Kahr PM9 mag issue

[U.S. Patriot]

I just recently picked up my first Kahr. The gun was built in 2006. A guy bought it, never shot it, and put it on consignment at my local shop. I fired over 200 rounds through it with 0 malfunctions. The problem is this. I pulled my spare 6 round mag out of its pouch, and three rounds had fallen out of the mag. I read where this is common. Honestly, it is a bit disheartening. I'm going to contact Kahr about the issue. I was curious though, if it's still an on going problem?. Guess I'll have to carry the mag upside down, rounds facing up. I really like the gun and it was a replacement for my Kel-Tec PF9.

[Tinman507]

Having a hard time imagining how 3 rounds "fell out" yet the magazine functions ok in the gun?

What model?

[U.S. Patriot]

Having a hard time imagining how 3 rounds "fell out" yet the magazine functions ok in the gun?

What model?

It's a PM9. I ran 100 + rounds through both mags at the range. Went to take the mag out of the pouch and could feel the rounds in the bottom, and sure enough. I'm completely dumbfounded myself.

[jocko]

I just recently picked up my first Kahr. The gun was built in 2006. A guy bought it, never shot it, and put it on consignment at my local shop. I fired over 200 rounds through it with 0 malfunctions. The problem is this. I pulled my spare 6 round mag out of its pouch, and three rounds had fallen out of the mag. I read where this is common. Honestly, it is a bit disheartening. I'm going to contact Kahr about the issue. I was curious though, if it's still an on going problem?. Guess I'll have to carry the mag upside down, rounds facing up. I really like the gun and it was a replacement for my Kel-Tec PF9.

have one baggy ass pouch for 3 rounds to fall out. I have a 6 round mag in a nylon pouch and I defy one round to even try to fall out. What do u think kahr is going to tell u???? u put 200 perfect round sthrough it with no issues. just go out and buy a better mag pouch. Wow!!

did u try the other magazinein the pouch to see if it does the same thing. If it does then IMO LIVE WITH IT. If it doesn't then send the other mag backif u think it is bad. Considereing ur PM9 only comes with one 6 round mag from the factory, I am assuming this is a spare mag thefella bought also. there should ahve been a 7 round extended magazinein this "new" gun box along with the 6 round flush fit mag. Did u test to seeif this one magazine also works perfect in ur PM9? If it does, again I say LIVE WITH IT.

[U.S. Patriot]

have one baggy ass pouch for 3 rounds to fall out. I have a 6 round mag in a nylon pouch and I defy one round to even try to fall out. What do u think kahr is going to tell u???? u put 200 perfect round through it with no issues. just go out and buy a better mag pouch. Wow!!

did u try the other magazine the pouch to see if it does the same thing. If it does then IMO LIVE WITH IT. If it doesn't then send the other mag backif u think it is bad. Considering ur PM9 only comes with one 6 round mag from the factory, I am assuming this is a spare mag thefella bought also. there should ahve been a 7 round extended magazine this "new" gun box along with the 6 round flush fit mag. Did u test to seeif this one magazine also works perfect in ur PM9? If it does, again I say LIVE WITH IT.

The pouch is just big enough for the mag to fit. It also has a velcro loop, so the magazine does not flop around. Also, yes it is the 6 round mag. I use the 7 round mag as my main mag with the 6 round being back up. I tested both mags at the range, maybe if you would actually read what I previously wrote. I have not had a chance to carry the 7 round mag in the pouch as I just noticed it earlier today. I have never had this issue with any mag from any other manufacture. I have read elsewhere of people who have had rounds fall out of mags as well. I'm not new to shooting or guns. Don't try to talk down to me like I'm an idiot. I came here seeking information, not to get into flame wars with internet commandos.

[OldrSlowrSGT]

I always have rounds popping out of my magazines, either when in my pocket, or when being pulled from a magazine holster.

The feed lips just don't hold the rounds in place. I have no issues with FTFs when shooting.

I only have problems with the 7-round magazines... but that's probably because the 6-round is always in the magazine well!

[U.S. Patriot]

I always have rounds popping out of my magazines, either when in my pocket, or when being pulled from a magazine holster.

The feed lips just don't hold the rounds in place. I have no issues with FTFs when shooting.

I only have problems with the 7-round magazines... but that's probably because the 6-round is always in the magazine well!

Thank you for an honest response.

[Kiehtan]

I carry the six in my PM-9 for better concealment. I had the seven in my front left and it too would drop 2-3 rounds during the day. I now carry two mags in a Recluse double leather pocket holster in my back left pocket, and I have yet to lose a round.

[U.S. Patriot]

I carry the six in my PM-9 for better concealment. I had the seven in my front left and it too would drop 2-3 rounds during the day. I now carry two mags in a Recluse double leather pocket holster in my back left pocket, and I have yet to lose a round.

Thank you.

[knash33]

Want to trade your six round for another seven round?

[Bawanna]

Somebody here, I'm thinking maybe Old Lincoln had this issue and carefully took a pair of pliers and tweaked the feed lips just a tad and cured the issue. They kind of open up towards the front and if you bend them just slightly more towards parallel they will hold the front of the cartridge a little more secure.

Several mentioned having a mag pouch that follows the angle of the top of the mag is beneficial as well. Most mag pouches are cut that way, at least the ones I've seen.

[U.S. Patriot]

Somebody here, I'm thinking maybe Old Lincoln had this issue and carefully took a pair of pliers and tweaked the feed lips just a tad and cured the issue. They kind of open up towards the front and if you bend them just slightly more towards parallel they will hold the front of the cartridge a little more secure.

Several mentioned having a mag pouch that follows the angle of the top of the mag is beneficial as well. Most mag pouches are cut that way, at least the ones I've seen.

I think I may try a mag pouch from Kahrs website.

[Kiehtan]

Want to trade your six round for another seven round?

I have purchased 2 extra seven round mags, then I found out 8 round mags were available and bought two of those. I contacted Kahr and they said I could ship them my three seven seven round mags an they would exchange them for one six round and two more 8 round mags. That way I will have two sets of my carry set up, one 6 round in the gun and two 8s in my pocket. I can use the extra set for range time, that way I don't have to load and unload my carry mags.

[CJB]

PM9, P9 magazines... rounds will pop, one at a time. A form fitting pouch, holding that first round in place, is the key.

[OldrSlowrSGT]

Those of you using mag pouches... do you lose any rounds when removing the magazine from the pouch? Have you tried pulling the magazine out for a rapid reload without dropping rounds?

I did an IDPA practice with my K9... never again until I get the magazines corrected. I was using a belt mounted kydex double magazine holder, and I couldn't get the magazine into the well without dropping rounds... can you say "procedural?"

For carry, I now stuff two magazines into my pocket... and every time I use the facilities, I refill my magazines from the bottom of my pocket.

[kerby9mm]

I read about this round popping out thing before I bought my mag pouch. The one I bought is very a stiff clip on single mag by Desantis. Never had a problem. I notice when unloading the mags the rounds do come out easily. Seems like they are better in the gun for feeding the gun than for storing reloads.

[bpago]

200 rounds thru CM9. Absolutely no failures of any kind. Noticed on my last 25 rounds or so, the mag does not fall freely but must be pulled out to reload. It releases about 1/2 in. but will not fall even if you shake it. I inspected the mag for cracks, splits etc. and it looks normal. I have read about issues with the 7 round mag. I have used my 7 rnd for about 25 rounds and have no problems with feed or release, but when I put the 6 rnd back in, it does not release unless you pull it out.

Any ideas?

[Bawanna]

Some have had success squeezing the very top of the mag up near the feed lips with a vise or pliers. Very carefully. Doesn't take much.

Might also check the mag well and make sure there's no slivers or molding left overs gumming up the works. If one mag drops and the other don't, it's the mag and the careful squeeze in the vise should cure it.

[Kahrbonized]

Would a extra power spring help? Does Wolff make one for the PM9?
I have never had a magazine shed rounds except one time when the OAL was too long and the bottom round got bound up on the face of the mag, taking spring tension off the upper rounds - then they were loose enough to fall out.

[air8]

So today I bent the feed lips slightly and holds the top round much more secure. This also reduced the taper of the mag. The mag is straightened out slightly. Use a straight edge to see what I mean...got this from Bawanna. I'm waiting for range trip Friday to verify perfect feeding.

Inside the frame of my CW9 I found a tiny spot of plastic flashing. With pistol pointing away from me it was on the right hand side of the mag release rod. And upon pressing mag release the rod would start to flex just before fully releasing the mag...it would drop half an inch like bpago mentioned.

I cut this little bit of flashing off and the mag release works great now. So with the bending of feed lips the taper at top of mag is reduced and holds bullets better. Plus cleaning flashing out and the mag drops quick and clean.

[OldLincoln]

Would a extra power spring help? Does Wolff make one for the PM9?
I have never had a magazine shed rounds except one time when the OAL was too long and the bottom round got bound up on the face of the mag, taking spring tension off the upper rounds - then they were loose enough to fall out.

Yes Wolff makes stronger recoil and mag springs as well as a softer (5lb vs 7lb) striker spring. I recommend the 2 stronger springs and Jocko recommends the 5lb striker spring (I've not tried it).

[bpago]

Vise trick did not work. Still have to pull mag out. I have no clue! 7 rnd drops with out a hitch. I don't remember this happening until about the 200 rnd break in. During break in not a single malfunction. The slide just doesn't fall.

[jocko]

Yes Wolff makes stronger recoil and mag springs as well as a softer (5lb vs 7lb) striker spring. I recommend the 2 stronger springs and Jocko recommends the 5lb striker spring (I've not tried it).

referring to the ols tyle slide with the stronger recoil srpings, as wolffs is yet to make recoil springs for the new style PM9/cm9 version.

[jg rider]

Somebody here, I'm thinking maybe Old Lincoln had this issue and carefully took a pair of pliers and tweaked the feed lips just a tad and cured the issue. They kind of open up towards the front and if you bend them just slightly more towards parallel they will hold the front of the cartridge a little more secure.

Several mentioned having a mag pouch that follows the angle of the top of the mag is beneficial as well. Most mag pouches are cut that way, at least the ones I've seen.

I found that because of the steep angle the rnds. need to be at, to feed, the lips will spread open after a time

I made a mag lip adjusting tool out of square 1/4" aluminum that grips the lips without scratching them.
I used a dremel cut off wheel to cut the slots. A fine tooth hacksaw blade will work also.

Then:

For safety sake completely strip the slide

I take the recoil spring out of the gun so that I can manually move the slide forward.

Then I load the mag with my carry ammo, insert it and slowly work the slide to see where the rounds hit the feed ramp

I adjust the feed lips to where I think they need to be for that type of ammo.

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[jg rider]

Here's the pics. But ! The rounds can still sip out. The mag pouch I use is a Don Hume. The rounded bottom one worked great to keep the rounds in place. Then they changed the design to a square bottom. What I did with that one is wet it and then form it to a round bottom.

I hope this helps

[rich e]

Any chance a moderator will sticky this? Great PM/CM 9 info.

[DJK11]

Looks like we're packing 147 HST.

[jg rider]

Looks like we're packing 147 HST.

Ran my own tests on HST and Win. 147 RA9T

We carry the HST in our K9s and the Win. 147 RA9T in our PM9s

[DJK11]

Difference of 100 fps from the pm9 between the fed and win. Any speculation why?

[jg rider]

Difference of 100 fps from the pm9 between the fed and win. Any speculation why?

I fired 3 rnds. for each test. The velocity deviation between between the Win. stuff. big. But that doesn't matter to me.
It's follow up shots recovery, penetration then expansion. in that order that matter to us

The wife was the test subject to find what was the mildest felt recoil for follow up shots. She fired lots of double taps. We carry the 147 HST in our K9s and in her Glock 17. And we carry the Win 147 RA9T in our PM9s. They had the most control for follow up shots.

We tried lots of ammo brands I had lots pics, but they're locked in Photo Bucket. Here's some. We also tested Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Win. Bonded and others.

This is what works for us

[DJK11]

Thanks. I also tested a bunch of different types and weights in my pm9 and PM45's . In 9, I found Hornaday TAP the softies shooting. I went with HST in both 9 and 45 partially because could not tell a big difference and I got a great deal on case lots of the HST.

The "expansion slits" in the bullet are different in the HST 147 than the 124. Appears their was some thought in the design of the 147 not "just make it heavier".

[dogchild]

Thank you for your post very helpful.

[badge4436]

Had my PM9 since 2004. Series after barrel recall. Never had a problem with rounds falling out of six round mags. I carried the extra mag loose in a pocket.
The seven round mags dumped rounds. I ordered extra six round mags and two extra recoil assemblies when prices were good. Still carry that same PM9 daily. Use HST 147 grains in it..

[2sBlind]

Shot my new PM9 for the first time on Sunday. 250 total without a single issue except that the 6 round mag that came with the gun failed to hold the slide open on the last round probably 95 percent of the time. I brought 3 other 6 round mags with me that I bought from some online retailer. All three worked flawlessly. I plan to check the other two mags that came with the gun this weekend. Anyone experience this before? Anyone know if Kahr will swap/replace the mag? I plan on asking them just wanted to get a little heads up if possible. Thanks.