The real reason NYPD disallowed Kahrs for off duty!

[Retlawman590]

I've been hearing and reading a lot of misinformation on the subject. So here is the truth. It's more like Kahr dropped NYPD.




http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...rass-kahr-arms

[jlottmc]

Dead link.

[downtownv]

I heard it's the striker vs firing pin

[TriggerMan]

I've been hearing and reading a lot of misinformation on the subject. So here is the truth. It's more like Kahr dropped NYPD.




http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...rass-kahr-armsThe NYPD wanted a heavier trigger pull than Kahr could get out of its present design. They went as far as they could. NYPD may yet find Kahr's last effort acceptable and reach agreement, but, don't hold your breath.

[WI carrier]

oh, whatever, their loss.:crazy: a lot of their leo's are under gunned by other agency's standards, wouldn't want criminals to be hurt by to big of a bullet:cool:

[jocko]

did anyone ever teach those officers at nypd that if u keep ur finger out of the trigger and in ur nose our up ur ass, that will never happen. Makes me laught, when they think adding double the trigger weight which will certainly produce less accuracy will stop STUPIDITY.

For the 5K that kahr had sold to the nypd they also provided free armorers people to the nypd to and serviced their weapons as needed for adda. long story, robably a blessing kahr finaly said shove it nypd. there is no accidental discharge, but there is neglietn discharge. NYPD blames the gun for stupidty,

if they put speed regulators on their police cars it would save a hell of alot more lives and injurys to, but oh, thats different.

about two years ago while just tooling downto Terre Haute on my trusty harley and kinda day dreamin, Ihad two state tropper cars whiz by me goingat loeast 80+ with lights on etc. I though wow, must be a wreck somewhere, so I kinda sped up to keep the cars in sight and WTF, they both stopped at a local restaurant/coffee show where at least a half dozen state and half dozen sheriffs cars were parked. They were going for fokkig coffee..

[Popeye]

Just cause the NYPD carries guns doesn't mean there gun people. Probably the only time they fire them is when they have to ,to qualify to some sort of minimal standards. .....:crazy:There loss.

[jocko]

Just cause the NYPD carries guns doesn't mean there gun people. Probably the only time they fire them is when they have to ,to qualify to some sort of minimal standards. .....:crazy:There loss.

point to most it is atool like a hammer is to a carpenter. course I have seen more carpenters take more pridein their hammer than some police officers do in their guns.

Our little local PD of 7 officers about 2 years ago was carry reloads. (damn truth_). When Ihear dof that I bought themall 100 rounds of defense ammo and again our little local PD of 7 officers had a combination of 40, cal, 45, cal and 9mm in that force. So much for trading off magazines if needed. Sometimes u just get what u pay for, and small towns certainly do not get the cream of the crop and I know nopting about the nypd but with close to 50,000 officers they have tohave some real real duds . I would think it is ore of an ego loss to kahr than an actual paper loss. Sometimes good ridence to bad garbage holds true.:crazy:

[FLBri]

"Police departments generally require a heavier pull because they want officers to realize the serious nature of opening fire."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-brass-cops-stop-kahr-k-9-semi-automatic-pistol-off-duty-gun-article-1.990037#ixzz1ms8R67pz


This is such typical liberal Bovine Shyte. Jocko said it all ... trigger weight weight doesn't fix stupidity. Nothing goes BANG without your damn finger in the trigger. But inaccuracy due to a proper trigger pull could NEVER cause any problems.

If you dont understand "the serious nature of opening fire" how the He77 do they give these people a badge where they are sworn to defend and protect the public. I'll bet the NYPD (according to that articles numbers) has more Kahr negligent discharge than the rest of the country combined (OK, maybe a guessing exaggeration, but I'm PO'ed ... can you tell). The shooting 'public' knows better ... why don't they.

[jocko]

u can't fix stupidity!!

[CJB]

I've always considered the Glock trigger more likely to be released - shorter pull, versus the longer Kahr pull... no matter what the weight is.

Other thing - the cited "accidental discharges" DO NOT SPECIFY the firearm that discharged. I wouldn't repeat those numbers as Kahr discharges... because I'm almost sure that's the entire spectrum of AD's not just Kahr AD's (due to the inclusion of ADs while facing a suspect or perp, the normal duty weapon, not Kahr is suggested as part of the entire AD count).

I'm sitting here wondering, if some Glock executive and his team planted and lobbied for the "improvements" in the Kahr....

[jocko]

good point. but I really think the NYPD would not allow burgers to be served in thier department without some fokking NYPD criteria appllied to it. U know something like all NYPD cafeteria burgers must be able to take a 9mm round at 10 yards without falling apart. It must have aq bite strength before starting to crumble apart of at least 15 jaw pounds. One must be able to crap it and it remain 98% fully intact. Just sayin!!!

U know they have mental issues there for I am told that their NYPD restrooms have above every toilet paper rack a sign that says. "Fold, do not wad, wipe only once, do not try to use it again, let it drop. damn truth, trust ol jocko!!

[jocko]

I've always considered the Glock trigger more likely to be released - shorter pull, versus the longer Kahr pull... no matter what the weight is.

Other thing - the cited "accidental discharges" DO NOT SPECIFY the firearm that discharged. I wouldn't repeat those numbers as Kahr discharges... because I'm almost sure that's the entire spectrum of AD's not just Kahr AD's (due to the inclusion of ADs while facing a suspect or perp, the normal duty weapon, not Kahr is suggested as part of the entire AD count).

I'm sitting here wondering, if some Glock executive and his team planted and lobbied for the "improvements" in the Kahr....

right asit takes 1/2" of trigger pull to make a bang thing with a 7.5# kahr trigger and yet only a touch of the glock triggers tomake their 13# trigger go bang, can u figure that logic for me???:crazy:

[Retlawman590]

Try this link maybe: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-brass-cops-stop-kahr-k-9-semi-automatic-pistol-off-duty-gun-article-1.990037

Thanks

[Retlawman590]

NYPD = One department they could never have payed me enough to work for.

[FLBri]

This whole topic is one of the best advertisements for the preservation of the 2nd amendment ... as opposed to abandoning your rights to a "higher authority" that has "your best interest" at heart.

It bears repeating over and over ...
"When seconds count, the police are only a minute away."

[JFootin]

This whole topic is one of the best advertisements for the preservation of the 2nd amendment ... as opposed to abandoning your rights to a "higher authority" that has "your best interest" at heart.

It bears repeating over and over ...
"When seconds count, the police are only a minute away."

That's why they call themselves progressives, because every time they pass laws and create rules that exert more control over our lives, they consider it progress.

[Ubaldo99]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

[jocko]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

good question, maybe people are alot bigger than a 100 years ago:D

[CJB]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

That was at a time when most human beings, regardless of their criminal nature or misfortune, still retained the moral decency and self worth to abandon their flight or hostility after being perforated by the said .32 caliber projectile.

Its called the inverse caliber postulate.

Whereby, the less moral fibre and self worth the shootee has, the greater the caliber the shooter must use in order to end the proceedings in a brisk manner.

[Big_John_1961]

good point. but I really think the NYPD would not allow burgers to be served in thier department without some fokking NYPD criteria appllied to it. U know something like all NYPD cafeteria burgers must be able to take a 9mm round at 10 yards without falling apart. It must have aq bite strength before starting to crumble apart of at least 15 jaw pounds. One must be able to crap it and it remain 98% fully intact. Just sayin!!!

U know they have mental issues there for I am told that their NYPD restrooms have above every toilet paper rack a sign that says. "Fold, do not wad, wipe only once, do not try to use it again, let it drop. damn truth, trust ol jocko!!

:D:D

[guido4198]

Just cause the NYPD carries guns doesn't mean there gun people. Probably the only time they fire them is when they have to ,to qualify to some sort of minimal standards. .....:crazy:There loss.

WE HAVE A WINNER...!!!
Remember...this is the Police Dept. that already doesn't want YOU to be able to DEFEND YOURSELF.
NYC is so screwed up,(at least when I was there last) you couldn't carry a concealed handgun there if you're a BADGED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER from another city in New York State.

[hss.strat]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

...Sorry, what now? Are you advocating going to 32 caliber pistols with 13 lb trigger pulls?


Anyway, NYPD attempt to avoid litigation by adding new rules. That way when someone puts a bullet into their wall because they tried to clean the gun before clearing it, NYPD can say "Well we made it as difficult as possible!" ... now they're lawsuit proof :rolleyes:.

[Krusty]

:eek:You can't fix stupid.....

[Retlawman590]

good question, maybe people are alot bigger than a 100 years ago:D

Actually, they are. I've had my share of dealing with 300lb BGs in my career. Also, if any of these guys are on PCP, you feel like you are dealing with a super human.

[jocko]

PCP = Perfect condom placement??? right or did I miss something??

[kayl]

WE HAVE A WINNER...!!!
Remember...this is the Police Dept. that already doesn't want YOU to be able to DEFEND YOURSELF.
NYC is so screwed up,(at least when I was there last) you couldn't carry a concealed handgun there if you're a BADGED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER from another city in New York State.

Not true AFAIK.
I know that officers from any other state in the union can legally carry in NYC under LESOA, I don't know about the New York officers specifically :)

[ORSalesRep]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

Yes, but there was once a time that people believed the world was flat and over time, that was proved to be incorrect too.:)

[tv_racin_fan]

Nothing wrong with a 32 caliber bullet today. I sure don't want to be shot with a 327 magnum... but then I don't want to be shot with a bb gun either.

[dkmatthews]

The officers ought to be mad as hell that the department is taking a reliable and effective tool out of their hands -- just like all U.S. citizens ought to be mad as hell when government restricts our access to guns of a given type or brand!