Losing faith?

[warloc1959]

My P45 is my first Kahr. And it may be my last I might not even keep it. I'll take whatever money I can get out of it and by the Glock 36 which I should have done in the first place. While at the range today P45 did everything you would not want a gun to do. I can't depend on it. Slide stop lever comes out first round. Won't feed any hollow points. Instead of picking on this piece of junk, I will instead say------- "SHAME! On you Karh Arms for allowing this to go on. I shouldn't have to send any gun back because is is a POS! There. Said it. Oh well. At least I have my old trust worthy Glock 26, Kimber Ultra Eclipse, and Xd(M) 3.8 .40 cal. Oh! Come to think of it! All my other guns performed flawlessly right out of the box. 500 rounds through the Kahr. 500 aggravating rounds that is.

[TheTman]

Give Kahr a chance to make it right. My CW45 wouldn't reset the trigger after firing it, so I sent it in to Kahr, on their dime, and they had it back to me working perfectly in exactly 7 days. Haven't had a problem with it since.

[knkali]

I hear you and I have felt your pain too. I know you are a shooter but I found with my P40 that 90% of the problems were from me. My mits were all over this gun and causing malfunctions. Also I found you have to really hold on them too or FTF will occur. I dont consider my P40 a good range gun because I get tired quickly from shooting it and the problems start.

Please give us details on what the gun does or doesnt do and I know guys here can help.

The slide lock lever could be something as simple as tightening the torx screw that holds the little spring in place on the frame. Do not over tighten or you will strip it though. Also did you prep this gun as per the sticky in the general section? IT does make a diff.

Basically most agree that they should run well out of the box but these guns need a little TLC first before throwing in the towel. You have a lot of firepower in a very small package that keeps reminding me how nice that is when I carry it around all day and it doesnt feel like an anchor by the end of the day or when I dress up and holster it and it doesnt stick out screaming "GUN".

[jocko]

sure is nice to see a new poster come on here with such a great positive attitude. Makes me really want to bend over backwards to help him, but I think I will pass..

Buy a flawless glock and enjoy it!!!

[OldLincoln]

Welcome to the forum WarLoc! That's quite a first post with frustration abounding.

Kahrs require break in as do most new guns no matter the price point. However you cannot just carry it to the range and start shooting expecting positive results. We have a thread in Kahr-Tech called Proper Prep of your new Kahr. It includes instruction for the initial cleaning and a lube chart showing critical areas requiring lube - before the first shots. Hand racking is also urged to get the very first rubbing of metal to metal done.

Kahrs are very tight fitting and generate a lot of friction during break in which slows down the slide causing numerous feed fails. Properly cleaned and lubed generally takes care of that. Other issues can be caused by limp wristing which is obvious if your support hand comes off the grip when shooting.

Finally, don't attempt breakin with weak range ammo. It doesn't have to be SD rounds but at least try a box of excellent factory ammo. If all is failing and that corrects it you will know.

I do hope you follow up with all this and try again. Be sure to let us know how it goes.

[MW surveyor]

So warloc, tell us how you really feel.

Hey, I noticed that you don't have a S&W. I just bought my second S&W and while the gun shoots there is a potential life altering problem with the gun. It is going back to S&W tomorrow or within the next few days for them to make it right. Did I call it a POS, no, did I rant, no, just tried to find out WTH. I did not find out the actual problem with the exception of being able to load a 357 into a 38 Special cylinder. S&W definitely wants to see the gun, in fact their upper management wants to see the gun.

So will you post the same on multiple forums? Or try to find out exactly what the problem is?

[Longitude Zero]

sure is nice to see a new poster come on here with such a great positive attitude. Makes me really want to bend over backwards to help him, but I think I will pass..

Buy a flawless glock and enjoy it!!!

Just what I was thinking. I wonder how much if any experience he has previous to this with a semi auto. warloc I have seen out of the box Glocks with missing pieces. So NO firearm company is perfect all the time.

[CJB]

Can only say Kahr replaced a frame and slide for me, all expenses theirs, and the pistol has been 100 percent flawless since. PM45 it was. Based on that, I bought another, used, and a PM9j used. Both, all three actually, function flawlessly.

The motto I got for you Warloc is that shooters may give up on Kahr, but Kahr does not give up on shooters. You bought a world class "sportscar" of concealed carry, it may need a little tweakage.

The slide stop coming out - the spring for that not all that easy to mess up, but if you do... its gonna do that. Kahr will make it right. Feeding... mine does hollow points, but I choose to carry FMJ. I've found the Kahr sort of prefers short rounds, will not tolerate anything even a slight bit longer than it should be, especially compared to 1911's which like long rounds. Go figure.

[MLESa7990]

Useful post. Thanks for contributing!

[jocko]

way to much time spend on this guy, IMO not worth it, he will peddle the POS and move on off this forum and then maybe we can get down to what this forum was started for. To help shooters who come here with the right attitude for help and advice, for we do admit kahr's are not issue immune, course my fantastic G19 had to go back once and I sure don't have any ill feelings about it either and I paid to send it back by the way.Sh-t happens

[csman22]

Do you want the awesome p45 to work for you? I mean...do you want that great carry platform? Yes or no? If not - i 2nd what Jocko said. There's no excuse for Kahr but the reality is...the world is not a perfect place and nor are any products or services for that matter. Take every mfg of guns (or any other product) and there is a poor first time experience for someone because of poor assembly or parts. And so... because not every aspect of mfg is under control of the Mfg...products have a warranties...for exact good reason. To whisper your immediate pain to the internet as a course of action will not get you your solution. However, on this board you can get help (or sympathy) because there are some great contributors here. But..you have not asked for help. Hence, I 2nd what Jocko said. Move on.

If the answer is "Yes...I want one of the industries the best cary gun on the market" then take a deep breath, cam down...and realize that others in the world have worse problems in life, and *take action* to get it fixed or replaced as you are entitled to do so. At this point in time..only you have the ability to fix the problem. So...sell it...or service it.

What would I do...call Kahr, take pics, send it back to Kahr and get service. Or sell it an get another gun. The design of all Kahrs are proven but not every single Kahr is *built* perfect. Nor is any other (insert any product here) Deal with it...or sell it.

I'm looking forward to a TP45 soon and...if it performs as expected - great! If not - I deal with it and make Kahr deal with it. It will work because there are way to many happy Kahr folks but.. if it does not...I'm confident I have a solid warranty to make it so.

This is my rant of the day and it's for anyone who has ever had a poor first time (insert product ) experience.

[knkali]

Wow tough group here. The forum is a solid group of people here and I am proud to be able to be a part of it. If I sold my Kahr I would probably still post here if allowed. Please guys, lets show more patience and compassion and not be like so many of the other unwelcoming myopic gun boards out there.

[Bawanna]

Wow tough group here. The forum is a solid group of people here and I am proud to be able to be a part of it. If I sold my Kahr I would probably still post here if allowed. Please guys, lets show more patience and compassion and not be like so many of the other unwelcoming myopic gun boards out there.

Exactly what he said.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[josp]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. My P45 runs flawlessly and shoots into one ragged hole at 21'. I have a PM9 that has always been perfect, and a P380 that will choke on cheap Russian ammo, which I only practice with.
I had a CW40 that needed to go back to make it right. Have also sent back Glocks, Taurus, Beretta, Wather, and Smiths before. Only the Taurus was garbage, but they made me whole when I gave them a chance.
I work at a local gun store with an indoor range so I see a lot of broken guns. Most companies will fix them at little or no cost.
My wife's Chrysler is a POS, but that's another story.

[arloc1959]

Couldn't wait to see how bad I'd get beat up here. LOL.. Went ahead and requested a return# from Kahr. Going to give them a crack at it before I decide what to do with it. Just hard to accept such trouble from such an expensive gun. Especially since I have thousands of rounds through my G26, Kimber, and my XD(M) with notta one issue ... And my getting ragged by one of the other instructors (whom I spanked last combat pistol match with my XD) was no fun LOL...So yeah my first impression is that of disbelief... But maybe Kahr can change that. I'll only repost an update if it is positive. Thx guy's.

[arloc1959]

Oh! Forgot to mention those of us on the range today (including a gunsmith) agree that the Kahr magazines are really shoddy. This business about loading the first round? Come on. In my business this gun would never be approved for carry. Just the facts ma'am..

[Bawanna]

Oh! Forgot to mention those of us on the range today (including a gunsmith) agree that the Kahr magazines are really shoddy. This business about loading the first round? Come on. In my business this gun would never be approved for carry. Just the facts ma'am..

Think of the first round business as a safety margin. If you sling shot properly and don't ride the slide especially when new it will work every time.
A lot of folks that buy these new guns don't have much experience and they will have issues. So Kahr addresses it from the get go so the new inexperienced shooters have a fair chance.

Like many things now days, think of it as a suggestion not Moses stone tablets.

[JimC]

My P45 is my first Kahr. And it may be my last I might not even keep it. I'll take whatever money I can get out of it and by the Glock 36 which I should have done in the first place. While at the range today P45 did everything you would not want a gun to do. I can't depend on it. Slide stop lever comes out first round. Won't feed any hollow points. Instead of picking on this piece of junk, I will instead say------- "SHAME! On you Karh Arms for allowing this to go on. I shouldn't have to send any gun back because is is a POS! There. Said it. Oh well. At least I have my old trust worthy Glock 26, Kimber Ultra Eclipse, and Xd(M) 3.8 .40 cal. Oh! Come to think of it! All my other guns performed flawlessly right out of the box. 500 rounds through the Kahr. 500 aggravating rounds that is.

Good first post and I give you a lot of credit for coming here and calling it the way it is with your pistol.
It can be a tough crowd here because so many see the numerous Kahr Arms issues thru rose colored glasses. ;)

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As some have recommended, and so will I, contact Kahr CS and give them a chance to make your pistol right. Don't put much stock into Internet, arm-chair gunsmiths. :eek:
Re: Glock 36. I don't own one but know shooters that do. I've fired the G36 a few times. Yes, the are 100% right out of the box and Glock makes very good magazines for their pistols that won't split on you when you definitely don't want them to.

[hpg]

Did you do the cleaning as described in the Kahr Tech section? It DOES matter...hpg

[jocko]

arloc u outta peddle the gun as ur last post yet is istill bit-hing about now loading the first round.

Couldn't wait to see how bad I'd get beat up here. LOL: Now that quote of urs to me sounds like u wanna come here and have a fight. U got a gun with issues, u didn't ask for any suggestions, u just came here and bi-ched from post one . What do u expect? SYMPATHY. U will find that some where in the dictionary between sh-t and syphllis. Indeed glocks are good guns, thats why the Indiana State police sent all 1200 of their G22 back in exhannge for G17 and now alot of those are back at glock for issues.

U got one perrson here that feels u did perfect by posting your post here, I think most feel you came here with a heart on and that will get u most of the time nowhere... as this is a mostly male forum

Kahr will fix it but IMO u should peddle the gun and go back to your trusty glock, they are good guns, I think they callum GLOCK PERFECTION. and indeed their magazines don't break either, course 99% of all kahrs don't either, but it happens, so\hell, lets close kahr down over it... Amazes me everyone seemsto compare their guns to glocks, why not just stay with glocks kand leave these POS other guns to us . Kimbers, now there is a real laugh, read their fourm, far far far more disgruntled owners there than any gun forum out there, but when u get a good one, most will swear by them and when they get a bad one most will swear at them.

Two different sign ons sure spells troll to me but heh what do I know I own a KAHR, and I guess I see everything through Rose colored glasses as some idiot posted.:israel: I to tend to feed trolls way to long.I have been told by PM a few times to just ignore trolls and they soon go away, so for this guy I will pay attention to that report to me

[Thunder71]

I'll start the bid at $100.

I personally love returned Kahr's, saves me money. :)

[Longitude Zero]

Indeed glocks are good guns, thats why the Indiana State police sent all 1200 of their G22 back in exhannge for G17 and now alot of those are back at glock for issues.

My dept had to do the same thing as the Glocks were severely malfunctioning with a Glock recommened mounted light on them. Glock is good but FAR from perfect.

I don't know what "business" you are involved in but the "facts" are hundreds of police departments that authorize/allow Kahrs for both on/off duty carry and collectively they are way smarter than any group "at the range".

It was your urinary poor attitude on your first post that turned off folks here. Let that be your lesson learned.

[Popeye]

First let me say I hope you get your gun fixed. You kind of have me wondering though if your some sort of internet troll though as you never gave anyone a chance to help you just complaining about your new as you put it POS. Then you come on here again with an LOL saying you were wondering how bad you would get beat up? To me that sounds Troll like and you wanted to stir the pot from the very begining. Then you want to talk about the shoody mags that others in your group have claimed to be shoddy. I've never had a problem with mine. Dude it seems like you have your mind made up and no matter what is done your not going to like Kahr pistols as there not Glocks. Maybe your right you should get rid of the POS. and buy more Glocks. Gastons nurse/wife I'm sure could use the money. Just be careful the brass doesn't hit you in the face. However if you really want to give the gun and Kahr a chance to make things right then welcome to the forum.

[Sap]

What's with having 2 screen names? Warloc or arloc? You're a troll

[Bawanna]

What's with having 2 screen names? Warloc or arloc? You're a troll

I noticed that too but thought there was a slight chance it was two different people. I think your right though.

I actually have 3 I'm bawanna, jocko and wyntrout. Only way I could pick and choose my fights.

Gotta go send myself another horsehead and then fix dinner for wifey, she gets moody when she's hungry after a nap of course so I can stay up and turn on the tv.