Happy 2nd Anniversary Obamacare!!

[Tinman507]

We have to pass it to know what's in it. Well.....We're learning what's really in it

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[melissa5]

If I am forced to sign up for that shyte, I intend to abuse the crap out of it. Just saying....

[knkali]

when it said you have to pass it to find out what is in it. That seems to be very true. The other statement that out system needs help but not obamacare seems ok to me too. The rest of the vid is a little over the top. You have people now that determine what insurance will or will not pay that work for the insurance companies you pay premiums to for coverage. Wow what a conflict of interest that is. When things get very costly for the insurance company, you will find this out to be a fact the hard way. Then you are left fighting the 800 lb gorilla insurance company while your loved one is in a holding pattern waiting for the insurance company to decide what they will pay for. In situations like that, time is on their side. There is no question that the current system can use a revamping but please dont swallow everything you read about obama care as a new problem that is not something we are already dealing with in the current healthcare delivery system--like the example in the vid. First, someone has to know what the heck the care plan even is.

[Deano]

The problems with our health care system are numerous, and any solution will have to deal with several factors, using a multi-faceted approach. Handing over the problem to the federal government is the last thing we need to do. These are some of the issues and hard facts facing health care:
1) Rising number of non-payers funded by the working class. Each year the number of employees with health insurance shrinks, while the population of those who do not pay into the health care system, but still use it increases. This shifting balance is in part causing the price to skyrocket, for those employers who do fund health care for their workers. It is breaking the back of our health care delivery system, and placing an unfair burden on small business owners.
2) Malpractice lawyers run amok. Meaningful tort reform must be enacted, and not just for health care. This problem reaches out and touches any kind of business. How much of our health care dollars do we really want to end up in the hands of the lawyers? First step is a meaningful cap on awards. How about severe penalties for frivolous law suits clogging our courtrooms? This will probably never happen, as the trial lawyers lobby is way too strong, but something NEEDS to be done.
3) Lack of cost containment. Many medicare procedures are denied at low cost out-patient surgery centers, while approved at higher cost hospitals. Our government needs to figure this out, and fast. Local control of the use of funds makes way more sense. Getting the best deals for quality care locally is something the feds can not, and will not do.
4) Overuse of the system. No co-pay begets abuse. Every trip to your physician or hospital emergency room should cost you SOMETHING, even if it's just $5 or $10. As it is now, some people run to the E.R. every time they get a headache or their child gets a sniffle. Why? Because it's free.
5) Terminal care. Facts show that 90% of our health care dollars are spent in the last year of each persons life, on average. At some point, difficult decisions need to be made to allow life to end without spending a fortune to prolong life by one more month, week, or day.
6) Duplication of services. Does every town really need 10 or 20 or 50 CAT Scan machines at a million bucks a pop? The more expensive and specialized something is, the more it needs to be centralized. Right now it's a free for all.
7) Prevention is largely ignored. Americans are being over-fed a diet of fast food, sitting around playing video games and watching T.V.. Is it any wonder we are the most obese country in the world. Bring on the diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and colon cancer. Not to mention smoking and alcoholism and all the health related problems they create. Education starts with our children when they are young. This education has to include emphasis on good diet and regular exercise. We are doing a poor job of this in the U.S. right now.
8) Too many middle men. When HMO's began popping up, they were hailed as the health care cost containment saviors who would solve our problems. Statistics clearly show that the percentage of health care dollars that go to actual providers of health care have steadily declined since then, while the percentage of health care dollars going to fund HMO salaries, computer systems, sales reps, data collection services, etc. have been on the rise. All this with no noticeable improvement in the overall delivery of health care.
9) Illegal immigration. I know this is not a popular subject, but our hospitals are spending large portions of their health care budgets on illegals, with no re-imbursement, especially in our border towns, but also true way up here in Orygun. These hospitals are required by law to give free care to illegals in need. Our border problem is affecting health care, public schools, job markets, on and on. Something needs to be done soon. The longer we let the dems stall, the more dems are born here illegally to grow into voting dems to vote in more dems. Get the picture. We need to act soon.

Of this one thing I am certain: If we put the federal government in charge of all health care and make it free for all comers, the cost will go way up, the quality will go down, the lines will become longer, the burden on the system will cause many good doctors to hang it up way sooner than normal, rather than take part in this new serfdom, further stressing the system at the worst possible time. Just call your friends in Canada and see how they like the wait times up there.

Don't buy this bill of goods called Obamacare. It was poorly thought out and rammed down our throats by bureaucrats with a clear agenda, most of whom I'm sure never read it's thousands of pages.

End of diatribe.

Peace

Deano

[knkali]

The problems with our health care system are numerous, and any solution will have to deal with several factors, using a multi-faceted approach. Handing over the problem to the federal government is the last thing we need to do. These are some of the issues and hard facts facing health care:
1) Rising number of non-payers funded by the working class. Each year the number of employees with health insurance shrinks, while the population of those who do not pay into the health care system, but still use it increases. This shifting balance is in part causing the price to skyrocket, for those employers who do fund health care for their workers. It is breaking the back of our health care delivery system, and placing an unfair burden on small business owners.
2) Malpractice lawyers run amok. Meaningful tort reform must be enacted, and not just for health care. This problem reaches out and touches any kind of business. How much of our health care dollars do we really want to end up in the hands of the lawyers? First step is a meaningful cap on awards. How about severe penalties for frivolous law suits clogging our courtrooms? This will probably never happen, as the trial lawyers lobby is way too strong, but something NEEDS to be done.
3) Lack of cost containment. Many medicare procedures are denied at low cost out-patient surgery centers, while approved at higher cost hospitals. Our government needs to figure this out, and fast. Local control of the use of funds makes way more sense. Getting the best deals for quality care locally is something the feds can not, and will not do.
4) Overuse of the system. No co-pay begets abuse. Every trip to your physician or hospital emergency room should cost you SOMETHING, even if it's just $5 or $10. As it is now, some people run to the E.R. every time they get a headache or their child gets a sniffle. Why? Because it's free.
5) Terminal care. Facts show that 90% of our health care dollars are spent in the last year of each persons life, on average. At some point, difficult decisions need to be made to allow life to end without spending a fortune to prolong life by one more month, week, or day.
6) Duplication of services. Does every town really need 10 or 20 or 50 CAT Scan machines at a million bucks a pop? The more expensive and specialized something is, the more it needs to be centralized. Right now it's a free for all.
7) Prevention is largely ignored. Americans are being over-fed a diet of fast food, sitting around playing video games and watching T.V.. Is it any wonder we are the most obese country in the world. Bring on the diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and colon cancer. Not to mention smoking and alcoholism and all the health related problems they create. Education starts with our children when they are young. This education has to include emphasis on good diet and regular exercise. We are doing a poor job of this in the U.S. right now.
8) Too many middle men. When HMO's began popping up, they were hailed as the health care cost containment saviors who would solve our problems. Statistics clearly show that the percentage of health care dollars that go to actual providers of health care have steadily declined since then, while the percentage of health care dollars going to fund HMO salaries, computer systems, sales reps, data collection services, etc. have been on the rise. All this with no noticeable improvement in the overall delivery of health care.
9) Illegal immigration. I know this is not a popular subject, but our hospitals are spending large portions of their health care budgets on illegals, with no re-imbursement, especially in our border towns, but also true way up here in Orygun. These hospitals are required by law to give free care to illegals in need. Our border problem is affecting health care, public schools, job markets, on and on. Something needs to be done soon. The longer we let the dems stall, the more dems are born here illegally to grow into voting dems to vote in more dems. Get the picture. We need to act soon.

Of this one thing I am certain: If we put the federal government in charge of all health care and make it free for all comers, the cost will go way up, the quality will go down, the lines will become longer, the burden on the system will cause many good doctors to hang it up way sooner than normal, rather than take part in this new serfdom, further stressing the system at the worst possible time. Just call your friends in Canada and see how they like the wait times up there.

Don't buy this bill of goods called Obamacare. It was poorly thought out and rammed down our throats by bureaucrats with a clear agenda, most of whom I'm sure never read it's thousands of pages.

End of diatribe.

Peace

Deano

Nice post but it is far more reaching than the points you made. Drug costs, mal med insurance premiums for healthcare workers, cost of professional educations, cost of technology and on and on.....Obama has removed the insurance company's ability to decline coverage to people with pre existing conditions. That is a positive thing. But we will all eventually pay for that. Nothing in this world is free. We must all remember that. It is a big task to make changes to our healthcare system. Any changes will be difficult and will effect some negatively somewhere. IOW you can never please everyone. You cannot have a healthy America without healthy Americans. I would ask for your vote but I dont want the job.:w00t:

[flieger67]

Not one public word on that law's 2nd from Ol' Joe Biden, who proudly dubbed it, "a big f***in' deal!", at least that I heard.

Hopefully next week's oral arguments before the SCOTUS will be the beginning of the end for Obamacare.

[JustinN]

So far this thread is "fine" but per the reminding of the rules, this is not firearms related (Or right to keep and bear arms related), so before it does go somewhere we don't want, I'm locking it down.