Anyone have a new PM9 with the new "enhanced trigger" ?

[PDXoriginal]

It is supposed to be 30% lighter than the existing Kahr trigger, which is why they now have a external safety.

I wonder if 30% is enough to make spending extra on the PM over the CM worth it.

[cgpeanut]

I tried both versions side by side repeatedly at my LGS and could not tell the difference in trigger pull weight and I pulled more than 10 times each, so I concluded that the regular new PM9 with the beveled front has the same trigger components, this is only my theory based on my own research, I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out.

I did not like the position of the safety on the new PM9's the gunstore owner informed me that it was designed to be dis-engaged as you draw the weapon for presentation. The safety felt like a dial so it did not feel right to me I have a Ruger SR9c and SR9 and use it's 1911 type safety 100% of the time with 1 round loaded in the chamber for CCW. Do this to my PM9 now, Just don't touch the trigger, and get a really good holster for it. :)

Nope, not worth the extra premium for the safety, LCI and supposedly reduced trigger pull IMO.

[kerby9mm]

I'm sure you are wrong because you have only handled and tested them. Others have read about them and NO better! LOL

[jocko]

I did not know even if the enhanced trigger guns are even out there yet for sale cgpeanut, did the version u handled say enhaned trigger or was u merely looking at the safety and LRI indicator ad thinking it now had the enhanded trigger. To my knowledge which is limited I am just not sure that gun is availalbe "yet". My limited knowledge the only thing that changed was a 1/8" less trigger travel but not less trigger poundage. That can be achieved though in ay kahr by merely buying the wolffs 5# striker spring.

I am also not sure if and when the enhanced trigger guns are offered in the P9 and PM9 with external safety and LRI that if that means the standard PM9 amd P9 with external safety and LRI will not be offered witht he 3/8" elite trigger either.

I certainly have no qualrrels with a safety like on the kahr PM9. had it beenavailalvbe when I bought my PM9 5 yers ago I certaiinly owld have bought it. I really see no hndrance in having it on the gun for now I have two options with it. carry 24/7 with safety off or carry 24/7 with safety on, as it is now I don't have that option. I have never read of a safety costing anyone their life either. It is a choice u the shooter has to make, as u can see ur gonna get both sides of the question answered here which should even confuse u more..

[MLESa7990]

Kahr's website still says 'shipping soon' for the enhanced trigger models. I doubt the one you handled had the new trigger. It was likely just the model with the safety and LCI that has been out for a couple of years now without the new trigger.

[cgpeanut]

I did not know even if the enhanced trigger guns are even out there yet for sale cgpeanut, did the version u handled say enhaned trigger or was u merely looking at the safety and LRI indicator ad thinking it now had the enhanded trigger. To my knowledge which is limited I am just not sure that gun is availalbe "yet". My limited knowledge the only thing that changed was a 1/8" less trigger travel but not less trigger poundage. That can be achieved though in ay kahr by merely buying the wolffs 5# striker spring.

I am also not sure if and when the enhanced trigger guns are offered in the P9 and PM9 with external safety and LRI that if that means the standard PM9 amd P9 with external safety and LRI will not be offered witht he 3/8" elite trigger either.

I certainly have no qualrrels with a safety like on the kahr PM9. had it beenavailalvbe when I bought my PM9 5 yers ago I certaiinly owld have bought it. I really see no hndrance in having it on the gun for now I have two options with it. carry 24/7 with safety off or carry 24/7 with safety on, as it is now I don't have that option. I have never read of a safety costing anyone their life either. It is a choice u the shooter has to make, as u can see ur gonna get both sides of the question answered here which should even confuse u more..

Thanks Jocko! You guys are right, it was just the regular version with the LCI and safety put on, I really wanted to get this version originally but just could not get pass the position and "dial" feel of that safety.

[PYROhafe]

Jocko, I've read (online somewhere...) of safties costing ppl their lives because they forget to disengage it in a SHTF situation. <- the main reason I love my cm9 the way it is... no external safety

[MLESa7990]

My PM9 has the safety because it is required in my state. Doesn't mean I use it! I don't even notice it's there.

[Ken_K]

I'm not fond of safeties on DAO pistols, that's why the LC9 was crossed off my ccw list first thing. If your forced to have a safety (either by state law or firearm design) then incorporating the proper use of it in to your training routine is critical. Even if you choose to never use it (such as with a dao pistol) I believe you should still practice disengaging it when drawing just in case it has somehow been engaged by accident.

[jocko]

Jocko, I've read (online somewhere...) of safties costing ppl their lives because they forget to disengage it in a SHTF situation. <- the main reason I love my cm9 the way it is... no external safety

that could be true but I just doubt it also and this is the internet and if u believe allu read, then--well??? I love my kahr the way it is and if u noticed I stated one can leave the safety off if necessary. Makes zero sense to quote even a couple of instances where having a safrey might have cost a person his life. I am sure we can also find instances and probaby far more of where no safety also cost someone thier life to. Until glock came out with the SAC system, most all semi's back then had external safeties of some kind. To my knowledge never heard of any complaints. Now we all feel we need no safeties in case SHTF???

Each jto his own opinion as always

[joshh]

agree with jocko.
for the few instances of a safety causing a problem, compared to the huge amounts of accidental discharge. a safety may be the way for many. if not, dont use it. no harm in it either way.
i have never carried a pistol that had a safety but i live in ma, so my pm9 has it and i practice flipping it off while drawing and feel it slows me down in no way. also, the pm9 safety makes your trigger feel like its in neutral when you pull squeeze it and you can instantly tell its on. its not like others where you have to do a full full to tell the safety is on.
i am waiting for an answer from someone (friend of fa friend) who works at kahr about the new trigger & if it can be upgraded on my safety model. They say the new one is noticeably lighter.

[jocko]

u can make ur pm9 LIGHTER TO, JUST ORDER FROM WOLFFS GUNSPRINGS. THEIR 5# STRIKER SPRING. IMO I seriously doubt if the enhanced trigger is any lighter in poundage than every other kahr, only it is from what Ihave been tld 1/8" shorter in trigger pull. Lets face it the standard kahr triggers today are all 3/8' trigger travel and 1/8" less would not get it down to a 1/4" travel. not sure there are any other shorter dao travel semi's out there, I don't think kahrs intentios wa sto make this a hair triggert system even witht he external safety.

My understanding s their is a internal frame changein the guns with external safety's and if that is so, then ur not gonna get an upgrade. I don't think also any of these new e3nhanced trigger guns are yet o the market yet, so we eally need to have a kahr talk person who has the PM9, safety version and the new safety version with the enhancde trigger system to tell us if that statement abouve is true. We seem to also get different answerrs when asked of a different person. I was told by one of the cusotmer service people that he had not yet seen the new enhanced version to give a definite answer as to any upgrades. In time this will all sort out but IMO, one shouldthink about the cost of gaining 1/8" less travel, shipping the gun back and paying both ways will be on u andnot kahr, plus the over all cost of the service and enhanced trigger parts. My bet is all total will be over $150. Just sayin...

I would like to know who says the new one is noticeable lighter, when as of now none are out in the market yet.. Kahr at best IMO wold maybe go with the 5# striker spring that wolffs makes for the kahrs, which one can do himself for about $10 bucks..

[Ken_K]

The only concern I have with reducing the trigger pull weight is the liability issues that could arise if you actually had to shoot someone.

[joshh]

I would like to know who says the new one is noticeable lighter, when as of now none are out in the market yet.. .


a kahr employee in worcester, ma. and i suppose i might have worded it wrong. they may have said noticeably better. the person isnt a tech and is trying to find out if i can upgrade mine. they run a tight ship over there, no entry to non employees. would like to walk around and see the operation next time i take the bike out that way.