Freedom of religion

[knkali]

Do you agree with this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46729054/ns/us_news-environment/

[jocko]

ain't right, whats next?? Muslims applying for permits to do the same thing. I really don't trust our judges anymore. Just sayin.

[knkali]

Arent NAtive Americans protected by the constitution too?

My argument has always been that the freedom of religion is only as good as society deems fit. IOW if drinking human blood( no one being harmed of course) was part of the religious ritual, I bet the constitution would not protect them. So do we really have freedom of religion?

[TheTman]

People drink Human blood all the time, they just don't kill to get it, they pull it out of a vein with a syringe and mix it with wine as part of their "vampire" bullshit. You wouldnt believe how many are into that crap.

[SpecK]

You have the freedom to believe what you want

you dont have the freedom to do what you want

It will be a sad day if this gets the thumbs up....it will just pave a road for more stuff like jocko said

[Tinman507]

At my church it's accepted practice to slap people around and stuff.
It's the Church of Moe
http://www.jimis-cyberstore.com/store/media/just-say-moe-2.jpg
We gonna get in trouble now?

[wyntrout]

That's a far cry from Muslim public lashings, chopping off hands, heads, and stonings... or hanging someone for "crimes" like proselytizing, conversion... or any of the probably dozens of "Major" Capital crimes like adultery, homosexuality, drug trafficking, OR WEARING WESTERN ATTIRE!

I would hate to see "religious freedom" like that become too widespread... all of the tribes suddenly "needing" to kill our national symbol... perhaps to make some dream catchers or whatever... for sale!

If the Indians exhibit restraint and limit the takings, I see no BIG problem with that. It IS part of their religion AND they DID get a pretty raw deal from the White Man, considering that they lived here before 1492 (OR 1000), and the Black Man is the wronged and "favored" minority, though they weren't being exterminated for their land.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

what is restraint and limit?? If one has any indain blood in thier lines would they not be entitled to the same privledges. How long do we have to repay the Indians back and the black man back, Just askin. These Indians and these black men today are not the ones we enslaved and killed years ago for what ever reason. Italians back in the early 1900's were definitely descriminated agaisnt by the KKK (certainly i my home town they were) They hung a young black man on the courthouse square back int he 1900'
s even., do we give them restitution to. I am just wondering when enogh is enough--for all or should I being of Italian ancestry be asking for some kind of government payout???

[knkali]

So should indian casinos pay state taxes?

[knkali]

should Jews look to Egypt for compensation for being enslaved for centuries?

[Bill K]

Making a decision based just on the information laid out in the linked to article... I have absolutely no problem with two eagles being killed.

[knkali]

Making a decision based just on the information laid out in the linked to article... I have absolutely no problem with two eagles being killed.

I agree, unless you are one of the eagles, but some are worried about creating a "slippery slope".

[Bill K]

If the killing of two eagles, for religious purposes bothers anyone, I suggest they not read Leviticus where I believe the animal sacrifices required by God are laid out.

[knkali]

If the killing of two eagles, for religious purposes bothers anyone, I suggest they not read Leviticus where I believe the animal sacrifices required by God are laid out.

excellent

[SpecK]

So should indian casinos pay state taxes?


Some do. This just depends where the casino is

[knkali]

In Calif, I thought they were exempt. State needs money money money

[SpecK]

If the killing of two eagles, for religious purposes bothers anyone, I suggest they not read Leviticus where I believe the animal sacrifices required by God are laid out.

I dont think a bull and a goat were national symbols back then. Nor were they still protected by The Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act -- thats what worries me

but i misread from the beginning, i didnt see that it had already been approved...osps

[Bill K]

I dont think a bull and a goat were national symbols back then. Nor were they still protected by The Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act -- thats what worries me

but i misread from the beginning, i didnt see that it had already been approved...osps

I hear you but I do recall something mentioned about a golden calf that ticked Moses off. Thankfully we didn't adopt the Turkey as our national symbol; don't know what I'd do with my spring turkey tags. :)

[SpecK]

In Calif, I thought they were exempt. State needs money money money


Sovereign nation. See: Belgium.

Arnold didn't really paint the whole picture on that one. Just like any other campaign ad...

[SpecK]

I hear you but I do recall something mentioned about a golden calf that ticked Moses off. Thankfully we didn't adopt the Turkey as our national symbol; don't know what I'd do with my spring turkey tags. :)


I guess youre right. Takes alot of eagles to fill up a deep freeze

[Alfonse]

But the real question is, do they taste like chicken?

[getsome]

I'm not sure if the Indian casinos pay taxes or not but I do know they are loan shark mafia types...There is a TV commercial in Atlanta and probably many other places from an American Indian loan company called "Western Sky" saying they can put $5000.00 in your checking account over night...They are nice enough to say Yes the money isn't cheap but if you read the really tiny fine print at the bottom of the screen it says the interest rate is %119 and that 5 grand cut throat loan ends up costing over $48.000 vig after 48 months!!!...:2eek:...Wonder if you don't pay do they send Chief Running Guido to scalp you...

[knkali]

I saw that too and thought I heard the "money isnt cheap" wrong. I didnt read the fine print.

[mr surveyor]

But the real question is, do they taste like chicken?




naaahh.... they taste more like spotted owls

[muggsy]

I support the wise utilization of our renewable natural resources. I don't see harvesting an eagle as any different than harvesting a rabbit, squirrel, pheasant, duck, turkey, deer or bear.

[wyntrout]

Well, I think the Indians and a bunch of the rest of us see the eagle as a special animal... though, I do wonder what KFC could do if they added eagles to the menu.:hungry:

Wynn:D

[muggsy]

I see animals as animals, nothing more. I see some people as nothing more than animals, too.

[tv_racin_fan]

I agree, unless you are one of the eagles, but some are worried about creating a "slippery slope".

How would this create a slippery slope? Permits were granted in the past.

[knkali]

How would this create a slippery slope? Permits were granted in the past.

See Jacko's post #2

[tv_racin_fan]

Again I do not see the slippery slope issue here at all. In the first place Native Indians have been granted permits for such before. I think they should again be given permits on a per instance basis.


IF the slippery slope arguement is to be believed then the permit to carry a firearm sounds the slippery slope bell as loudly as anything. Do you then support the effort to stop the issuance of a carry permit? Stop the ability to carry? I doubt that.

[knkali]

While I dont see the slippery slope either, some will and already hinted at it. With regards to the CCW permit question...Ultimately, I do not think permits should be needed at all for an adult to carry and I do not think that the permit process creates a slippery slope there either but some will.