New guy here

[Antriess]

I just bought my first pistol which just so happens to be a Kahr TP9. It is a used gun that looks brand new. The cost was $449 which I think is pretty good. The funny thing is that the grip seems smaller than the TP9 grip listed on the Kahr website. Does anyone know why that might be?

I'm in good old New York state so I actually have to wait a few months before I can even take it home :(. I should have snapped a picture before leaving the shop to show you guys.

Anyways, just wanted to say hi and get that one question answered. Thanks!

[Bawanna]

"A FEW MONTHS":eek:!!! Seek councilling my friend. We'll try to help you get through this trying time any way we can but man A FEW MONTHS:eek:.

[jocko]

I just bought my first pistol which just so happens to be a Kahr TP9. It is a used gun that looks brand new. The cost was $449 which I think is pretty good. The funny thing is that the grip seems smaller than the TP9 grip listed on the Kahr website. Does anyone know why that might be?

I'm in good old New York state so I actually have to wait a few months before I can even take it home :(. I should have snapped a picture before leaving the shop to show you guys.

Anyways, just wanted to say hi and get that one question answered. Thanks!

first of all welcome to the forum, u are a very fortunate poster. as ur first reply was from the grand poo-bah himself. He normally doesn't address newbies until they become oldies. I have over 400 posts here and he has never ever addressed me. Now he has dressed me down with some PM's but that is another point.

Ur tp9 i9s probably just like in the photo, photos can be misinterpreted, but also quite possably your tp9 has been coverted. Chopped down to a shorter grip and there for a shorter magazine, which personally if that is true, u got a real dandy TP9..

Now also a welcome from ol jocko goes a long way on this forum, just ask the other a-holes and they will confirm that:p When jocko speaks, absolutley positively NO ONE LISTENS.

[Antriess]

"A FEW MONTHS":eek:!!! Seek councilling my friend. We'll try to help you get through this trying time any way we can but man A FEW MONTHS:eek:.

Yeah tell me about it. In my county I have to buy the pistol before I can even submit the paperwork for my permit. How much sense does that make? The local judge can then take up to 6 months to issue the permit.

[Antriess]

first of all welcome to the forum, u are a very fortunate poster. as ur first reply was from the grand poo-bah himself. He normally doesn't address newbies until they become oldies. I have over 400 posts here and he has never ever addressed me. Now he has dressed me down with some PM's but that is another point.

Ur tp9 i9s probably just like in the photo, photos can be misinterpreted, but also quite possably your tp9 has been coverted. Chopped down to a shorter grip and there for a shorter magazine, which personally if that is true, u got a real dandy TP9..

Now also a welcome from ol jocko goes a long way on this forum, just ask the other a-holes and they will confirm that:p When jocko speaks, absolutley positively NO ONE LISTENS.



Interesting. I just found this link --> http://unreadbits.blogspot.com/2006/03/kahr-tp9-review.html
Look at the Update at the bottom. He talks about how the grip length has been increased by .5 within the past few years or so. It looks like I may have gotten a TP9 with the P9 sized grip but with of course the longer slide.

[Bawanna]

Yeah tell me about it. In my county I have to buy the pistol before I can even submit the paperwork for my permit. How much sense does that make? The local judge can then take up to 6 months to issue the permit.

Three words pal. Bekins Moving & Storage. (Well technically maybe 4 words since the & would probably be considered a word)

If I'm not mistaken getting the permit is not a for sure thing anyhow is it. What if they decline. Do you still get to keep the gun, just not carry it, load it, or hold it with ill intent.

I generally don't offer this to folks from New York city, home of the fake picante sauce but we got room for a few more folks here in Washington, course if we got rid of all the cry baby left leaners we'd have a lot more room. It's a far piece but come on out. Buy and pickup your gun same day, permit in 3 to 7 days depending on your location. No association to a particular gun so the permit is good for anything that spits lead.

We'll leave the light on for ya.

Gotta go dress down Jocko some more on the PM. A burr under my saddle that one. 400 measly post and he thinks he owns the joint. Truth is in the early days we all started out with 100,000 post and counted backwards. So you can see he's down to about 400. I'm down to 10 or 11,000. I'm not sure what happens when you hit zero but I'm sure it's a life changing experience.

[muggsy]

Yeah tell me about it. In my county I have to buy the pistol before I can even submit the paperwork for my permit. How much sense does that make? The local judge can then take up to 6 months to issue the permit.

Holy crap! I had to wait a whole five minutes for my background check to clear. Took me longer to fill out the form. Seriously, you people in New York have to start voting out those socialist democrat politicians, or start calling your state the People's Republic of New York. :)

[muggsy]

Three words pal. Bekins Moving & Storage. (Well technically maybe 4 words since the & would probably be considered a word)

If I'm not mistaken getting the permit is not a for sure thing anyhow is it. What if they decline. Do you still get to keep the gun, just not carry it, load it, or hold it with ill intent.

I generally don't offer this to folks from New York city, home of the fake picante sauce but we got room for a few more folks here in Washington, course if we got rid of all the cry baby left leaners we'd have a lot more room. It's a far piece but come on out. Buy and pickup your gun same day, permit in 3 to 7 days depending on your location. No association to a particular gun so the permit is good for anything that spits lead.

We'll leave the light on for ya.

Gotta go dress down Jocko some more on the PM. A burr under my saddle that one. 400 measly post and he thinks he owns the joint. Truth is in the early days we all started out with 100,000 post and counted backwards. So you can see he's down to about 400. I'm down to 10 or 11,000. I'm not sure what happens when you hit zero but I'm sure it's a life changing experience.

The only good thing to come out of Washington State are delicious apples and my Navy Grips. :D

[Antriess]

Three words pal. Bekins Moving & Storage. (Well technically maybe 4 words since the & would probably be considered a word)

If I'm not mistaken getting the permit is not a for sure thing anyhow is it. What if they decline. Do you still get to keep the gun, just not carry it, load it, or hold it with ill intent.

I generally don't offer this to folks from New York city, home of the fake picante sauce but we got room for a few more folks here in Washington, course if we got rid of all the cry baby left leaners we'd have a lot more room. It's a far piece but come on out. Buy and pickup your gun same day, permit in 3 to 7 days depending on your location. No association to a particular gun so the permit is good for anything that spits lead.

We'll leave the light on for ya.

Gotta go dress down Jocko some more on the PM. A burr under my saddle that one. 400 measly post and he thinks he owns the joint. Truth is in the early days we all started out with 100,000 post and counted backwards. So you can see he's down to about 400. I'm down to 10 or 11,000. I'm not sure what happens when you hit zero but I'm sure it's a life changing experience.

Ahh so typical from people not from the North East. You do know that New York is more than just one big city, right? :) I live way up in the country about 4 hours from New York city. Actually, residents of New York City aren't even allowed to own a hand gun in the city. That's really not right since it's a high crime area and one would be more likely to need it there. Mayor Bloomberg is very anti gun.

But you are right on the fact that they could deny me completely. The judge is either required to give me a permit with 6 months OR tell me why I can't have one, however they would need a good reason for that (like an arrest or drug problem) of which I have none.

Last year my buddy applied for his pistol permit and it took 4.5 months to get it. That was with the old judge and I'm told the new judge is more conservative. Crossing my fingers!

[TheTman]

WTF??? A FEW MONTHS??? I thought it was just NYC that was crazy, didn't know it affected the whole state. My sympathies my friend, and welcome to the forum.
The local "big city" (about the size of Albany) issued a decree we had to wait 7 days before taking a gun home. We created such an uproar that the Mayor and his cronies were ousted in the next election and order was restored. In the meantime, gun shops outside of the city limits and in neighboring counties was booming. Thankfully the bigger gun shows took place out in the county, where the 7 day waiting period wasn't required. Cars kill many more people than guns do, do you have to wait months to get a car too? Naw, cause they don't have a mind of their own and jump out of the safe and start killing people. In the immortal words of John Denver "Thank God Im a Country Boy" and live in "flyover country".

[jocko]

course everyone knows that califronia and new york are communist owned,not really one of our Amiericn 57 states. (thats what Obama said we had)

[Bawanna]

Ahh so typical from people not from the North East. You do know that New York is more than just one big city, right? :) I live way up in the country about 4 hours from New York city. Actually, residents of New York City aren't even allowed to own a hand gun in the city. That's really not right since it's a high crime area and one would be more likely to need it there. Mayor Bloomberg is very anti gun.

But you are right on the fact that they could deny me completely. The judge is either required to give me a permit with 6 months OR tell me why I can't have one, however they would need a good reason for that (like an arrest or drug problem) of which I have none.

Last year my buddy applied for his pistol permit and it took 4.5 months to get it. That was with the old judge and I'm told the new judge is more conservative. Crossing my fingers!

I think you nailed it. I think New York, I think New York city and don't picture it as a state. Hard to put country side and New York in the same sentence. Furthest east I ever been was when I crossed the river into Illinois from Hannibal for catfish dinner long long ago.

I'd like to see some of the historic sites on your side of the country but probably won't ever happen. Love to visit some of the old battlefields and memorials and see the White House in person when Obummer ain't around that is. Who needs temptations ya know?

We'll cross our fingers for you and still maintain that there's better places to live free, maybe no place perfect but I ain't waiting several months for a new gun. Just ain't gonna happen. Time is precious and the clock is ticking.

[jocko]

been to quite a few Harley rallies in Hannibal. nice little town,

[Bawanna]

been to quite a few Harley rallies in Hannibal. nice little town,

Haven't been there in 25 or 30 years but I liked it a lot back then. Wouldn't mind having a few acres someplace in that area. I'm actually gonna start looking around. I got lots of relatives in MO that would help check things out. I know John and Justin would love to have me as a neighbor, but I want a little space so I can shoot off my back porch. Not shoot the porch off the house but sit on the porch and shoot at stuff not on the porch if you follow the flow of my stream.

[Antriess]

I think you nailed it. I think New York, I think New York city and don't picture it as a state. Hard to put country side and New York in the same sentence. Furthest east I ever been was when I crossed the river into Illinois from Hannibal for catfish dinner long long ago.

I'd like to see some of the historic sites on your side of the country but probably won't ever happen. Love to visit some of the old battlefields and memorials and see the White House in person when Obummer ain't around that is. Who needs temptations ya know?

We'll cross our fingers for you and still maintain that there's better places to live free, maybe no place perfect but I ain't waiting several months for a new gun. Just ain't gonna happen. Time is precious and the clock is ticking.

It's ok, you aren't the first and you won't be the last :). I live near Saratoga Springs and we have a pretty cool battlefield area from the Revolutionary War. They called the Battle of Saratoga one of the turning points of the war. Also about 1 hour north we have Fort William Henry which is on Lake George in the Adirondack park. Fort William Henry was the site of some battles during the French and Indian war and I just so happen to be getting married inside the fort this summer!

We've toyed with moving but it's hard because we are both family orientated people and all our family lives in this area.

You wouldn't think it, but Vermont is actually very pro 2nd amendment. You can walk into a gun shop at age 18 and buy a pistol and walk out carrying it. No permits required. Vermont is only an hour from me so maybe we will move there some day.

[Tinman507]

Bawanna,

Anytime you decide you wanna see the Birthplace of Liberty, you let me know. You're welcome here anytime and I will show you the sights. Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, Betsy Ross's House, etc.

Say the word, Boss. We'll get the red carpet out for ya.

[Bawanna]

Shows my ignorance, I thought Saratoga was down on the Gulf. That fort and them battle fields are just the things I'd love to wander through and soak up the history. Send me a wedding invite and you never know I just might show up. Let me know if your registered, I'd of course want to bring a gift. Would a couple cases of ammo be appropriate? Maybe pictures of the bride first might help.
Tinman, thanks for the gracious offer. If I ever get back that way you'll be my #1 tour guide for sure.
I can't grasp everyone wanting to travel all over the world when we have so many incredible things to see right here.

[MikeyKahr]

Sarasota!!

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[Popeye]

Welcome to the site. We'll get you through the wait as best we can.;)

[KMA]

Welcome to the forum and congrats on the TP9.

[Antriess]

Hey guys,

Just visited the gun shop with a friend so we could fondle my Kahr. It's been over a month since I posted this thread and I'm still waiting on that permit and probably have another 4 months to go.

Anyway, I ask the guy to see my TP9 with the factory shortened grip. He went in the back room to get it and I see a used K9 right in front of me. The price was $599 so $150 more than the TP9 (which was also used). After I held that beautiful stainless K9 I just had to have it. I was really surprised to feel that the weight difference really wasn't that much.

The guys at the shop let me switch my purchase to the K9 and I don't even have to pay the $150 difference until I pick up the pistol :). I see these going between $500-$650 on GB.c so $600 seems like a good deal to me. The K9 looks great, feels great, and I love it. So happy that I switched.

[jocko]

Heh "Q" me in here, why do u have to wait 4 months to get this gun, can u not buy it and take it home without a permit. where do u live???

[lowroad]

In new york, you need a permit to own a handgun period. Not to carry, to purchase. You need to gather references in your area of residence, they have to sign for you, and you wait, and wait, and wait. Carrying is yet another permit. You pretty much need a valid reason, business owner etc.. to get that. I suppose it may depend on you area of jurisdiction. I lived in Buffalo, so forget it.
Otherwise, without a "carry permit" you aren't even supposed to have the thing in your car unless you are on your way to a range. That's the whole state. In most of new york city, you can't legally own a handgun period. Exceptions are again made for business owners, stuff like that, but just wanting a gun doesn't constitute "need" for one there. They determine who "needs" one. That works out great because then only criminals have them. Leaving that state was the best thing I ever did.

Here in New Mexico, we are an open carry state, everyone and their brother can carry open, anywhere but federal buildings and bars basically. You can carry legally in your car here as it is considered and extension of one's home. You need a permit to carry concealed only and it's relatively painless to get.

[jocko]

figures, NY and komifornia probalby to peas in a pod... a shame, good guy waits while the BG runs wild.

[lowroad]

figures, NY and komifornia probalby to peas in a pod... a shame, good guy waits while the BG runs wild.

They are about the same in terms of ridiculous laws, especially in regards to guns, yes.

[Dmitri]

Holy mother of... Here in GA it's "up to 45 days" to get you CCL! But to buy a gun -- you just walk into the store, fill out a form and the guy makes a background check right there on the phone, and in about 20 minutes you walk out with a brand new awesome little Kahr. :-) (and if you already have a CCL, then things move along with even less trouble/faster.) I don't think I'm ever gonna move.

Best of luck man, hope you get it soon!

[Antriess]

Well said lowroad. We have a tough time here in NY state. Even worse, each county can make their own rules regarding how they give permits. The county judge is the one single person that can deny you your pistol permit for any reason. One guy has that power!

In my county we just elected a new judge a few months ago (another democrat of course). I've talked to a few police officers that I know and nobody has a beat on how this new Judge works things yet. Last year, with the old judge, my friend had to wait 5.5 months for his permit and legally they have 6 months to tell you yes or no. I'm told the old judge would just let the permit application sit on his desk until the last minute before he had to say yes or no.

2 of my 4 references include a sheriff and an Iraq vet so hopefully that will count towards something. Even with that I can only apply for "Possess on premises, hunting and target only" which means that technically I can only keep my gun on my own property unless I am traveling to and from the range or take it hunting. I spoke with my sheriff friend and he says that in reality the police officers don't bother you much even if you carry your pistol without a CCW. A lot of folks in this state just carry their pistols even without a CCW and I'm told that if you get caught it's just an administrative fine, not a criminal offense. Not recommending this to anyone, it's just what I've heard.

[kgturner]

Man, 6 months is ridiculous just to purchase a gun. There no "real" waiting to purchase firearms where I live. Just the time it takes to do the background check over the phone. For conceal carry, it isn't much different either. It literally took me 15 minutes to get my CC permit from the Sheriffs Dept. That's parking, walking in, filling out form, pay $20, background check, photo, print ID card, walk out, get in my car, and check the time...15 minutes. Now granted, maybe it was a slow day, but still. Of course I live in Alabama so there's that.

Kevin T

[Antriess]

Holy mother of... Here in GA it's "up to 45 days" to get you CCL! But to buy a gun -- you just walk into the store, fill out a form and the guy makes a background check right there on the phone, and in about 20 minutes you walk out with a brand new awesome little Kahr. :-) (and if you already have a CCL, then things move along with even less trouble/faster.) I don't think I'm ever gonna move.

Best of luck man, hope you get it soon!

Ugh that makes me so bummed out to live in New York. I'd love to move to a different state (Vermont is one of the most gun friendly states and right next door) but all mine and my wife's family lives here and we like being close by. Still pushing her move to Vermont. It's only 45 minutes away. Vermont lets anyone buy a pistol on the spot and carry it out the door. No CCW required in vermont.

[lowroad]

Yep, I can just walk into sportsman's warehouse or wherever now and literally walk out with a handgun after showing my driver's license and a 5 minute form and brady bunch phone call. AND I HAVE!

[Antriess]

Yep, I can just walk into sportsman's warehouse or wherever now and literally walk out with a handgun after showing my driver's license and a 5 minute form and brady bunch phone call. AND I HAVE!

Should be that way here too but unfortunately the state has just become far too liberal.

Long guns are a different story. I can walk into a shop and walked out with a rifle after a quick background check. Only a pistol requires the paperwork and long wait.

Ok enough about the crappy NY laws. Let's talk about how awesome my switch is from the TP9 to the K9!

[lowroad]

K9 is cool!!!

[kgturner]

I like dogs. I have two.

Kevin T

[Russ]

I just bought my first pistol which just so happens to be a Kahr TP9. It is a used gun that looks brand new. The cost was $449 which I think is pretty good. The funny thing is that the grip seems smaller than the TP9 grip listed on the Kahr website. Does anyone know why that might be?

I'm in good old New York state so I actually have to wait a few months before I can even take it home :(. I should have snapped a picture before leaving the shop to show you guys.

Anyways, just wanted to say hi and get that one question answered. Thanks!

Antriess:

Not trying to rub it in but Utah isn't New York.

In Utah with my concealed permit I can pack at the State Capital, state owned buildings except secure areas (i.e, jail, secure areas of a police dept, airports) banks, hospitals (except mental) public schools, state owned universities, colleges, State Parks and Federal Parks located in Utah are ok (Thanks George Bush but this is tricky because you can't enter any buildings in the federal park).

Private businesses can post signs but you can't be charged criminal if you refuse to leave when asked you can be charged for trespassing. (Another reason to conceal over open carry) The only exception is my place of worship and federal buildings (I hope no one goes postal on me when I visit the post office for my annual visit for stamps. Email is a wonderful option.)

I hope it works out for you, however if you need a change you are always welcome in my home state Utah. We have great snow skiing, hunting/camping, hiking, river rafting, fishing, water skiing.

Utah is also a right to work state which I believe is one reason we have a very strong economy. Utah government is currently operating with a surplus and our political system is also very conservative.

Russ

[kgturner]

(Thanks George Bush but this is tricky because you can't enter any buildings in the federal park).

I think Bush may have started the ball rolling on this, but ultimately conceal carry in national parks was an amendment tacked onto the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights Act of 2009 which passed the House and Senate and was signed by President Obama. So Bush may have had the idea, but Obama made it law.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2009/05/20/credit-card-bill-allows-guns-in-national-parks.htm

Kevin T

[Antriess]

I have quite a few colleagues that work remotely in Utah. I love Utah and spent about 2 weeks there last summer on a cross country road tip / ATV adventure. Marysvalle and Moab were two of my favorite places on the entire trip. This 4th of July week I'll be in SLC for our company retreat. Looking forward to it!

[tv_racin_fan]

Good on ya to swap from the TP9 to the K9 (I suppose). I really like my K9s!

[tilefish]

I am originally from NY. I never even tried to get a permit up there. Here in NC I just present my CCW permit and that's it. No waiting for phone calls to NICS.

[Russ]

I have quite a few colleagues that work remotely in Utah. I love Utah and spent about 2 weeks there last summer on a cross country road tip / ATV adventure. Marysvalle and Moab were two of my favorite places on the entire trip. This 4th of July week I'll be in SLC for our company retreat. Looking forward to it!

Antriess

Moab is a beautiful place.

I live 30 minutes North of Salt Lake City.

If you get a chance a tram ride at Snowbird ski resort in the summer is a lot of fun and the Alpine Slide at Park City ski resort will get your heart racing. A little pricey but fun steering a sled down a steep mountain slide.

Russ

P.S. July 4th week will be little packed on the lakes but send me a private message if you and up to 4 others would be interested in an early morning water skiing trip at Pineview Reservoir (1 hour North of Salt Lake City ) I'll provide the boat life jackets skis tubes.

[Antriess]

Still waiting on that permit :(

[jocko]

Antriess

Moab is a beautiful place.

I live 30 minutes North of Salt Lake City.

If you get a chance a tram ride at Snowbird ski resort in the summer is a lot of fun and the Alpine Slide at Park City ski resort will get your heart racing. A little pricey but fun steering a sled down a steep mountain slide.

Russ

P.S. July 4th week will be little packed on the lakes but send me a private message if you and up to 4 others would be interested in an early morning water skiing trip at Pineview Reservoir (1 hour North of Salt Lake City ) I'll provide the boat life jackets skis tubes.

hunted in Moab, Utah, with the great Willis Butolph and Rex Peterson, spent 3 weeks there in Febrauar. Lotts snow if I recall back that far

[DeaconKC]

Antriess, that wait is more screwed up than Jocko's Dictionary.