Awful range report

[Ognimalf]

Bought my CW45 on Thursday morning and prepped it that night. I racked the slide over 500 times, cleaned and lubed it exactly how the sticky instructs. Took it to the range this afternoon and ran a 50rd box of Remington 230gr FMJ thru it with terrible results. After the first twenty rounds the slide stop lever kept walking out of the frame, which caused the CW45 to jam every 2 to 3 rounds. I'll contact Kahr first thing Monday morning and hopefully we can get this problem solved, because I really like my CW45. I don't think it is worthy of a photograph at this moment but I'll post one just for thread sake.

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb422/Pluto-Shale/66262ded.jpg

[Bill K]

That certainly is a bummer. It does sound though like something that can be easily fixed. Maybe Kahr will just need to send you a part?

[gunmut]

You didn't get the slide stop in the right way. the little spring that holds the slide stop in place should be under the slide stop not on top.

Hope this helps

[CJB]

The front loop of the slide stop SPRING will engage the slide stops groove on the pin itself, and keep the pin (and stop) from walking out.

Get a #6 Torx driver (tiny) and gently see if the screw that holds the retainer and spring is loose... or if the screw needs to be loosened so the spring can be slightly relocated and set in its place to hold the pin from walking out. When set right, the slide stop should faintly "click" as its set into position, because the spring will snap into the groove.


DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN the screw... just snug enuf to hold things in place. Once set, it should remain so for a long period (maybe forever or until you loosen yourself).

[Ognimalf]

gunmut: I just checked and the spring is in its correct position. The slide stop feels like the hole in the frame may have been made a little bigger in diameter than the slide stop.

[Ognimalf]

CJB: I'm going to try that now and see what happens, thanks!

gunmut: Thanks to you as well!

[whitemule]

Sorry to hear you had an initial bad experience. As others note, it may be the slide stop spring. I'm not saying you did something wrong when reassembling it after cleaning, but it is fairly easy to mangle or bend the slide stop pin if one is unfamiliar with Kahrs. I did it the second time I cleaned my CW40 and turned it into a single shot pistol. The Kahr website recommends that when reassembling you insert your slide stop pin 3/4 of the way at the 4:00 o'clock position and slowly rotate it to the 3:00 o'clock position before pushing it completely through. Then you should hear that faint "click" that CJB mentioned. If in doubt, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cZgVg_SwA for a good tutorial. Good luck, stick with it and you won't be sorry, Kahrs are great guns.

[TriggerMan]

CJB: I'm going to try that now and see what happens, thanks!

gunmut: Thanks to you as well!
Be glad you got the retail version with the Torx driver set, a Dremel tool and a vise grip. Here's hoping you only need the Torx. :D

[rb288]

I'll bet you just need to snug the slide stop screw down a bit.
When I got my CW45, it was loose and I could move both sides of the spring.
Look at the Kahr-Tech forum to show you how it should be.
I snugged mine up so that it acted like 2 separate springs (I could move one side without the other side moving) and I haven't had an issue since.
Just be careful and don't tighten it up to much and strip it out, that's not good.

[JFootin]

Go here, click on the Downloads tab and check out the Take Down Vide[/URL]o: [URL]http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW45.asp (http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW45.asp). Pay special attention to how to put the Slide Stop Pin back in.
(http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW45.asp)

[gunmut]

gunmut: I just checked and the spring is in its correct position. The slide stop feels like the hole in the frame may have been made a little bigger in diameter than the slide stop.
It was a guess on my part; don't ask me how I know about this issue:rolleyes:
Not sure about the hole being out of spec; that is one I have not seen before....Good luck and your best bet may be to send the CW back in for service.

[Ognimalf]

I looked in my tool shed and a torx screwdriver is the one thing I don't have when I need it. It's definitely going back to Kahr because like I said, I am enjoying the CW45. Thanks for all the help and advice that I received from you guys!!!! I will give you guys an update on Monday morning.

[JFootin]

It was a guess on my part; don't ask me how I know about this issue:rolleyes:
Not sure about the hole being out of spec; that is one I have not seen before....Good luck and your best bet may be to send the CW back in for service.

I have seen 1 or maybe 2 other mentions of the slide stop pin walking out on CW45s lately. But did you check the appearance, tightness and positioning of the spring when inserting it? The spring, when properly positioned, should hold it in place. If that doesn't solve it, then it may need to go back to the mothership. An email detailing the problem is the best way to contact Kahr CS. You can do that today and wait for their response. They will do whatever is needed to fix it, even replacing the slide if necessary. They will probably email you a prepaid shipping label. But if they don't offer to do that in their response, politely reply and request it.

[Ognimalf]

Monday morning it's heading back to the mothership and I'm hoping they really give it some TLC.

[CJB]

Thats a way to handle it. Having the right Torx driver is good for long term maintenance and emergency use. They're cheep individually at Sears if you have such a place nearby, but I've never seen them at Lowe's or HomeDepot. A good hardware store may have tiny Torx drivers, but expect to get the whole set.

[midmo]

harbor freight has set from 5 to 8 that is not bad like $3
they have other size sets as well

[n2brk]

good luck with it. I'm sure it's something simple like the spring. My new CW45's slide stop pin is in there so tightly (thanks to the spring) that I need something to press it out to stip her down. My 1911's pin pops right out by hand, in comparison.

Sending it back is always an option, but I'd be apt to tinker with it first. There's such a fountain of info on this forum to tap into :)

Wally

[JohnR]

good luck with it. I'm sure it's something simple like the spring. My new CW45's slide stop pin is in there so tightly (thanks to the spring) that I need something to press it out to stip her down. My 1911's pin pops right out by hand, in comparison.

Sending it back is always an option, but I'd be apt to tinker with it first. There's such a fountain of info on this forum to tap into :)

Wally

A-ha! My K9 pin needs a 12# sledge hammer to pop out. I figured it was normal. :o. Maybe I need to torx the spring screw...

[Ognimalf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c50P7HCAATo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Well fellas after watching the video you guys recommended I went to Home Depot this evening to buy a #6 Torx bit but they were out. I'll pick one up in the morning, tighten the screw and take it to the range. Hopefully the problem will be solved and if not, I'll send it off to Kahr because I want some nite sites anyway. Thanks again!!!!

[CJB]

You might need to loosen the screw, fiddle with the spring some, and then tighten it back. Its not terribly critical, but you want that spring bend to engage the groove at least a little bit, to hold the assembly in place. Test it with the slide stop and no slide attached. When it gives a little "click" when you bottom it into the hole, you've got it right.

[joeyvco]

what CJB said, mine did the same & Khar said to tighten the #6 torx screw, I did as he said . . . & it happened 2 more times. The last time i tightened it, i didnt put the stop pin in the hole as he suggested, instead I pushed it over a little farther than the pin would of held it & snugged it down. Now I do hear a click as it engages the groove in the pin. I am not pleased that this screw seems to back out though. I hope this doesnt persist, mine doesnt jam, it just doesnt hold open on empty chamber, still aggrivating.

[jocko]

get a new slide stop spring and install it and it willthen hold open, somethig is stillout of whack there. That little screw should not backout either. There is really no pressue there to cause that to happen, if in doubt though wheninstalling that new spring put a dab of fingernail po9lish on the threads and then snug it up. do not try to actually tighten it up as it will not tighten, just snug is ood. That spring has to have leeway to oeprate correctly. That area as sensitive as it looks realy gives no issues...

[jocko]

The K9 slide stop is never easy, not meant to be either. Not hard to press out just not gonna do it with your fingers. The polymer kahr are easier no doubt but again don't compare how ur kahr works to a `1911 model, they are totally different guns. If it moves out to easy IMO then the sldie stop spring is out of adjustment and that slide stop must might move left while shooting the gun and that wll give issues like u never seen. A blunt object like a wooden dowel pin will push either the K9 or any polymer slide stop out with ease. Or the tip of a fmj round..

[DJK11]

Thats a way to handle it. Having the right Torx driver is good for long term maintenance and emergency use. They're cheep individually at Sears if you have such a place nearby, but I've never seen them at Lowe's or HomeDepot. A good hardware store may have tiny Torx drivers, but expect to get the whole set.

CJB

Lowes does sell a Torx screwdriver set with four double ended bits for about $6.00. It's their Kobalt brand and a good addition to the range bag. It's a very well made set, the bits store in the handle.

I use the corner of the magazine to press out the slide stop pin.

[jlottmc]

I have that torx set and it works just fine for my guns and knives. That reminds me I need to check the screw on the wife's CW.

[Ognimalf]

Still waiting for the shipping label to be emailed. Spoke with the gentlemen (3) times so far and still haven't received it. I was told they have been swamped lately and that they can't answer the phones and work the computers at the same time. He said they usually wait until the end of the day to send off the shipping labels via email. I am not bashing Kahr in any way just giving you guys an update of my situation. Like I said previously, I really like my CW45!!!

[Tinman507]

It's 8:17pm. You're not getting it today.

I would email them tonight and be the first PITA in their inbox tomorrow morning. Squeaky Wheel etc.

Good luck with it.

[stuch77]

You didn't get the slide stop in the right way. the little spring that holds the slide stop in place should be under the slide stop not on top.

Hope this helps
in the video is says ontop not bottom


http://kahr.shopvisible.com/cw45-takedown.asp

[CJB]

CJB

Lowes does sell a Torx screwdriver set with four double ended bits for about $6.00. It's their Kobalt brand and a good addition to the range bag. It's a very well made set, the bits store in the handle.

I use the corner of the magazine to press out the slide stop pin.

GREAT - I'll look again (and bring my glasses!)

[Ognimalf]

Received my CW45 back from Kahr today. They replaced the slide stop spring, reworked the barrel, and polished the feed ramp. I didn't have time to hit the range today so I can't give you guys any feedback at this moment. I did notice that the slide stop is a little more difficult to remove than when I purchased it. Hopefully I'll be able to hit the range in the next few days.

[krevo]

Any update on your CW45 since receiving it back from Kahr?