I love Kahr's trigger

[Frankhenrylee]

Hey folks! I went to the range last weekend and shot the heck out of my PM40 along with renting an XDM .45. I've been looking for a high capacity SHTF handgun for awhile and thought the XDM .45 would fit the bill. I've owned XD's in the past and loved them, but sold my last one to get my PM40. The XDM shot fine, very accurate, easy recoil and no malfunctions, just like I expected. What I didn't expect was how much I'd like the Kahr's trigger over the XDM. There's lots of empty space at the front of that XD trigger and Kahr's just got that nice smooth, steady pull. Kind of tough switching between the two. The Kahr was very predictable, but I didn't feel the same about the XD.

NOTE TO KAHR: Where's our tactical .45? You know, with rails, higher capacity, night sights and lanyard loop.

[Bill K]

Interesting read. Does the long reset of the Kahr bother you at all? Wouldn't the XDM's be much shorter?

[Frankhenrylee]

The reset doesn't bother me, but the PM40 kicks so much it wouldn't matter if it was shorter. No double taps with this little monster. Just steady, deliberate holes.

I believe the XDM does have a much shorter reset, and it's still top on my list right now, but the trigger just feels odd to me after shooting the PM40.
I've only put about 500 rds. through it with no malfunctions, but I dry fire practice around the house with it. It just feels right to me.

[Barth]

I do enjoy the glassy smooth DAO Kahr trigger on my MK40 Elite.
It complements my Centennial J-Frames with action jobs and combat triggers.

I've been spending a lot of time lately dialing in my Glock G27 with a 5 lbs
short reset Ghost Rocket trigger. It's quite different. My Sig Sauer P220
has a factory trigger, but it's still a glassy, crisp, short ~5 lbs SA too.

I think I might initially have issues jumping back and forth?
Haven't tried that.

[jocko]

Interesting read. Does the long reset of the Kahr bother you at all? Wouldn't the XDM's be much shorter?

I really never thought of it that way, as 98% of my shooting is with my kahrs and the other 2% is jwith my G19. Onceu get use dto something it just all falls inb place. I don't even think about reset. Iknow like shooting my J frame smths, that I must let up on the trigger so it can do it timing stuff and again it just seems to fall in place. I guess if one had 5 different semi's all would have some different feel to them but ur only gonna notice that at the range and not in a SHTF scenario. Kahrs ar eunique in thier trigger design, and I just accept it that way, some sayit is loooooong, --compared to what???? Is another 1/8" trigger travel like the nypd triggers have over the elite triggerts going to be a game changer??? I seriously doubt it and I can't prove it but I would bet that if kahr slipped some nypd triggers in the PM and cm kahrs that only come with the elite triggers in them that we would not know the difference, as we would assume that all cm ad pm kahrs have the elite trigger in them, so we are basically not looking for trouble either. My k9 has the nypd trigger and my PM has the elite trigger and for me anyhow I am hard pressed to tell that difference in the 1/8" travle + or -. Maybe if I shot the PM9 a magazine full and then grabbed the K9 and did the same afew times in sucession, maybe for me I could tell that difference--maybe, accuracy wise I shoot my K9 far better so go figure. Just sayin:blah:

[MW surveyor]

If I can get my j frame trigger to work as good as my CW9 I'll be a very happy camper.

[jocko]

If I can get my j frame trigger to work as good as my CW9 I'll be a very happy camper.

Ihad to have a ghood action job on my J frame's all of them. oNCE that was done it was smooth as glass..

[Barth]

Ihad to have a ghood action job on my J frame's all of them. oNCE that was done it was smooth as glass..

Both my J-Frame Centennials are glassy DAO guns.
The gunsmith measured them both today since I got polished smoothed
stainless steel combat triggers.

The 11.1 oz, titanium & aluminum alloy 342 ti is ~10 lbs.
My classic, all stainless steel, S&W 640-1 is ~8.5 lbs.

I think my Sig P220 and P239 SA is ~4.5 lbs
Glock G27 DAO, with it's Ghost Rocket 3.5 connector, is ~5 lbs.

The S&W 629-2 SA I haven't weighted - and am afraid too.
3.5 ish, maybe, on a high humidity day???

Don't know what the Kahr pull weight is?
It's so glassy it's deceiving???
I'm thinking ~5 lbs???

[tilefish]

Hey folks! I went to the range last weekend and shot the heck out of my PM40 along with renting an XDM .45. I've been looking for a high capacity SHTF handgun for awhile and thought the XDM .45 would fit the bill. I've owned XD's in the past and loved them, but sold my last one to get my PM40. The XDM shot fine, very accurate, easy recoil and no malfunctions, just like I expected. What I didn't expect was how much I'd like the Kahr's trigger over the XDM. There's lots of empty space at the front of that XD trigger and Kahr's just got that nice smooth, steady pull. Kind of tough switching between the two. The Kahr was very predictable, but I didn't feel the same about the XD.

NOTE TO KAHR: Where's our tactical .45? You know, with rails, higher capacity, night sights and lanyard loop.


Rental guns can be iffy. They get used, abused and rarely cleaned. I have an XD-9 (4" service) and the trigger is great. A little polishing, after initial break-in, goes a looong way with the XD. If that does not satisfy you there are plenty of after market options.
With that said, the Kahr trigger is smooth and you are correct about the empty space in the XD trigger. I just went to go look at my new K9 Elite a little while ago but I have to wait until Thursday to actually pick it up. Smooth as glass. Being responsible and paying bills first really sucks sometimes lol.

[MW surveyor]

Going to a gun show either tomorrow or Sunday morning to see if I can find a small square honing stone and some more primers.

Then I'll just have to wait until the Wolff spring kit and my 638 comes back from S&W! Secretly hoping that they will do a trigger job on it for my trouble! :)

The Khar is about 5 pounds (I think)

[CJB]

NOTE TO KAHR: Where's our tactical .45? You know, with rails, higher capacity, night sights and lanyard loop.

A tactical .45 with rails, higher capacity, and loop is against the grain of Kahr's Prime Directive, which is: Small, light, powerful, concealable, reliable, and accurate pistols. The basic design is highly refined for carry.

[ltxi]

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NOTE TO KAHR: Where's our tactical .45? You know, with rails, higher capacity, night sights and lanyard loop.

Kahr farmed that version out to Glock.

[ltxi]

If I can get my j frame trigger to work as good as my CW9 I'll be a very happy camper.

As I've said elsewhere....Kahr does the best double action revolver trigger in the business.

[Cokeman]

I love mine too! :w00t:

[Tank]

A tactical .45 with rails, higher capacity, and loop is against the grain of Kahr's Prime Directive, which is: Small, light, powerful, concealable, reliable, and accurate pistols. The basic design is highly refined for carry.
Kahr does a good job when they do break away from their prime directive though. Case in point is my T40. It's not small or light and is about as concealable as a 1911. It is powerful, reliable, and very accurate though. I know Kahr calls it a target model but it's not what I would consider a target pistol, not like a 5.25" barrel XDM target model or something like that.

What it is is a great shooting, great looking, fun pistol to own and shoot. It doesn't quite fit any of the catigories we try to put pistols in like "tactical" or CCW, but it's a good all around gun. Plus everything is where it is at on the other models and it has the Kahr trigger.

Kahr would have to probably design a new platform to ever get to a double stack tactical gun with rails, ect. It's quite a ways from their market nitch they occupy now.

[jocko]

tank: I agree, one should stick with what the do best and just simply improe on it but I would never cross out a doublt stack 9mm in the future. Gun companies need to make new intro's it seems every year like car makers and others do. Not like it use dto be in theold days . so never say never with what kahr might or might not do. I also think that since kahr talk originated it has givent he T models a whole new exposure to the kahr shooters to. I can't say it will ever catch on with the T models but they are certainly a class act gun and I would think thanks to this fourm and just kahr talk in general the T model sales have increased alot in the pat 2 years over the past year combined: Just sayin..

[chrish]

love the kahr trigger, it's the reason i've gotten back into shooting more vs just having something available 'when needed' and hoping i never need it. its a joy to go to the range since i started buying kahr. i can't imagine going back to a good old fashioned revolver and i've never been comfortable (grip or carry) w/ a double stack anything. i'm accurate and pretty quick w/ the kahr and thats more than acceptable.

that being said, recently i've found myself wanting at least 1 high capacity SOMETHING in the collection. i would absolutely LOVE for kahr to come out w/ something double stack, 15 round-ish, with the kahr trigger. i'd buy one or two as fast as they could get it on the shelf.

nothing against glock-ish triggers, safetys, etc. but i find i am VERY comfortable with the long smooth kahr pull, prefer it in fact, and i prefer all my carry weapons to function the same so i a) do not have to rotate to stay comfortable and familiar w/ multiple and b) so i dont have to spend double time at the range staying on top of two styles of triggers.

[CJB]

T40...

I long wheelbase VW beetle, is still a VW beetle.

[U.S. Patriot]

I went from a Kel-Tek PF9 to a Kahr PM9. The difference is night and day. The PM9 trigger feels heavier, but not as long as the PF9. Which did help in the accuracy department.

[East River Guide]

IMHO Kahrs like the PM9 or P380 have good triggers compared to other small guns, but there are other triggers I like better. I would be happy to see some DA/SA or even Glock style triggers (shorter pull, faster reset) in a same size package. My PM9 sees the most carry time followed by the P380, but if I was going to tote something bigger I wouldn't pick a big Kahr, there are other systems I like better (like my Glock 19 or Kimber 1911).

[U.S. Patriot]

For fullsize carry I choose my FNP-9.

[Tank]

T40...

I long wheelbase VW beetle, is still a VW beetle.

I guess it would depend on the VW beetles. But lets look at the handguns.

A PM40 that is a polymer frame gun comes in at a weight of 15.8 ounces, 5.5" long X 4" high.

Compare that to the T40 that is a steel frame gun with wood grips weighing in at 27 ounces, 6.6" long X 5" high.

I think most people would conclude that these guns were designed to serve two differnt purposes. There is no way a T40 will go where the PM40 fits. But at the range the weight of the T40 tames the S&W .40 and makes it a joy to shoot. It's just MO but these guns aren't as closely related as standard and long wheel base models.