A Warning to Those Like Me

[MO_Soldier]

Don't cycle your ammo too much. I've heard of this before but this is from a reputable source.

http://boloreport.com/officer-safety-ammunition-cycling-and-failure-to-fire

[340pd]

Good info. I thought this was going toward the dummy rounds being found in the chamber.

[jocko]

a good point and another reason why a magazine disconnet is also a good thing. Mag out, round in barrel, no boom PERIOD. I know some hate it, none of my guns have it or came with it but I have never read of a mag disconnet costing anyone their life,. Might sure beat what this officer found out in a SHTF scenario.

I try to shoot out my defense magazine at least every month at the rang and just start with a new magazine again. It makes me feel better, maybe not needed ever, as I don't recycle my rounds either, as no kids in my home so the gun stays loaded 24/7, BUT with these modcern super duper lubricants that can penetrate places u never dreamed of , anythinbg can creap behind that primer pocket and u will never know it until the boom thing DOESN'T HAPPEN. To me if ur gonna carry, always error on the side of caution. Life is to valuable to go "cheap"..

[jocko]

Good info. I thought this was going toward the dummy rounds being found in the chamber.

thing that came t my mind also:7:

[muggsy]

Don't cycle your ammo too much. I've heard of this before but this is from a reputable source.

http://boloreport.com/officer-safety-ammunition-cycling-and-failure-to-fire

I'm not buying what they are selling. If you know how primers are constructed I don't see how what they described could possibly happen. It's far more likely that the priming compound became contaminated by oil from the gun.

[jocko]

I tend to agree with u muggs. hope that doesn't ruin ur day. Last time I agreed with anyone the fokker ran out in front of a semi!!!

[Bawanna]

I'm not buying what they are selling. If you know how primers are constructed I don't see how what they described could possibly happen. It's far more likely that the priming compound became contaminated by oil from the gun.

It would certainly be a rare occurrence. I can't think of any way that they could determine that the primer came apart, removing it destroys the primer.
Modern ammo is sealed pretty darn good but oil or a contaminant is most likely the cause.

Regardless I still don't like to cycle a top round too many times without taking it out of service and using for range day.

I did like their recommendation to cycle the rounds and all the mags. I do that myself even as rarely as I cycle rounds out.

[Sap]

This is not "hot off the press" new guys. It is real. Very common in the ar15 m4 platform as well. Constantly chambering the same round can also push the projectile further into the case from slamming into the feed ramp repeatedly. I've seen it.

[Bawanna]

This is not "hot off the press" new guys. It is real. Very common in the ar15 m4 platform as well. Constantly chambering the same round can also push the projectile further into the case from slamming into the feed ramp repeatedly. I've seen it.

I buy the bullet set back and have seen it many times, I've also seen it the other way where the bullet pulled out, once so far that it came all the way out. Officer wanted to show me the glitter in his gun, he'd never seen gun powder before.

I buy that, not totally sold on a primer coming apart, I'd buy it more in an AR platform than a pistol. It could sure happen I suppose but it would be rare.

[Bill K]

Thanks... Have known about the possibility but this is the first documented case that I can recall reading.

[jocko]

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bullet set back is one thing that is obvious to see if one continues to do that. I can see how they can remove a good primer and diagnose it as there just has to be some kind of damage done when trying to remove a primver cap. Just sayin!!
I am nopt soubting u in the sligthest, bullet set back can and willhappen if one continues to refeed the same round time and time again. I would not think once or twice wouldhave any real effect but again all loaded rounds are different in some way or the other. Primers are realy not fragile as far as falling apart etc, unless the primer was bad in the first place and then how can any company determine that the primer was not bad fromthe git go instead of now blaiming it on refeeding the round. I am not saying I am not buying that, but the price better be damn cheap for meto buy that, Just sayin.


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[muggsy]

I tend to agree with u muggs. hope that doesn't ruin ur day. Last time I agreed with anyone the fokker ran out in front of a semi!!!

Actually, Jocko, that made my day, but then I'm an easy man to please. :) I've carefully punched a number of live primers and have found a few with missing anvils, as well.

[CJB]

Setback happens. If its a pistol round, there is little danger so long as it feeds. The trick is getting it to feed. Pressure will be higher, but... you have to use common sense and not use rounds with excessive setback.

The primer thing... I dunno... primers take a beating. They should have found priming compound that broke loose, made it past the anvil, past the flash hole, and into the case. I suppose it can happen... I'd not be worried about it happening to me.

[Cyterio]

What about the select manufacturers who have bullets that are cannelured and crimped to avoid bullet setback? I've read reports and reviews that setback isn't an issue with these. Can anyone say otherwise? I only ask because I carry Hornady Critical Defense and regularly rechamber my rounds.

[Bawanna]

What about the select manufacturers who have bullets that are cannelured and crimped to avoid bullet setback? I've read reports and reviews that setback isn't an issue with these. Can anyone say otherwise? I only ask because I carry Hornady Critical Defense and regularly rechamber my rounds.

Certainly much less chance with those or any round that has a cannelure. It can vary a lot between different rounds even in the same manufacture. Also some guns are more prone to it than others depending on how smooth the path and action is between magazine and chamber.

[wyntrout]

I wouldn't want to risk using ammo that had been repeatedly ejected and reloaded for months! Mine only gets unloaded for the range or cleaning after the range... no kids around. I will use the top rounds for SD ammo testing or firing at the next range trip.

I use the rear of the magazine on top of the carry ammo to find "short" rounds... setback... for removal from CCW and range use. I want the rounds I'm carrying to be optimal for protecting my life and the life of my loved ones. That's one reason I wanted to get away from using the .22LR Walther TPH for CCW. I had misfires... ammo that didn't fire. It could be from carrying it for months... the humidity finally getting inside the rounds... I don't know, but I wanted more reliable ignition as centerfire ammo seems to have.

Wynn:)

[tv_racin_fan]

I believe that most of not all commercial ammo is sealed some of it visibly. BUT with repeated cycling that seal could be disrupted.

Box o Truth did a test with oil and they didn't mess up a single primer on a loaded round.

Bullet set back is indeed a FACT. When I first resad of it I tried my carry ammo. I repeatedly cycled one round for ten times. Found no setback but the rear of the case was pretty chewed up by the extractor. I decided then that I would notice when the round was chewed up like that and just set that one to the side for range use and grab another from my storage.

I don't unload and reload everyday as I really don't see the point in that. An unloaded handgun is a paperweight or a poor warclub. My carry guns generally stay loaded. IF I had small children it would be on my side or in a safe at all times I think. Then again I gots grands and they been told if they want to touch a firearm they see just ask and they can touch em. But I aint got that safe yet...

I once had a grandson rummage thru a drawer and find a broken handgun... he came walking out of my "office" where he was supposed to be playin on my PC with that handgun in his hand. I explained he best not ever do something like that again. Showed him some rather sharp knives in another drawer and explained that they do not always remain in their protective sheaths so he best not go looking for something, he might draw back a hand minus one finger... Explained to him and his sister that IF they wanted to see something all they have to do is ask.

[MO_Soldier]

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bullet set back is one thing that is obvious to see if one continues to do that. I can see how they can remove a good primer and diagnose it as there just has to be some kind of damage done when trying to remove a primver cap. Just sayin!!
I am nopt soubting u in the sligthest, bullet set back can and willhappen if one continues to refeed the same round time and time again. I would not think once or twice wouldhave any real effect but again all loaded rounds are different in some way or the other. Primers are realy not fragile as far as falling apart etc, unless the primer was bad in the first place and then how can any company determine that the primer was not bad fromthe git go instead of now blaiming it on refeeding the round. I am not saying I am not buying that, but the price better be damn cheap for meto buy that, Just sayin.


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Read between the lines folks. 'Ol Jocko is falling asleep at the computer on his spacebar! haha