which sticks like elephant snot to metal and stays put.

Light grease is TW25b, which is more like baby drool than elephant snot

And oil - good ol' venerable Break Free CLP - which doesn't stay put, and also has an evaporating film with time... but it doesn't hold much dirt... so its a trade off.

(EDIT: slide changed to barrel.... my bad... brain not engaged)

[Popeye]

Sometimes I think as gun owners we take ourselves just a little to seriously.:rolleyes: Todays oils and greases are better than ever. The pistols and what there made of are better than ever. Many of us clean and lube our guns after a trip to the range,it's not like we take them into battle where there going to get drug through sand, mud ,blood and brain matter. I can't believe so many buy into all this latest and greatest just got to have or our guns will turn to useless junk marketing ploy hype. Do yourself a favor and buy some ammo with your money, it will serve you better, and will be a lot more fun.;)

I have yet to find anything out there that I can absolutely say is far superior to anything else for the type of shooting I do and how often I clean my guns.

[JimC]

I've been using a combination of TW-25b and FP-10 on all of my firearsm for 20 years or more and have never found the need for anything else.
Is there better out there? Possibly but I'm happy and so are my firearms.

[knkali]

It's not exactly a labor of love, but I kinda like cleaning/lubing my firearms. It reacquaints me with the mechanisms and workings of each firearm. I see and appreciate the inner workings. It helps me recognize malfunctions and their causes.
The universe seems clear and nature is explained. Kumbya.:rolleyes:

That is classic right there :D

[joshh]

for viscosity reasons, the mobil1 is probably hard to beat and i would run it though my ar or any gun the gets cycled quickly and abused. but my e.d.c. PM9 doesnt, and it runs perfectly with eezox dry lube. i read a post about a kahr that likes to run "wet." the only guns i run wet are guns that i am tough on shooting like my ar, 10/22 & mkIII. those guns get a lot of rounds put through them in bunches and sometimes they get pretty heated up.
to me, the appeal of frog lube is that (like eezox) it dries. having a dry lube is a huge plus for a service/carry weapon, not to mention a hunting rifle. i will be trying the frog lube to replace my clp when its gone and hope that it works well enough to replace the eezox too so i only have to keep 1 lube product around. i imagine a bottle will last a long time. i agree that most of these "military grade" products are overkill for what we are doing and in some cases more $ that could be spent elsewhere but then again, a cheapo pistol would probably do the job too, but we paid more for KAHRs because they are better...

[O'Dell]

Sometimes I think as gun owners we take ourselves just a little to seriously.:rolleyes: Todays oils and greases are better than ever. The pistols and what there made of are better than ever. Many of us clean and lube our guns after a trip to the range,it's not like we take them into battle where there going to get drug through sand, mud ,blood and brain matter. I can't believe so many buy into all this latest and greatest just got to have or our guns will turn to useless junk marketing ploy hype. Do yourself a favor and buy some ammo with your money, it will serve you better, and will be a lot more fun.;)

I have yet to find anything out there that I can absolutely say is far superior to anything else for the type of shooting I do and how often I clean my guns.

I agree, Popeye. I always clean and relube my guns after shooting, so just about any oil will work for me. I have a forty year + habit of using grease on the rails, but oil is oil.

[jocko]

no doubt we way over emphase lubing. It is not a art. and as popeye saidk, lubes today are leaps and bounds ahead of what was out there even10 ears ago. If it works wirh whale sperm, go with it. elephant snot I hve not tried, I understand the procedure for whale sperm oil but not the procedure to get elephant snot. But I like to what the tv show called HOW IS IS MADE s. maybe it will be on there someday. Mobil One is a fantastic motory oil so why would it not work great in a gun that the slide maybemoves 3 inches with really pressure to amount to a hill of beans.

I have 24 quarts of Mobil V-Twin in my Harley mancave and 8 quarts of Mobil One 0W-40 for my Porsche and Mercedes:israel: I am ready.

[Bawanna]

If I buy the oil do I get a Porsche? Or a Mercedes. Or even a late model Camaro? Just askin.

[Barth]

I think Kahr recommends Militec-1?
I used it to break in my MK40 and love it.
Now that's what I use with all my guns.
http://www.hirano-tire.co.jp/militec/militec1-1.jpg

[Athensm50]

I will pick some Frog lube up from Amazon.......have some REM Oil...anyone using it?

[joshh]

I will pick some Frog lube up from Amazon.......have some REM Oil...anyone using it?

lets hear a review on the frog. i wanted to pick some up at the recent gun show but the guy was aking $20/ bottle and thats nuts.
i used rem oil for years but too "oily" for my liking so i switched to the stuff that dries.

[Athensm50]

@joshh

Looks like you can pick up the "Paste" on Amazon for about 11 bucks....have to have a brush to apply...but I'm good with that....may order some this weekend.

will post and let you guys know.

[joshh]

@joshh
Looks like you can pick up the "Paste" on Amazon for about 11 bucks....have to have a brush to apply...but I'm good with that....may order some this weekend.
will post and let you guys know.

a guy on another site uses it on his ar's and his sig pistols. he said he prefers the liquid because it spreads easier. curious how well it works for the kahrs so i look forward to your review

[CarlCyrus]

I've been using FP-10 for the last year based on guidance I received from an armorer at one of those combat pistol training courses. They run 20 people through each class and they are all-day classes. Classes go almost all year long, so they have gained a lot of experience with different weapons, calibers, weather conditions, and cleaning/lubricating techniques. They see it all and know what works and what _ALMOST_ works (gives ups at a critical point in the training).

My 1911 was not running real well 100 rounds into the course. Cleaned and lubed with FP-10, and then ran another 900 without a hitch.

So...FP-10 is my go-to lube for all of my weapons.

Carl

[joshh]

I've been using FP-10 for the last year based on guidance I received from an armorer at one of those combat pistol training courses. They run 20 people through each class and they are all-day classes. Classes go almost all year long, so they have gained a lot of experience with different weapons, calibers, weather conditions, and cleaning/lubricating techniques. They see it all and know what works and what _ALMOST_ works (gives ups at a critical point in the training).

My 1911 was not running real well 100 rounds into the course. Cleaned and lubed with FP-10, and then ran another 900 without a hitch.

So...FP-10 is my go-to lube for all of my weapons.

Carl


i have read that fp-10 is a sweet lube, but oily. my carry needs to be dry, and work...

[Athensm50]

got my Frog Lube in from Amazon!

will try to strip and apply this weekend....not sure with this great weather if I will have time ;-) .....WAAAAAAY too much yard work to do!

will try...and let you know.

Athens

[Popeye]

Been using Mobil One V Twin 20/50 in my Harley and on my guns for years. No need to change now.

[joot]

Please post a review of the Frog lube so the rest of us can make a decision....thanks....

[TennSCN]

Breakfree CLP.

I've got to...

I bought a gallon jug in 1993 for $44. I cut it 4:1 with mineral spirits. I've still got almost 4x as much as I bought 20 years ago and don't have a hinge in the house that squeaks.

[Shark1007]

I recently tried froglube and am sold. I ran 100 rounds thru a Sig C3 today and the powder residue wiped right off, it smells good and I like it a lot. I use a hair dryer to heat the metal and it seems to almost soak in a bit. I'm going to stay with the stuff, I gave the grease from the kit to a gunsmith friend and I am ordering more today.

I use it on my CM9 and CW45 also and they smell "minty" if I ever had to stick the muzzle up a bad guy's nose, it would gently clear his sinuses, but not his pants.

[jocko]

Been using Mobil One V Twin 20/50 in my Harley and on my guns for years. No need to change now.

ur a very wise man Popeye. esspecially in the Harley.. I have run Mobil one 15-50 before they ever came out with V-Twin . Now it is V-Twin in both of my harleys and Mobil One in all ofmy vehicles 0W-40 to be exact.

[jeepster09]

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/jeepster09/gunoillube.jpg

[Barth]

Per Hickok45 i've started using Ballistol
http://www.triplek.com/site/img/mod/prod_large/500.jpg