CM9 Magazine Disconnect Safety? Slingshotting rounds?

[Path4]

Did some looking on the forum and sounds like some newer CM9s might have a magazine disconnect safety, the magazine doesn't drop out when the magazine release is pressed. I removed the magazine disconnect safety on my Ruger 22/45 in doing so this also allowed me to slingshot rounds into the chamber.

From what I read in the manual and saw on some Youtube videos, you are supposed to hit the slide release to load the firearm. However, I have tried slingshotting rounds (pulling the slide back after it locks back, pull it back and let go then it goes forwards loading the firearm) but do not believe this is recommended as it may not reliably load rounds. Im not sure though if that is the case or they are talking about racking the slide real quick without locking back or something to slingshot rounds?

Sorry if some of my terms are incorrect I am relatively new to firearms

[skiflydive]

Those posts aren't about a "Magazine disconnect safety." It appears that some magazines are a little "fat" at the top which keeps them from sliding freely out of the well. One of mine was .002" fatter and wouldn't slide out. I followed the advise about squeezing the mag and now it slides out like butta.

The safety you might be referring to is that you can't release the slide stop if the magazine is empty. To release the slide with the slide stop lever the magazine has to have ammunition in it or be out of the gun. That's there to warn the operator that the magazine is empty.

My CM9 slingshots just fine and always has. IMO the springs in these guns are so powerful some people have difficulty slingshotting them "All the way." I did have 1 failure to feed (FTF) on a slingshot but I'm certain it was because I didn't maintain my grip on the slide all the way back.

As Tilos mentions, look at the videos on the Kahr website. There's also a really good FAQ section there.

[Tilos]

Welcome
I'm not sure what your question is here but you can benefit by watching the vids on the Kahr site.

In your manual it recommends using the slide lock LEVER for chambering, not the slingshot method.

From what little I know, a mag disconnect disables firing without a mag inserted, Kahrs do not have a disconnect.

That said, firing an auto without a mag inserted will vent out the open mag well...not good if you use the cup and saucer grip:(.

Free falling mags have nothing to do with a disconnect, on a Kahr.

Tilos

[jocko]

Not sure but I think the nloy gun that has a magazine disconnet is the kahr california approved P380. No disconnet on any other kahr.

If u can sling shot correctly, do it, but I would recommend for starting to use the slide release lever as it will releave every time with the same neededveloicty toload that first round. Many tend to ride the slide alittle when slingshoting it and then u can get FTF, but again once the gun and wner mate up better and get to know eahc other better, it will work fine both ways. I think kahr posts this in their owners manual to avoid people at first complaing about loading the first round and having issues,. Nothing wrong with using th eslide stop lever to load, it will work better than slingshoting as it is consistent, but one has to also learn the TAP,RACK AND BANG drill so hand racking shold be learned only the right way...

[bandrich]

I purchased the CM9 because it did NOT have a mag disconnect. I was thinking about an LC9 because I like my LCP so much but the LCI and the mag disconnect made my mind up for me.

[jocko]

most mag disconnets can be eliminated. I had it on my M& P 9mm and had the disconnet taken out, for no reason ow that I think about it. I should have left it in thegun but whenI sold it , i put it with thegun for the new owner to do what he wanted. He opted toleave it out to. Ihave never realy read of a mag disconnet causing any issues. I guess my reason for not wanting it was if by chance u bump the magazine button, UR OUTTA BUSINESS. Guys wanting to have their magazines flying out of the gun will find that if that happens they are really fokked as the magazine is now on the ground and u have a live round in the chamber and it will not go bang. At least with kahrs if u shoot the magazine 5 feet out of theway by accident u shouldhave one good shot left before the BG takes ur gun away from u and beats u to death with it.

[muggsy]

most mag disconnets can be eliminated. I had it on my M& P 9mm and had the disconnet taken out, for no reason ow that I think about it. I should have left it in thegun but whenI sold it , i put it with thegun for the new owner to do what he wanted. He opted toleave it out to. Ihave never realy read of a mag disconnet causing any issues. I guess my reason for not wanting it was if by chance u bump the magazine button, UR OUTTA BUSINESS. Guys wanting to have their magazines flying out of the gun will find that if that happens they are really fokked as the magazine is now on the ground and u have a live round in the chamber and it will not go bang. At least with kahrs if u shoot the magazine 5 feet out of theway by accident u shouldhave one good shot left before the BG takes ur gun away from u and beats u to death with it.

I thought that you only needed one shot, Jocko. :)

[jocko]

I am referring to the other 99% of the shooters!!!!!

I stated earlier that I thought the P380 komifornia approved has a mag dsconnect. I am not sure of that statement either, can anyone confirm or not. I hat eo be worng, as it happens so rarely!!!!

[Path4]

Thank you for the input!!! Having a hard time finding the Kahr videos, is this the link? http://www.kahr.com/Videos.asp

Read about the magazine being too wide in other threads but thought they might not have noticed a magazine disconnect safety. I think ill probably try squeezing the magazine so it can shoot out but there are some disadvantages to this.

With slingshotting i was referring to loading the first round after you insert the magazine. If i was to just get done shooting a magazine the slide would be locked back. Then I insert a new magazine and to load the first round would either slingshot it by just pulling back on the slide and releasing or pushing the slide stop lever down to release the slide (kahr recommends this)

Also was wondering if you insert a magazine with the slide not locked back, if you could just rack the slide back real fast to slingshot a round. I'd think itd be hard to do this without it locking back and am pretty sure Kahr did not intend for the firearm to be loaded this way

[Tilos]

Slingshotting is an aquired skill and is more easily done after shooting the gun and the recoil spring(s) having taken a "set".

YMMV

More/different vids 1/2 way down this page, on the right:
http://www.kahr.com/

[rogerthedodger]

I thought that you only needed one shot, Jocko. :)
If the mag comes loose with a mag disconnect, he won't even get ONE shot.:eek:

[rogerthedodger]

I am referring to the other 99% of the shooters!!!!!

I stated earlier that I thought the P380 komifornia approved has a mag dsconnect. I am not sure of that statement either, can anyone confirm or not. I hat eo be worng, as it happens so rarely!!!!
You are right, the P380 that is approved by the state of Kommiefornia has a mag disconnect, and an LCI, of which I own one. However, as you all know, you can't get a mag to drop out of a Kahr, even when you WANT it too, so the mag falling out at the wrong time is a moot point. :mad:

[rogerthedodger]

I purchased the CM9 because it did NOT have a mag disconnect. I was thinking about an LC9 because I like my LCP so much but the LCI and the mag disconnect made my mind up for me.
Just a note on Rugers, the mag disconnect is easily removed, as if they expected it done.

[TriggerMan]

Did some looking on the forum and sounds like some newer CM9s might have a magazine disconnect safety, the magazine doesn't drop out when the magazine release is pressed. I removed the magazine disconnect safety on my Ruger 22/45 in doing so this also allowed me to slingshot rounds into the chamber.

From what I read in the manual and saw on some Youtube videos, you are supposed to hit the slide release to load the firearm. However, I have tried slingshotting rounds (pulling the slide back after it locks back, pull it back and let go then it goes forwards loading the firearm) but do not believe this is recommended as it may not reliably load rounds. Im not sure though if that is the case or they are talking about racking the slide real quick without locking back or something to slingshot rounds?

Sorry if some of my terms are incorrect I am relatively new to firearmsGuns with "magazine disconnect safeties" require a magazine, empty or full...doesn't matter, to be inserted for the trigger to work. Which is better is subject to periodic debate. Many can be removed from the gun by an armorer or handy owner. I removed one from a Ruger SR9c. It took two seconds once I stripped the gun for routine cleaning. The Ruger LC9, on the other hand, was much more complex and I left it alone.

[jocko]

Path4:::Also was wondering if you insert a magazine with the slide not locked back, if you could just rack the slide back real fast to slingshot a round. I'd think itd be hard to do this without it locking back and am pretty sure Kahr did not intend for the firearm to be loaded this way


what TILOS said is about right. u and the gun are gonna mate up with rounds down range. The time to fokk up hand racking is at the range, not in a shtf scenario. Recoil springs are stout, they need to take their designed set and only rounds down range can produce that. U can try hand racking from a closed slide as much as u want, just resolve to urself that if u fail it is not big deal and not theguns faults ad in time it will get easier for you will get wiser to.I think ur ready to go but if u have questions never feel fearful of asking here. No one will jump on u for asking a legit question. That show I learned a long time back. But TILOS says it right, it is an acquire dskill that is learned only by trial and error..

[tomwalshco]

A magazine safety is a feature that prevents a gun from firing with the magazine removed, even if a round is in the chamber. Didn't know any Kahr had that feature - which is of dubious value in my mind.

Pulling the slide back and releasing after it is already in the locked open position is not sling-shotting. It just allows the slide lock to drop so the slide can move forward (with or without a loaded mag). A sling shot is pulling the slide back from a closed position and releasing the slide after it reaches full extension rearward (with a loaded magazine inserted). Full motion back, then release quickly.

Without a magazine - it is just racking. With an empty magazine it is just an easier way to lock it open.

Some Kahr (and others) magazines do not fall free when the release button in pushed. Some mags fit looser than others. Ideally they should, but they don't. Full mags fall easier than empty mags because an assist from gravity. Usually an easy fix, though.

[Tilos]

tomwalshco said:
"Pulling the slide back and releasing after it is already in the locked open position is not sling-shotting".
So what is that called then, if not sling-shotting?
just askin'
Tilos

[jocko]

I sur ein the heh would call it slingshooting, as one can still partially ride the slide forward and cause FTF. to mewhen u never toch that slide release lever, it has tofall into the category of slingshoting..

[tomwalshco]

Call it whatever, but it is just releasing the slide.
A slingshot is a full back and release motion, just like you'd do with the real wrist rocket model. Or a charging handle on a semi rifle.
Releasing from a locked position is more like a crossbow release.

[jocko]

there u go. A CROSS BOW RELEASE. we have set a new term for this type of slide action.

[tomwalshco]

Well I guess if a slingshot locked back into a charged position, then it would be true. Don't need a semantics argument. It's just metaphoric slang anyway. Is this the english language site, or did I make a wrong turn somewhere?

[Tilos]

No argument, just looking for clarification of YOUR statement, rather than just accepting it as fact, as it is misinformation, and would confuse the newbs that read stuff here.
Pulling the slide back off the slide stop and releasing it... IS slingshotting.

Tilos