How are you going the whole day without bending over/constantly adjusting shirt?

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Any of the holsters I've tried to wear with my cm9 at 4 -5 love to grab the tshirt I'm wearning as soon as I move, turn, or bend at all. I need to be constantly pulling my shirt down to avoid it from hanging behind the gun and my body. I even put a button up (untucked) shirt over the tshirt and I'm still getting the same result. An undershirt isn't the solution to this, maybe a bunch of layers would work but that's just burying what I might need and is going to be too hot in the summer.

Any suggestions on how you over come this? The holsters I'm using are not currently using slide guards, not sure if that would make a difference. Is a slide guard worth it? I'm considering going with a high noon tail gate or tail gunner instead of my split decision which is slightly uncomfortable without a shirt.

[N0YZE]

I use a silent thunder holster, never had this problem. Are you using one inside the waistband or on the belt? Inside the waistband might help if you haven't tried that.

Other than that, silk or rayon shirts should help. :)

[DLButler]

I use a Sneaky Pete holster. I can wear it anytime, even shirtless.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

I'm attempting iwb. I'm about 5'6" 150ish. I have a theis and pj holster on the way, I hope to not strike out with them as well.

[Tinman507]

Printing and snagging depend on tightness of shirt, color of shirt and the fabric.
Cotton T-shirts sent to snag on stuff if I try to squeeze into my old sized ones. If I wear the proper size I'm good. Darker is generally better for disappearance. Synthetic quick-dry fabrics tend to be a little more forgiving in the proper size. You definitely have to make some compromises when carrying IWB.
I use a Theis IWB at 4. Have a PJHolster on it's way to me right now.
Keep trying different combinations and you'll find something that works for you.

[lowroad]

One of the many reasons I am retraining myself to carry at 3 o' clock. 4 or 5 feels more comfy but is constantly poking out, making me (and others) aware of the gun. No bueno. 3 is also easier to restrain one handed, reholster, etc..

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Lowroad, what are you using at 3? Thanks for the comments everyone.

[lowroad]

currently an ebay knock off version of a crossbreed I got for $35 and trimmed into a micro tuck single clip type configuration. I have a Pj's on the way, which should arrive today, and I will report back for you. I have been "made" before carrying at 4-5 o'clock in a very inconvenient place and time. Won't happen again. I keep that sucker right on my hip now. Takes a little getting used to, but I think the benefits far outweigh the slight lack of comfort.

[WMD]

I carry my PM9 in a Don Hume IWB at 3:30. It does not snag on anything and is quite comfy.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

I carry my PM9 in a Don Hume IWB at 3:30. It does not snag on anything and is quite comfy.

I'm looking at a custom holster on eBay that looks like the 715. I'm not sure if no cant will help or hurt my problem.

[JFootin]

The PJ IWB works for me at 8:30. T-shirts are kind of thin, which causes the problem you are having. Although some Ts are made of thicker material. And, as TinMan said, loose is better. A shirt that is patterned or plaid helps. I find that a loose polo works well. I sometimes wear a sleeveless T under it to keep the holster off my skin, but just a little folded square of cloth behind it would do, such as a handkerchief. Some people attach moleskin(?) to the back of their holsters to wear them against the skin. I might try that with my PJ.

[dkmatthews]

I use a N8^2 Tactical (www.n82tactical.com) with my T9 and TP45 at 6 o'clock. It's supremely comfortable and I've never had an issue with snagging or printing. I also just received a Crossbreed, so I'm learning how to wear a tuckable holster at 3 or 4 o'clock.

[yqtszhj]

I carry my PM9 in a Don Hume IWB at 3:30. It does not snag on anything and is quite comfy.

+1 on the Don Hume and I appendix carry 1:30-2:00

[1slinginlead2]

Any of the holsters I've tried to wear with my cm9 at 4 -5 love to grab the tshirt I'm wearning as soon as I move, turn, or bend at all. I need to be constantly pulling my shirt down to avoid it from hanging behind the gun and my body. I even put a button up (untucked) shirt over the tshirt and I'm still getting the same result. An undershirt isn't the solution to this, maybe a bunch of layers would work but that's just burying what I might need and is going to be too hot in the summer.

Any suggestions on how you over come this? The holsters I'm using are not currently using slide guards, not sure if that would make a difference. Is a slide guard worth it? I'm considering going with a high noon tail gate or tail gunner instead of my split decision which is slightly uncomfortable without a shirt.

I know what you mean, I have the same problem. I carry a M&P 9c in a M-TAC at about 4:30 with a high ride for full grip. Mine is fine until i sit down and then stand back up. When I stand i always catch my shirt riding up and hanging on the grip. The gun doesn't show normally but it does hang on it. I wear a XL button up t shirt usually. Maybe I need to try a smaller shirt like one of the posters suggested or different position.

[AIRret]

LL Bean makes polo shirts that have extra long tails. The bottom of the shirt is straight and the side has small (3") vents and the back of the shirt is longer than the front. Don't worry it does not look stupid.
Another holster you might try is the "Stealth Holster". It is basically a crotch holster but you can wear it anywhere. Sometimes I use it like a belly band. My husband has borrowed it a couple of times and likes it so well that he has ordered one. The Stealth is not as fast on the draw as some other holsters but it is a nice option when nothing else seems to work; i.e. bike riding, or wearing shorts (that may not have belt loops) and a tank top.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

LL Bean makes polo shirts that have extra long tails. The bottom of the shirt is straight and the side has small (3") vents and the back of the shirt is longer than the front. Don't worry it does not look stupid.
Another holster you might try is the "Stealth Holster". It is basically a crotch holster but you can wear it anywhere. Sometimes I use it like a belly band. My husband has borrowed it a couple of times and likes it so well that he has ordered one. The Stealth is not as fast on the draw as some other holsters but it is a nice option when nothing else seems to work; i.e. bike riding, or wearing shorts (that may not have belt loops) and a tank top.

That's like the smart carry? Seems like it would be a lot to shove in my pants. I bought a belly band setup for jogging and biking.

[lowroad]

LL Bean makes polo shirts that have extra long tails. The bottom of the shirt is straight and the side has small (3") vents and the back of the shirt is longer than the front. Don't worry it does not look stupid.

It's a polo shirt, of course it looks stupid. :19:

[Tinman507]

http://bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/4_popped-collars_cool.jpg

[wyntrout]

I wear all-cotton Large-sized polos and T-shirts... non-shrinking and voluminous. I still make sure that my shirt tails are down... untucked and not hanging up on my XB Minituck. I wear IWB at 3:30 to 4 o'clock to cut down on extra "width" or bulk at the side. I still have to be careful reaching high in stores or bending over. At least we can PRINT down here now.

Cabela's has some inexpensive large Polos that are pretty voluminous when I get them in LARGE. I could wear a medium, but that's just too tight for CCW.
Long and loose, or voluminous works for me... that and a good, sturdy GUN BELT... as my Looper Kydex-reinforced one is.

Tucking is rare... for weddings and funerals... when I MUST wear shirt and ties, etc.:eek: (As are long pants!)

Wynn:)

[DubDubU]

non-shrinking and voluminous
Is that pc for fatboy?

[AIRret]

Hey AKahrt, Yes the Stealth is like the smart carry but you don't have to place it low in the crotch. I can carry at 8:30 or appendix with 1/3 (or more) of the handle above my belt line. My point is that you can REALLY vary where and how deep you place the gun. That said, my PJ is still a faster draw and much easier to holster, but again it doesn't work in all situations.
Almost forgot, the Stealth and the smart carry both have a second pocket for your extra mag.

[OldLincoln]

I got a few Sonoma T shirts that are 100% cotton, didn't shrink much. I am 6'0" & 185lbs and wear X-Large for the roominess. They look good and hang perfect about 4" below the belt line. They don't ride up or print. I think I got them at Target for less them $10 on sale. Bought some similar at Walmart for $5.

If your shirt is grabbing your IWB that is not otherwise printing you should consider a larger shirt, especially when you get your Beardog IWB mag holder.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Yeah I think my wardrobe is some of the problem, thanks everyone.

[Replay13]

If your printing when you bend over wear your pistol up front. I find I can even wear levies and untucked cotton t-shirt, I wear my cell phone on that side and it hides any small crease with my t-shirt going around it. Its nice to have options with different clothing.
James

[Deano]

Check out Duluth Trading online store. They make T-Shirts that have an extra 3 inches in length, in several colors, designed to end plumbers crack. They work wonders for concealed carry.

Here's the link: http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/duluth-ingenuity/mens-longtail-t-shirts/mens-longtail-t-shirts.aspx?

[Deano]

This shirt called the no-polo is thicker and has a longer tail in back. Also a good one for CC.
http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/duluth-ingenuity/no-polos/no-polos.aspx

By the way, I don't work for this company. I just like their stuff. Not cheap but great quality. Also, any order over $75 you get free shipping and a pretty nice pocket knife by mentioning the promo code T12PK3.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Duluth trading's flagship store is about fifteen minutes from me, I went there looking at belts (went a different direction) but I will definitely check the shirts out.

[johnh]

I use a Crossbreed Supertuck most of the time, but with my shirts untucked. I tend to wear a size larger than I need--both for concealment, and also to allow for the shirt to shrink. I have not had any issues like you report. I am also thinking a function of wardrobe and perhaps how the holster holds the gun. If it is a bit high, it may snag more. I carry mine pretty low. I am also skinny, so there is more cloth loose. That might make a difference if the cloth is tight and does not easily move free of the gun.

[wyntrout]

I have a BUNCH of the Duluth No-Polos and the 3" extra longer T-shirts, too. My old drier overheated, though, and could make the Duluth Polos a little shorter but they're still large enough. I buy a size larger, too.

Eddie Bauer stuff tends to be generous in size and not shrink. Land's End shirts are a little less generous in T-shirts and I use Large-sized Polos which work pretty well.

Penney's Polos tend to shrink easily. I'm talking about all-cotton. That's all I wear.

The Cabela's Polos are the most generous. I could probably get by with a medium in those.

I went on a buying spree last year because I needed better shirts for CCW. I also broke down and bought a new clothes dryer that doesn't cook my clothes any more.

Wynn:)

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

They talk about holsters and belts but never clothes dryers haha.

[wyntrout]

I replaced the heat protection device a few times, but it probably needed a new thermostat. The first replacement lasted about 6 years, the next a few months, so I bought a new dryer that doesn't overcook my clothes and make my shirts smaller... usually SHORTER and WIDER. I had a BUNCH of Van Heusen Polos that did that quickly... sold them in a garage sale... many dozens.

Wynn:)

[Husky44]

I like Duluth's stuff, and it's definitely heavy duty, but both the sweatshirt I got from them and the sweatpants shrunk lengthwise. Keep that in mind when ordering...

[Deano]

I replaced the heat protection device a few times, but it probably needed a new thermostat. The first replacement lasted about 6 years, the next a few months, so I bought a new dryer that doesn't overcook my clothes and make my shirts smaller... usually SHORTER and WIDER. I had a BUNCH of Van Heusen Polos that did that quickly... sold them in a garage sale... many dozens.

Wynn:)Are you sure it's your dryer making your shirts SHORTER and WIDER, or is it you wearing them???? :D

[wyntrout]

No, I had several brands of shirts do that. They shrunk up and got wider... not that I haven't, but it seemed the way the fiber and the weave worked when heated too much. The dryer got really hot. The new one leaves stuff with some moisture... much better.

Wider and shorter is not good for CCW!

Wynn:D

[Deano]

No, I had several brands of shirts do that. They shrunk up and got wider... not that I haven't, but it seemed the way the fiber and the weave worked when heated too much. The dryer got really hot. The new one leaves stuff with some moisture... much better.

Wider and shorter is not good for CCW!

Wynn:D
Nah, I know, I was just foolin' witcha

[wyntrout]

Old age and gravity make you get shorter... and eating more than you need for your daily activities does tend to make you wider, too. <sigh>

I had better get back to my book and see if I can get sleepy! Later!

Wynn:)

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

I received the pj holster yesterday and it definitely helped my issue. It disapears under almost anything and at 3/330!

[OldLincoln]

Another option..... as long as you don't get plumber's crack when you bend over you should be able to tuck your shirt in and many/most IWB holsters are tuckable. I carry that way a lot and even gun people don't see any print. An untucked shirt makes me look for a print just to see if I can see the gun. My old large cell phone is in a case that bulges a lot with untucked shirts which I don't like.

PS: JohnH... Why is "cell phone" spelled as one word considered porn by the forum filter??

[jg rider]

What I do is carry a K9, PM9, in very reasonably priced Don Hume JIT holsters. I've also carry a 1911 commander in a JIT holster. . I weave my belt belt through all the belt loops except the one at my hip area. I also try to wear a nylon belt. This allows me to easily slide the holster any anywhere from behind the hip to the appendix.

In a car I slide it to in front of my hip bone so it's not digging into the seat or my waist. When bending I casually use the back of my hand to slide it to the appendix position, no one ever notices the movement. The nylon belt makes for an easy slide.

When wearing a vest or jacket, I usually carry at or just behind the hip bone and use a knife edge swipe to get at the gun.

When wearing a loose fitting shirt outside my pants I still usually carry in the same position but if get a tingly sensation, I'll casually slide the holster to the appendix position so that I can easily lift my shirt and draw.

When wearing a size larger T shirt I carry in front of the hip bone.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Odds%20and%20ends/JITholsters003.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Odds%20and%20ends/JITholsters004.jpg


I'm not trying to sound like a know it all, I'm just explaining what works for me. I've been carrying concealed for over 25 yrs. so I know what works or doesn't for me. IWB doesn't work becauseof my spare tire and its a fixed position, and it's uncomfortable. I learned to bend at the knees not at the waist when using one of these. Pancake style holsters IMHO print more than people think unless they want to have a tourniquet around their waist. The front holster slot pulls in the front of the holster but it also pushes out the heel of the gun, and isn't that what we're trying to conceal. And the double slots also make it hard to to slide the holster around. And the front wing limits how far forward you can go

IMHO the above style holster is the best for for me. A guy by the name of Bruce Nelson first came up with the design and called it The professional. Now it has different names like: Hume JIT, Askins Avenger, Fist Sportsman, Milt Sparks 55BN, (the BN stands for Bruce Nelson), and many others. If you do a search for Bruce Nelson holsters you'll see what I mean.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it
John

[JFootin]

Keep sticking to your story, John. Sounds like wisdom born of experience to me! :yo:

John

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Does the jit go inside the belt owb or outside like a regular owb?

[jg rider]

Does the jit go inside the belt owb or outside like a regular owb?

Outside like a regular holster

[houdini]

I use a crossbreed supertux holster works great.

[apheod]

i'm 6'2 190, and carrying at 1 o'clock has been the best solution i've found to this, but you'll probably need a new holster. the garrett silent thunder or andrews macdaniel ii are both great for AIWB.

it's not as comfortable as regular IWB though. i carry at about 3:30 (used to carry at 4:30, move it up to deal with the grip snagging issue) and try to be careful about how i move, as john said, remember to bend at the knees rather than at the hips. i usually wear untucked t-shirts, so it can happen fairly easily, but i'm not going to change my whole wardrobe based on it. wearing your belt tight can help pull the butt of that gun in closer to the body.

generally i only wear my AIWB holster if i know i'm going to be seated a lot, long car trip, going out to eat, something like that, but it conceals far better too.

[Krusty]

How about a "Mansierre"? That will draw the attention away from the Hips,rotfl!:yo:

[JFootin]

James Dean is working on a holster for me to carry my J-frame at about 11:00 (lefty). We have played around with names for this custom holster: JD came up with "JFootin JFrame AIWB Holster" and I came up with "Hillbilly John's Laid Back AIWB Holster" because it is reverse canted. LOL! :p Here is the latest image from his workbench.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/jlaudio29/IMAG0398.jpg

The negative cant and low ride will, I am confident, do the following:


Orient the gun and holster so that they won't jam against my leg when I am seated, greatly enhancing comfort.
Make the grip lay down horizontally very near my belt where my middle aged spread expands above it, causing any shirt to drape over it with no printing. If the cant were zero the grip would stick up and be pushed outward by my spread, printing terribly and jamming the muzzle end into my belly.
Present the gun to my hand at an ideal angle for a quick draw. You can see what I mean by placing your hand at the AIWB position and looking at the angle of your hand.

The clip is sized correctly to fit a 1 1/2" belt and is tuckable.

I keep saying, James is an extremely talented holster maker! He has met my very detailed specifications for this custom holster 100%! And isn't it a handsome design? :)

I believe this holster is going to be comfortable for all day carry. I'll let you know after I have it and have worn it for a few days.

[Deano]

Looks like a very nice design. I don't think I could go all day with a loaded weapon pointed at my junk though. Maybe some day. I know it's safe, but man, it makes me queazy.

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

I have a tuckable holster that isn't like that but has the same sort of attached tucking apparatus. I don't like how it can spin on the single bolt/screw. I doubt that'll be the issue with the one you have but that was just my experience. Also, I won't again buy a holster that is not reinforced and reholsterable. That looks like a quality piece you are working on there.

[JFootin]

I have a tuckable holster that isn't like that but has the same sort of attached tucking apparatus. I don't like how it can spin on the single bolt/screw. I doubt that'll be the issue with the one you have but that was just my experience. Also, I won't again buy a holster that is not reinforced and reholsterable. That looks like a quality piece you are working on there.

Well, James is doing all the work! :p On this one, the the tuckable panel that holds the clip is sewn into place. The screw is just to hold the metal clip in place. So there won't be any rotating.

[wyntrout]

Why I gave up shirts with buttons:

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/4e736ca0480f012f2fd100163e41dd5b

Wynn:D

[CJB]

front pocket carry.... works every time.

[JohnInFlorida]

I tried 4:00 carry and found that I had the same problems that you describe. My solution is "appendix carry" ... PM9 in a Crossbreed Supertuck style IWB holster @ 1:30 ... invisible and does not require "tending" to keep concealed.

[wyntrout]

Dang! I couldn't fit my Minituck and a pistol there... especially sitting down!

I wear my pants/shorts somewhere south of my navel... between these two extremes. Are you like the old guys on the right??

Wynn:D

[DangerDan87]

I have been using a sto n go for the last couple months, i hate it. The only thing i like it for is running... it is not at all comfortable with a belt.

[RedRyder]

I carry my P9 in a Don Hume JIT Slide at 3 o'clock. I'm a big guy and wear a bulky long tailed shirt or a shirt designed to be outside of pants with a long enough hem to cover easily. I would like to have a slide guard on this holster though especially with summer coming on, just to keep sweat off the slide and me a bit more comfortable.

HOpe that helps a bit. :D

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

Today I had a tucked polo over my high noon split decision, it worked except I felt completely self conscious of the clip. My Better Belt and Theis holster do an amazing job of alleviating my problems.

[JFootin]

Today I had a tucked polo over my high noon split decision, it worked except I felt completely self conscious of the clip. My Better Belt and Theis holster do an amazing job of alleviating my problems.

I have a cell phone case with two belt loops and a clip in the middle. I removed the clip so i can place it in front of the clip for my AIWB holster.

How does the Theis holster solve the problem with, not one, but two clips showing in your belt?

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

I have a cell phone case with two belt loops and a clip in the middle. I removed the clip so i can place it in front of the clip for my AIWB holster.

How does the Theis holster solve the problem with, not one, but two clips showing in your belt?

Sorry for the confusion, I meant with a tshirt or anything that isn't tucked in the theis is great. You are correct about one clip vs two. I'm ordering some aftermarket leather loop clips that I'm going to try out with that holster and see if they look more natural than the kydex clips against a leather belt.

[jg rider]

I carry my P9 in a Don Hume JIT Slide at 3 o'clock. I'm a big guy and wear a bulky long tailed shirt or a shirt designed to be outside of pants with a long enough hem to cover easily. I would like to have a slide guard on this holster though especially with summer coming on, just to keep sweat off the slide and me a bit more comfortable.

HOpe that helps a bit. :D

I really like my JITs. But I agree, I'd like to find one with a sweat shield. But only covers the slide area, not one that goes behind the grip. I think that could hinder drawing.