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F350Lawman
02-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Its a long one but here is how I ended up over here, I posted this on another site before I found Kahr Talk. Thanks to this site I discovered my mag spring was backwards from the factory and now the gun seems to feed much smoother(although I haven't shot yet). If I still have and issue, I will try the mag follower sanding mod I saw here as well.

I like Kahrs from a size/firepower standpoint and on the whole they are a well constructed gun. It just seems that they go 99% of the way to making a GREAT gun and then miss something that ruins the entire effort. Here is my story:

I previously owned a PM40 in 2004 or so. The PM40 worked as a shooter BUT would remain (or move later) ever so slightly out of battery. I mean constantly, it would be in the holster slightly out of battery. I don't know what it was..bad springs??? They could not fix the gun and it drove me nuts. Eventually it was returned for good along with my partners PM40 with the same issue. It would function but I can't get around seeing my gun out of battery even if it was 1/16 or 3/32 or whatever (you could see it trust me). In the end Kahr was great and refunded the $$ to the gun shop and I bought my first 1911 variant (on a whim basically). Guess I should thank them I now have 2 and carry one or the other daily

So last week my business partner offers me his PM9 Black Diamond nightsighted model for free (I had been looking for a smaller gun to wear tucked with business attire). The gun was never fired and was sitting for 6 years but was well lubed. I cleaned and re-lubed it for good measure. I put 200 rounds through it yesterday, a mix of 75% 115gr ball (flat and round nose), and some 147 Hydra-Shocks I had left over. Gun runs great..BUT the mags suck. Especially the 6 rounder (everyone else has probs. with the 7 go figure?) The second round often..maybe 10% of the time feeds on a horizontal plane and stops the gun from going into battery. A tap on the slide and it is good to go..but come on, that mag design sux!

I have Glocks, a Taurus, S&W's, a Colt, Rugers, a Grendel and now this Kahr. With the exception of the Glocks and the Rugers all manufactures have had at least one go back to the manufacturers. I am not picking on Kahr...rather my issue is that it is hard to believe nobody at Kahr saw how these mags functioned?? This was a groundball...cmon' now! Funny the PM 40 mags worked fine and they seem to be the same design if I remember correctly?

I see Promag makes aftermarket mags but they are they extended type. I want a flush 6rnd mag because this guns ONLY benefit over my other choices is concealability. Anyone have a solution?? Anyone play with the mags??? Gun shoots great, carries great and is one good mag away from being a fabulously well hidden carry piece

jocko
02-14-2012, 02:06 PM
test out the magazne follower thread in the kahr tech section under propper prepping of ur new kahr, 2 round to me is an indication that the follower is beingheld up slighlty from passing by the mag release button. again the gun can't count, so I think it has to be magazine related. U can change the follower from the 7 round magazine also to see if that helps any. stick with kahr mags, and yes ur PM40 mags were identical, so if they please u, then these should also. the kahr tech section has a super kahr lube chart to, and the propper prepping thread will just give u some thing to look for in case u have some issues. I would tell u this I bet your recoil assembly is of the older style. check that recoil assembly and measure that back flat portion. If it has the 3/8" diameter flat portion, then u need to upgrade it to the new style recoil assembly, which will have a 1/2" flat peace. Now remember if u call kahr and order this recoil assembly tell them you have the old style slide with the blunt nose version and that you need the 13" coil could recoil assembly. This should get u going in good shape to.

do save the older assembly as the outter spring will exhange and if u ever loose thgat outter nut, it will also interchange. By the way u can also order from wolffs gunsprings.com the outter springs only for your model kahr to and save a bunch of bucks, but first u do need the new recoil body. wolffs makes two poundages also. factory which is 18# and alittle heavier which is 20.5#. I like the 20.5# as it does return the side to battery with gusto.
but it takes a few rounds to get it brokien in properly so that the slide will lock open on the last round.

I think you have a dandy gun there and bought back around when I bought mine and mine has over 32K through it. I have had no isses with my kahr flush fit mags what so ever.
Also remember no gun except kahr has the patented offset feed ramp either, so quite possably the magazines are desgned the way they are...

being u have now changed the mag spring around properly and have not shot it yet, ur issue might also be gone now....

u can also if u order sprngs from wolffs order the 5% more strength magt springs for your 6 round mags to. They work really nice..

Of the guns u mentioned. I had two of those that had to go back. One ruger and one DRUM ROLL PLEASE Glock. Sh-t happens

OH BY THE WAY. Welcome to a friendly forum with lots of smart people..

Bill K
02-14-2012, 02:49 PM
Welcome to KahrTalk.

For free I'd have no qualms about dealing with a few issues especially mag related as opposed to gun related.

jocko
02-14-2012, 02:50 PM
yup good point there..

KABOOKIE
02-14-2012, 03:16 PM
Yeah good point. Probably a good reason why people would give away a gun.

pocket pistol
02-14-2012, 05:11 PM
Welcome... Free... Man, I wish I had a friend like that...

F350Lawman
02-14-2012, 05:23 PM
Ha..my business partner is a revolver guy..likes to clean guns ever decade whether they need it or not :) Seriously it was never gonna see daylight so when I was going to buy something he offered it.

I really like Kahrs and hated letting the PM40 go. I shot it well and liked the package. Thanks to this forum I think I have the issue solved and this PM9 will be a winner from here on out. If not, the mag follower trick should do. I will also check my recoil springs for good measure. However, I really think I have it fixed. The gun is chambering a round EVEN from a slingshot (just trying to simulate worst case scenario..I read the manual :) ) REALLY smoothly now.

32K rounds that speaks well of the gun!

Thanks all..

muggsy
02-14-2012, 06:11 PM
Welcome... Free... Man, I wish I had a friend like that...

I had a friend just like that only he was on the receiving end. We stopped being friends when I found out that he lived on a one way street. Life lesson learned.

Bawanna
02-14-2012, 06:13 PM
I had a friend just like that only he was on the receiving end. We stopped being friends when I found out that he lived on a one way street. Life lesson learned.

Crap, I think I know that guy. We ain't friends no mo either.

F350Lawman
02-14-2012, 09:26 PM
I had a friend just like that only he was on the receiving end. We stopped being friends when I found out that he lived on a one way street. Life lesson learned.

Well I don't want to be THAT guy. My buddy has an old WWII 1911 that an uncle brought back after the war that is all beat up, I offered rehab it for him. Once its running smooth it needs to go out for some sort of coating..its bare metal now. No rust but no finish either.

I'm a real pal huh? I will have to play with a vintage 1911 and then go shot it a bunch til its just right...that's me always thinking of others!:angel:

muggsy
02-14-2012, 11:28 PM
You know what they say, "No good deed goes unpunished." :)