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JFootin
03-02-2012, 11:03 AM
WHEN- he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he stood with his hands over his lap for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco - a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to "fundamentally transform this Nation" into something else, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in "Explicit Consent," harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual and organizer of a group called Gay, Lesbian, Straight, Education Network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama's Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed Carol Browner, a well-known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel , our long-time ally, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States , people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and 'stating' that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN- he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.
WHEN- he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State , people woke up--- but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an Internet search.

The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America?

It's your decision. I believe it does matter.
WHEN - November 2012 comes, it will matter who you vote for!

TriggerMan
03-02-2012, 12:05 PM
When...dosesn't matter
JFootin, I'd like to respond to this point by point but you need to provide the name and contact info for the person who wrote it for you.

When people use cut & paste as a substitute for their own opinions, it doesn't matter

When people are willing to believe every lie, it doesn't matter

When people attribute an action to Obama, which is actually a bi-partisan action, it doesn't matter

When a prior President does something unpopular and it's blindly attributed to the current President, it doesn't matter

When people don't even understand the difference between two loans to Auto Company and nationalization of an industry, it doesn't matter
Hint: One loan is repaid in full ahead of schedule. The other is a temporary trade of minority stock holding for a temporary period. A minority stockholder doesn't own that company.

Have a great day

joeyvco
03-02-2012, 12:11 PM
guess it still dont matter to some huh ?

muggsy
03-02-2012, 12:16 PM
JFootin., I think you should tell us how you really feel. :)

muggsy
03-02-2012, 12:18 PM
JFootin, I'd like to respond to this point by point but you need to provide the name and contact info for the person who wrote it for you.

When people use cut & paste as a substitute for their own opinions, it doesn't matter

When people are willing to believe every lie, it doesn't matter

When people attribute an action to Obama, which is actually a bi-partisan action, it doesn't matter

When a prior President does something unpopular and it's blindly attributed to the current President, it doesn't matter

When people don't even understand the difference between two loans to Auto Company and nationalization of an industry, it doesn't matter
Hint: One loan is repaid in full ahead of schedule. The other is a temporary trade of minority stock holding for a temporary period. A minority stockholder doesn't own that company.

Have a great day


The next time that you stop at the pump remember that you voted for soaring energy prices.

TriggerMan
03-02-2012, 12:32 PM
The next time that you stop at the pump remember that you voted for soaring energy prices.What if I drive a Volt?

skiflydive
03-02-2012, 12:36 PM
What if I drive a Volt?

Then according to the President of GM your income is about $170,000.

Bawanna
03-02-2012, 12:37 PM
Then according to the President of GM your income is about $170,000.

Please send me some. We'll call it redistribution of wealth. Heck yeah, I beat Kahrseye this time. We're in the money!!!!

jocko
03-02-2012, 02:32 PM
What if I drive a Volt?

I bet u don't drive a volt..

when it happens on your watch, u get the credit for it when it is good and you should by rights get the crap for it when things are not good. He is taking creidt for unempolyment down to 8.3%. He should bear the brunt of the gas prices..

I guess if ur a democrat u think one way and if ur a repoblican u think the oter way. Both are ur rights. I choose to think the obummer is an arogant individual. He has IMO done a nice job of starting "class warfare" solely to just get elected. United States is starting to be come a misnoemer, . Just sayin.

IMO he will more than likely get elected for IMO the "good" republicans out there didn't have the fokking balls to put their names in the hat and go out and work for it like the 4 we have now hammering each other for that position. At least they have their balls on the line every day. these other spinless "winners" want to wait 4 years and wait for a complete new democratic slate. That is pure B.S. for me. we are hurting now, now 4 years from now...:blah::blah:

Tilos
03-02-2012, 02:40 PM
I think it's more like THE PRESS said it didn't matter by ignoring it...not "people".

Why is a source needed to respond point by point:confused:

:popcorn:

Tilos

TheTman
03-02-2012, 02:58 PM
When you use cut and paste because someone has eloquently said what you were thinking, it doesn't matter, the points are still valid. Go point by point a look it up, see if Obama did it or not, I think most of it has been reported before. Good Post JFootin!

TriggerMan
03-02-2012, 10:53 PM
JFootin., I think you should tell us how you really feel. :)yeah, I'm waiting for an original thought from him too.

When you make wild allegations, you are the one obligated to provide proof. I'm waiting.

muggsy
03-03-2012, 12:33 PM
What if I drive a Volt?

Then I really feel sorry for you. :)

muggsy
03-03-2012, 12:40 PM
Me thinks that Triggerman has been swallowing what Obummer has been feeding him. :der:

popgoestheweasel
03-03-2012, 12:50 PM
yeah, I'm waiting for an original thought from him too.

When you make wild allegations, you are the one obligated to provide proof. I'm waiting.

...and waiting

JFootin
03-03-2012, 01:41 PM
Keep waiting, TriggerMan. I agree with everything that was said. If not, I wouldn't have posted it. Not lies. Not wild allegations. Widely known and easily checked FACTS about the various Obama appointees. All I'm going to say about it. If you can find uncontrovertable proof that any of what was said is a bald faced lie, let's see it and I'll stand corrected. But don't just quote some liberal spin machine. Facts, facts, facts. To borrow from Bill O'Reilly, this is a NO SPIN ZONE! :D

TriggerMan
03-03-2012, 02:31 PM
Keep waiting, TriggerMan. I agree with everything that was said. If not, I wouldn't have posted it. Not lies. Not wild allegations. Widely known and easily checked FACTS about the various Obama appointees. All I'm going to say about it. If you can find uncontrovertable proof that any of what was said is a bald faced lie, let's see it and I'll stand corrected. But don't just quote some liberal spin machine. Facts, facts, facts. To borrow from Bill O'Reilly, this is a NO SPIN ZONE! :DYou, JFootin, with some anonymous 'help', are making charges. It is for YOU to provide proof. You are the accuser. Have YOU checked any of the facts you are putting out?

Let's say I accuse you of being a pedophile. You need to prove you're not. Good luck with that. Perhaps you get the point. If not, as was often asked in school, "When did you stop beating your wife?"

still waiting..

TriggerMan
03-03-2012, 02:50 PM
Disclaimer: I don't support Obama. I just finished voting as a Registered Republican in Michigan's Primary. His name sure wasn't on the ballot.

What I am against is this new McCarthyism. Trying to discredit a man by linking him to "acquaintances" who are in disrepute. By this standard, because Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush are friends and acquaintances, Bush must be a sex addict and a Liberal. Sure, makes sense.

Pelosi is "acquainted" with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. She must be a hell of a Conservative.

Post BS and I'll call it such. Post some of his actual deeds or misdeeds and you'll find me agreeing with you.

popgoestheweasel
03-03-2012, 03:47 PM
the reason plenty of people said "it didn't matter" is they can't be fooled by idiotic statements that follow the word "when".

did someone say this was a NO SPIN ZONE??? the "when" post is NOTHING BUT SPIN...in fact, the creator of such mindless spewings brings insult to spin itself. lame!!! however, it obviously plays well among many members of KT. don't forget, there are also many who will call BS as they are NOT gullible.

jocko
03-03-2012, 04:12 PM
the reason plenty of people said "it didn't matter" is they can't be fooled by idiotic statements that follow the word "when".

did someone say this was a NO SPIN ZONE??? the "when" post is NOTHING BUT SPIN...in fact, the creator of such mindless spewings brings insult to spin itself. lame!!! however, it obviously plays well among many members of KT. don't forget, there are also many who will call BS as they are NOT gullible.

:popcorn::popcorn:

Chief Joseph
03-03-2012, 04:27 PM
JFootin, I'd like to respond to this point by point but you need to provide the name and contact info for the person who wrote it for you.

When people use cut & paste as a substitute for their own opinions, it doesn't matter

When people are willing to believe every lie, it doesn't matter

When people attribute an action to Obama, which is actually a bi-partisan action, it doesn't matter

When a prior President does something unpopular and it's blindly attributed to the current President, it doesn't matter

When people don't even understand the difference between two loans to Auto Company and nationalization of an industry, it doesn't matter
Hint: One loan is repaid in full ahead of schedule. The other is a temporary trade of minority stock holding for a temporary period. A minority stockholder doesn't own that company.

Have a great day


I'm sorry, so you're saying the treasury owning 500 million shares of gm is just a "loan"? Me thinks YOU better understand the difference. Owning shares of a company is OWNERSHIP, government owning shares is NATIONALIZATION. And currently, if they sold we'd be on the hook for billions. And remind us who profited from this, the unions or bond holders?

http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/general-motors-paid-back-bailout-loans-in-full/

melissa5
03-03-2012, 04:48 PM
http://www.cityprofile.com/forum/attachments/national-politics-debate/31569d1312473400-how-does-make-you-feel-obama-not-saluting-american-flag.jpg

LMT42
03-03-2012, 05:18 PM
I'm sorry, so you're saying the treasury owning 500 million shares of gm is just a "loan"? Me thinks YOU better understand the difference. Owning shares of a company is OWNERSHIP, government owning shares is NATIONALIZATION. And currently, if they sold we'd be on the hook for billions. And remind us who profited from this, the unions or bond holders?

http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/general-motors-paid-back-bailout-loans-in-full/

Obama was just following in Bush's footsteps. Had Obama not bailed out GM, you'd be crucifying him for much higher unemployment. Bottom line, Bush started the moral hazard that is rotting this country the day he bailed out the banks. Everyone wants a bailout today (underwater homeowners, students with debt, poor people want food stamps, etc. ad nauseum) because of what Bush started in 2008. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

jocko
03-03-2012, 05:31 PM
Obama was just following in Bush's footsteps. Had Obama not bailed out GM, you'd be crucifying him for much higher unemployment. Bottom line, Bush started the moral hazard that is rotting this country the day he bailed out the banks. Everyone wants a bailout today (underwater homeowners, students with debt, poor people want food stamps, etc. ad nauseum) because of what Bush started in 2008. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.


:popcorn::popcorn:



fokk this is better than any movie and FREE

melissa5
03-03-2012, 05:42 PM
http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ObamaEvil.jpg

melissa5
03-03-2012, 05:49 PM
Obama was just following in Bush's footsteps. Had Obama not bailed out GM, you'd be crucifying him for much higher unemployment. Bottom line, Bush started the moral hazard that is rotting this country the day he bailed out the banks. Everyone wants a bailout today (underwater homeowners, students with debt, poor people want food stamps, etc. ad nauseum) because of what Bush started in 2008. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

I think Clinton started the moral hazard that is rotting this country today when he started playing with cigars in the White House. And, he also started the unemployment problem by passing NAFTA and putting a lot of small business owners out of business. The problems pre-date Pres. Bush.

jocko
03-03-2012, 05:58 PM
OK, now we have a woman pissed off and in this mess. It is now a losing proposition for all!!!!

do any of u believe that ol Monica was the first and only that smoked the peace pike in the white house????? Now I truly hope I do not have to prove that statement either, as it just came off the top of my head!!!! Just sayin...

JFootin
03-03-2012, 06:22 PM
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

LMT42
03-03-2012, 06:23 PM
I think Clinton started the moral hazard that is rotting this country today when he started playing with cigars in the White House. And, he also started the unemployment problem by passing NAFTA and putting a lot of small business owners out of business. The problems pre-date Pres. Bush.

Correct - I should have said financial moral hazard. Clinton also repealed Glass-Steagall, which led to the '08 banking crisis. However, it was Bush bailing out the banks that led to everyone expecting a government bailout.

I don't really want to get into the blame game. All politicians are corrupt and equally to blame for the sorry state of our country. All the Obama bashing and hysterics gets old though. There's plenty of blame to go around.

jocko
03-03-2012, 06:26 PM
what one can do is just not read this stuff, then it is not old or new, It is just nothing. remember this is stillt he internet and people can say what they feel whether I our u believe it or not. Just pass on this stuff. Hopefully we can fix this problem in November..

JFootin
03-03-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm sorry, so you're saying the treasury owning 500 million shares of gm is just a "loan"? Me thinks YOU better understand the difference. Owning shares of a company is OWNERSHIP, government owning shares is NATIONALIZATION. And currently, if they sold we'd be on the hook for billions. And remind us who profited from this, the unions or bond holders?

http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/general-motors-paid-back-bailout-loans-in-full/

It's also called FASCISM and COMMUNISM.

LMT42
03-03-2012, 06:31 PM
It's also called FASCISM and COMMUNISM.

Right, kinda like when Bush bailed out the banks. :rolleyes:

jocko
03-03-2012, 06:35 PM
Right, kinda like when Bush bailed out the banks. :rolleyes:

:popcorn::popcorn: I have found it is cheaper to buy two boxes at one time, as the show is lasting longer than I figured.

Bawanna
03-03-2012, 06:37 PM
The pop corn popper had a melt down in the lobby so lets drop the curtain on this one shall we?