Kahr cheapen their CW - by cost reduction

[wagon]

I walked into my regular toy shop hoping to find a low cost ($300~$400) 9mm BUG for my wife ... expected to come out with one of those LC9 or SR9c or PF9.

Low and behold they have a shipment of CW came in, complete with 9, 40 and 45. All marked for $370 !!!!!!!!! This is the lowest price I've come across for NEW and in LGS.

At this price point, it makes CW a very good buy, and is more inline with the quality within that price range. In competing with other offerings in this price range, CW does have has better quality, better features (coz it does not have any of those unnecessary features), best trigger.

At time of check out, I noted that they pulled out a white cardboard box, I said.. WTF.. is this a certified-used? Well.. I contact Kahr CS, they confirm that plastic case is now a thing in the past. So... apparently a cost cutting measure to try to get into the low-cost market.. I think Ruger has given Kahr a good run with their LC9 and SR9c offering.

I am 100% satisfied to come home with one.

Here they are: "His" and "hers". And their size comparo with my other "home defense" weapons.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ppkvt3u6l5A/T20j2FjpzeI/AAAAAAAAAxI/zVN0-tgZO6Q/s800/CM%2520%252B%2520CW%25201.JPG
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1-qLZzY5qHg/T20j2aceVuI/AAAAAAAAAxU/SwNixqMpaGM/s800/Glocks%2520vs%2520Kahrs%25203.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wx4CUOw8md0/T20kIMjvf4I/AAAAAAAAAxc/cqNWVlkrtj4/s800/P1020987.JPG

[jocko]

I would be surpirsed if many use the plastic box after it gets home, no doubt a cardboard box is lower in price and serves the purpose. wouldn't bother me if it came in a brown paper bag if the price was right

The SR9 is a double stack,nice gun but not the same size and weight. The lc9 is not a stainless slide ( I stand corrected if that is wrong.. The trigger is not like a kahr either. Nice gun but again different.) They make great guns,...but they like most of the big name companies have also had teethng pains when they got into the sub compact guns. TheLCP being a problem child at first. the SR9 also a problem child, Both after recalls were made, shooters love um.

Ruger is pumping out their products at a record pace thi8s year with expecations of over 1 million being made and sold this year. they cannot keep up with the orders.:behindsofa:

[TucsonMTB]

Cool! If a cardboard box is good enough for a $2000 Les Baer 1911, it's good enough for a Kahr. :)

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/273357000/273357052/pix848017702.jpg

[O'Dell]

I always store my pistols in the cases in my safe. If I haven't shot them, I'll pull them out, lube them, and wipe them down about every 90 days. I was happy when Detonics sent the 1911 back in a case. It was the only gun where I didn't have the original case.

[wyntrout]

Well, that's kind of sad, but I don't put my Kahrs back in the cases, anyhow. I've mainly used those for returns to the mothership.:D

In talking to my wife the last few days, I'm thinking that I need to put her together a "get home bag" along with a compact folding bike for her car. One of the items I'm thinking of is a CW9. I would like a higher capacity, but I know how smooth the DAO pull is on the Kahr... and I have plenty of ammo and magazines for 9mm Kahrs. I just need to get her used to shooting one.

The next gun shows aren't until June and July here.:(

Wynn:)

[kerby9mm]

Higher capacity adds weight (# of rounds) and bulk. I have read that the average gunfight is 2 to 4 rounds but that is what I read and you know what they say about what one reads.

[TucsonMTB]

I always store my pistols in the cases in my safe. If I haven't shot them, I'll pull them out, lube them, and wipe them down about every 90 days. I was happy when Detonics sent the 1911 back in a case. It was the only gun where I didn't have the original case.
Yes, but you have a larger safe than average. ;)

[wyntrout]

I want my wife to be able to get home in case of something like an EMP attack that disables her car. High capacity is nice, but she thinks my KAHRS are big and heavy! On a bike when might have to peddle and shoot with one hand, so I'm thinking a CW9 with 8-round extended grip mags... on a belt and holster rig for her. She said shoulder holster, but I said if you're trying to get what you can and try to get home, you don't have time to disrobe(?) and put on a shoulder holster! Just grab your backpack, assemble the bike, and head for home. I'm thinking of a set of handitalkies in metal boxes and wrapped in foil to survive EMP, so MAYBE we could make contact with each other. The radio frequencies should be pretty clear for a while, depending on how many "preppers" had stashes of electronic gear for such an eventuality.
Anyhow, I would prefer a P9, but the cost for a "spare" gun is easier with the CW9.
Getting a bit off topic.... :rolleyes:

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Oh, the safe is another topic, but since you mentioned it, I've been thinking about an EMP attack taking out my electronically locked safe! :eek: I don't know if it's enough, but I devised a temporary metal cookie can cover with a couple of magnets to hold it in place over the electronic combination panel. I'm not sure it will work and maybe it needs a grounding strap, too, but I'm going to Harbor Freight and see what they have that I might can use. It would be a b!tch to have a bunch of your guns and stuff unavailable after an EMP attack... when you might need them the most!!:eek:

Always trying to think outside the BOX!:D :behindsofa:

Wynn:)

[Armybrat]

Well, the plastic box my CW45 came in last November is a tad bit too small for the pistol, and the 7 round mag will not fit at all.

As far as safes go, I prefer the old combination dial lock on mine. Never have trusted anything that depends on a battery.

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w349/ScoPro/Armybrat2/Spring2012031.jpg

[wyntrout]

I WOULD have preferred that, but I thought what I got was a decent deal in size and cost. I DO want to try to prevent it from being knocked out by Solar OR weapon EMP, though. I started a thread about this:

Preparedness isn't just for "Preppers"!

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12073

Wynn:)

[Armybrat]

Whoops, dunno why my pic is so big and horizontal - I already rotated & downsized it on Photobucket before posting. :confused:

[O'Dell]

Oh, the safe is another topic, but since you mentioned it, I've been thinking about an EMP attack taking out my electronically locked safe! :eek: I don't know if it's enough, but I devised a temporary metal cookie can cover with a couple of magnets to hold it in place over the electronic combination panel. I'm not sure it will work and maybe it needs a grounding strap, too, but I'm going to Harbor Freight and see what they have that I might can use. It would be a b!tch to have a bunch of your guns and stuff unavailable after an EMP attack... when you might need them the most!!:eek:

Always trying to think outside the BOX!:D :behindsofa:

Wynn:)

Great! Now you've given me something new to worry about. Thanks :rolleyes:

[wyntrout]

Well, you could be sitting the FD&H after an EMP event, thinking that it's a good thing you had a safe full of guns ready to go.:D

Some of these new worries bear some thought, though.

Wynn:)

[SpecK]

So Im not so sure we're still talking about this but about a month ago my new one came with a box. I like the idea of it even if I never use it. "Being sent back to the mothership" would be the only reason I hang on to them, but with my Kahr I dont think Ill ever need it. However, a little price break might sway me...

Does anybody use theirs to take to the range?

Poor guys trying to talk about cardboard and Wyn goes all armageddon on us. -- Kidding :D

[wagon]

Cool! If a cardboard box is good enough for a $2000 Les Baer 1911, it's good enough for a Kahr. :)

VERY nice gun it is...

I never knew a $2k handguns such as Les Baer, etc.. don't come in a proper case!!!

It's (almost) like a Piaget luxury watch comes in a ... paper box?

Wow ...

Guess I should praise & bow to Kahr that a mere <$400 CW does at least come with some box? :D

[wyntrout]

Dang! If you're just going to shoot off a mag or two, I guess that little box is enough. I carry a whole lot of stuff to the range... MY OWN muffs, eye protection hundreds of rounds of ammo, loaders, targets, tools, and all kinds of stuff I MIGHT need.

And, having the box, manual, and other stuff makes the gun more salable, I think. It always bothers me when someone is trying to sell a gun, car, or electronic device and they have no manual or anything! I usually still have the box and all documentation... whether I read any of it or not. I don't throw much away. "Almost" O.C.D. :rolleyes:

I have every receipt for my stuff and all of the papers... instructions and so forth, but I guess some people do take the gun and throw everything else away... then come here and ask questions that are explained at the manufacturer's site or in the manual... or those little red or yellow "Read me first" warning thingies in some boxes!:D

"DANG! There's a ding in one of the rails in my polymer frame!"

"Can I shoot +P in this gun?"

"How do you ...?

Not that I haven't done some of that. :rolleyes:

Wynn:)

[jocko]

[QUOTE=wagon;147693]VERY nice gun it is...

I never knew a $2k handguns such as Les Baer, etc.. don't come in a proper case!!!

It's (almost) like a Piaget luxury watch comes in a ... paper box?

see a Patek watch box, they sell for over a grando n ebay if u can even find one:behindsofa:

but it also turns into one beautiful jewelry box after the watch leaves the case. course I guess one could wipe his ass with a les bauer paper box:behindsofa: just sayin

[Bawanna]

Me too and I totally dig those telephones on top of it too. I'd love to find one of those to put on my desk at work. I don't even have a phone since I can't hear on it but it would be a cool conversation piece. I thought about an old dial telephone but those would be even cooler.

Nice looking safe too. I have a Browning with the dial. I'd like to get another just like it with the door reversed so with both doors open I could access either/or without door interference.

[TucsonMTB]

I guess one could wipe his ass with a les bauer paper box:behindsofa: just sayin

Yeah, you probably could. http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/icon_lol.gif

Most people who buy Les Baer 1911's have no intention of ever selling them, making the presence of the original box less critical, I guess.

My Kimbers and my Dan Wesson all have plastic cases that are currently stacked up in the back of a closet somewhere. If I ever sell one, the buyer is certain to want the box and original stuff that came with the gun. I saved it for him. :D

[Bawanna]

I always keep all the original stuff, even cardboard boxes for rifles etc. Anything I get with it gets saved. Accessories I don't use get stored in the box for future reference.

Kind of a pain having a stack of cardboard and stuff but in a 100 years they might be collectable and I might make a killing on it ya know. Maybe 125 years.

[jocko]

alot of these ol 33 rpm records are worth nuttin without the dust cover they came in.

[Mike_B]

Kahr sells the plastic boxes if anyone needs one.....

[wagon]

Kahr sells the plastic boxes if anyone needs one.....

You're missing the point ... :D

[Cokeman]

If the price was less I would be OK. I like finding my own case anyway.

Are no Kahrs getting cases or just the CMs and CWs?

[kmans]

Just purchased a new CW9 through my local gun dealer for $395. It did come in a plastic box but I would gladly have paid $370 without the plastic box. Once the gun comes home I put the plastic box in the bottom of my closet and do not use it again unless I trade or sell the gun so bring on the paper boxes.

[Tslepebull]

I bought my CW9 last week to replace the KelTec PM-9 I had been carrying. I also looked at the Ruger LC9 but for the extra $20 I liked the SS finish on the Kahr better. My CW9 came in the cardboard box and was $388 OTD inchuding tax. I have already purchased two extra magazines and a Desantis SofTuc holster for it.

BTW I already sold the KelTec and accessories for nearly as much as the CW9 cost (pre tax)

[jocko]

ur kahr slide is total stainless, not a stainless steel finish. I think u menat that to kbut wanted to clarify. Ur kel tec if a PFG9 not a PM9, that is kahrs designation. The Ruger LC9 is a nice gun, not stainless in any way, certainly from what I have read not the smooth trigger system kahrs has either, but again IMO neither is a target gun and both will go bang. U made the right choice. The CW9 is one of klahrs best sellers, no doubt about that.

The lc9 is hammer fired, ur kahr is striker fired. The lc9 has an external safety, ur kahr has the loooong smooth trigger, certainly cleaner looking lines.

[OldLincoln]

Perhaps Kahr could sell a special super elite gun with one of those fancy aluminum cases with the foam cutouts of the gun and a few mags. It would only add about $100 to the price and there's an obvious demand as seen in this thread.

I always carry my gun in my case, a Garrett Silent Thunder. I wish the gun had come in a cardboard box as the plastic one just takes space. Yet I won't get rid of it because it will add value should I sell. If it originally came in cardboard wouldn't matter.

PS: Just occurred to me that perhaps Garrett could make a deal with Kahr and have the Silent Thunder shipped with the gun. Problem solved.

[TucsonMTB]

Perhaps Kahr could sell a special super elite gun with one of those fancy aluminum cases with the foam cutouts of the gun and a few mags. It would only add about $100 to the price and there's an obvious demand as seen in this thread.

I always carry my gun in my case, a Garrett Silent Thunder. I wish the gun had come in a cardboard box as the plastic one just takes space. Yet I won't get rid of it because it will add value should I sell. If it originally came in cardboard wouldn't matter.

PS: Just occurred to me that perhaps Garrett could make a deal with Kahr and have the Silent Thunder shipped with the gun. Problem solved.
Great marketing idea and it would definitely sell, or so I believe.

But, be careful what you wish for. It seems like Kahr likes to have at least semi-exclusive distribution rights to items they sell on their web site . . . leading to a general lack of availability elsewhere. Just a guess on my part based on the inability to buy some Kahr recoil springs directly from Wolff and the scarcity of some night sights listed on Kahr's web site, but not many (any?) other places.

Yeah, conspiracy theories are everywhere! :rolleyes:

[jocko]

I am not sure wolffs has any agreement with kahr to make recoil springs for all models of kahrs, it is just that wolffs is so so damn slow in getting aorund to doing \it. It took a very long time for wolffs to come oput with anything for the lcp ruger. I sometimes even think wolffs doesnt know of all the different models of makers guns . If the demand is enough, they eventually get arond to doing it. I forsee down the road the outter recoil spring for the new model slide cm ad M kahrs.

How long has the Ruger SR9's been out? No wolffs recoil springs for them yet, but yet they make springs for damn ear everythinbg elsein the ruger line. hard to figure how their priorites are to.:third:

[TucsonMTB]

How long has the Ruger SR9's been out? No wolffs recoil springs for them yet, but yet they make springs for damn ear everythinbg elsein the ruger line. hard to figure how their priorites are to.:third:
Certainly beyond my powers . . .

http://shopruger.com/images/63036_L.jpg

I see that Ruger sells the SR9 ecoil assembly for $5 (http://shopruger.com/VS02060-100-SR9c-SR40c-Guide-Rod-Assembly/productinfo/63036/)! Probably difficult for anyone to compete with that. :eek:

[jocko]

complete for $5 u betchit is ahell of adeal. look at kahrs PM and CM captive systems. $25.

course that really never bothered wollfss either, they make most kel tek springs and u can basicly buy um fro KT about the same price.

[roy rogers]

If the price was less I would be OK. I like finding my own case anyway.

Are no Kahrs getting cases or just the CMs and CWs?

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.

[TucsonMTB]

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.
That's good news. Congratulations! It will probably be several weeks before the existing distributor inventory (with boxes) is depleted . . . maybe longer. :)

[Cokeman]

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.

Why would you hate to tell me that? :confused:

[CJB]

Considering I'll be taking a dirt nap in a cardboard box someday.... no biggie.

[wagon]

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.

That is CHEAP! And I thought I had a good deal. Congrat.

[Cokeman]

LE discount?

[MLESa7990]

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.

Just because you bought NIB, doesn't mean it was made yesterday. That gun could have been sitting for some time.

I think the switch to cardboard just recently happened.

[roy rogers]

LE discount?

Nope. Just a killer deal. I had been planning to get one sometime but when Sportsman's Warehouse came out with that sale, it sealed the deal. Didn't figure it would get any cheaper.

[Cokeman]

Reason for the sale?

[roy rogers]

No idea. They run some specials from time to time. This one just happened to be what I was looking to buy. My range typically sells it for $359 so I was very surprised to see in at $329. Can't miss on that deal. That saves enough to buy another mag.

[Armybrat]

Hate to tell you this but I bought a NIB CW9 today for $329 + tax at Sportsman Warehouse and it came in a plastic box.

Well dayyuum!

I woulda bought that just what fer, even though I don't "need" another Kahr (recently bought a CW45 and gifted my PM9 to my son).

Unfortunately, the Sportsman's Warehouse In Round Rock closed over a year ago. :mad:

[Cokeman]

How long is the sale?

[JFootin]

No idea. They run some specials from time to time. This one just happened to be what I was looking to buy. My range typically sells it for $359 so I was very surprised to see in at $329. Can't miss on that deal. That saves enough to buy another mag.

When I go to Sportsman's Warehouse online, they list all kinds of gun accessories, but I cannot find guns and searches come up blank.

[roy rogers]

cokeman, Not sure. They usually run them for about a week or so. I'll be out that way tomorrow and I'll stop in and check.