Guide me wise ones...

[lowroad]

Suppose a feller has a grand and wanted a Tommy gun. I want detachable stock, all wood obviously, ability to use sticks or drums, and reliability, reliability, and some more reiliability. I am not particular about barrel length, I can cut it, weld, reblue down the road if need be. 1927A1?

[lowroad]

Am I right in thinking taht I am looking to spend more like $1500 and go with the deluxe with detachable stock?

http://www.impactguns.com/thompson-1927a1-deluxe-wdetachable-stock-45-semi-auto-t1b-602686211109.aspx

[Bawanna]

I have the 27A1 and it takes drums and sticks. I swapped the vertical foregrip for a horizontal forend which was easy.

Only one I know for sure that takes both stick and drum, there may be others but I don't know which.

You'll have to do the Short Barrel Rifle license to shorten the barrel up any. Once you get that you can buy a 10" barrel.

There is a place (forget who right now) that has a quick change barrel setup and you can buy a blank firing 10" barrel. Little too pricey for me now but I thought about doing that so I could have the 10" barrel when it's on the counter as a conversation piece, and put the long barrel on to go shoot legally.

1500 sounds like a good ball park, most likely a bit more perhaps.

[lowroad]

mmmm, no, I can cut the barrel down a couple inches and permanently weld the flash hider to make it a permanent part of the barrel, equating to the legal 16.5 inches. But anyway, detachable stock is the main issue, and the only viable option I see for that is the 1927A1 deluxe with detachable stock which comes in a hair under $1500 from several retailers.

[jocko]

bawanna how do u like the 27A1, ???Is it a reliable gun, ammo sensitive?? or what.

[Bawanna]

bawanna how do u like the 27A1, ???Is it a reliable gun, ammo sensitive?? or what.

Mine, knock on wood just runs and runs. I do have a couple magazines that don't seem to feed well but they are ones I modified to fit the Kahr. The ones that came with it and the drum give no issues at all.

I've just finished modifying the mag catch so I don't need to ruin GI mags anymore. Haven't tested it since I did that. I'm hoping they work good too.

It does weigh a ton, it's incredibly heavy. The bolt alone on that puppy is 5 # I'd bet. Rumor has it the full autos like you see in the movies are much lighter. I thought the officers got it easy with Tommy's instead of Garands but this thing is heavier than my Garand by a lot.

I don't shoot it often but it's a ton of fun and all I gotta do it take it out and the whole range wants to be my friend and play with it which I usually allow usually depending on my profile.

[CJB]

Rumor has it the full autos like you see in the movies are much lighter.

No, the full auto's are not any lighter at all. They are heavy SOB's.

My old co-worker Larry R. had one, full auto, with the papers stuck under the buttplate on the stock. If fed almost everything, including cast reload SWCs.

The nice thing about the weight is the way it just "hangs" in the air in fall auto. That is - once you go auto, there is no rise at all if you almost let go of the gun. It just hangs in the air and is VERY controllable in full auto. Other 45 machinegun/machinpistols are notably hard to control - such as the Ingram/MAC-10, which has a very bad climb, even with the longer barrel, and wire stock, or for that matter, even with the SIONICS supressor (which I've also shot).

My old MAC-11/.380 would occasionally see full auto fire... and it was fairly controllable, but it only shot 88g bullets.

[AJBert]

I bought a 1927A1 last year that came with the Kahr/AO hard case, violin case, 50 rd drum and 30 rd stick that had a sticker price on it of $1399.99, though it does not have the detachable stock. Ended up paying a little less than that after taxes due to my employee discount.

I've only run Rem UMC through it without a problem and I'll agree, IT IS HEAVY!!! Add on the drum fully loaded and you get your work out for the day. I've only used the drum once as it is a PITA to load and even more of a PITA to get it out of the gun once empty (learn third hand). The stick is much easier to use and only twenty rounds shy.

Looking back at the link you posted, that one doesn't come with a 50 rd drum. Go to the Kahr shop and check the prices on one of those. Not very cheap. So, in reality, you are looking closer to $1800 if you are wanting a drum. And let's be honest, how can one have a Tommy Gun without the drum? (military versions aside, of course!)

[Bawanna]

Totally agree, I sometimes keep mine on my desk on a little stand I built. I always leave the bolt open wearing the drum. Somebody will always come buy and drop the bolt and then the wrestling match begins as I always leave the 3rd hand at home. Thought about putting it on a string and wearing it as a necklace.

The sticks are even a little tricky to load not like an AR where you got a hole to shove it in, (that don't sound right huh?).

Your exactly right though, if you got a Tommy, ya gotta have a drum.

Mine is the Kahr version that came in the plastic case, I didn't get a violin case but a 50 rd drum and 2 30rd sticks. I've since got 6 more. I have two that aren't modified and hope to get half a dozen more.

I might have 6 modified mags for somebody that has to have the modified mags soon as I find some unmessed with ones. Or maybe somebody has some they were gonna mod we could swap?

[lowroad]

I bought a 1927A1 last year that came with the Kahr/AO hard case, violin case, 50 rd drum and 30 rd stick that had a sticker price on it of $1399.99, though it does not have the detachable stock. Ended up paying a little less than that after taxes due to my employee discount.

I've only run Rem UMC through it without a problem and I'll agree, IT IS HEAVY!!! Add on the drum fully loaded and you get your work out for the day. I've only used the drum once as it is a PITA to load and even more of a PITA to get it out of the gun once empty (learn third hand). The stick is much easier to use and only twenty rounds shy.

Looking back at the link you posted, that one doesn't come with a 50 rd drum. Go to the Kahr shop and check the prices on one of those. Not very cheap. So, in reality, you are looking closer to $1800 if you are wanting a drum. And let's be honest, how can one have a Tommy Gun without the drum? (military versions aside, of course!)
Oh yes, the drum is an absolute must. I am rethinking the stock thing a bit. I could completely be happy with a deal such as you posted. I'll keep my eyes open, thanks!

[lowroad]

hm, looks like about $1575 for one with a 30 rd stick and a 50 rd drum, w/detachable from bud's. I'm gonna see if my dealer can meet or beat it

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_903/products_id/411540477

[vedearduff]

I have the 1927a1 with the detachable stock. I almost purchased the version with the fixed stock with the idea of converting it to detachable. There is a kit available that makes this rather easy, but you either have to settle for a not quite right look or you need to reprofile the frame. By the time you pay for the kit and the mill work to reprofile, you end up with a higher cost than the price of the detachable stock version.

Here are a couple of photos.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj171/vedearduff/Thompson-01.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj171/vedearduff/Thompson-02.jpg

So far, I have 200 rounds through the gun with no problems at all. I have the 30 round stick and the 50 round drum that it came with and 5 20 round sticks purchased from At The Front. I will be altering the mag catch to work with the 20 rounders.

Vernon

[lowroad]

Yep, that's the one. I've decided that's it. If I get non-detachable, I'll jsut never be happy. thanks for posting it. It's gorgeous!

[AJBert]

I might have 6 modified mags for somebody that has to have the modified mags soon as I find some unmessed with ones. Or maybe somebody has some they were gonna mod we could swap?
Keep me in mind when you are ready to get rid of your six mod'd mags!

[QuercusMax]

I have fantasized for decades (literally) about owning an actual"Tommy gun, but other than then cool factor is there any real reason for buying a non-class 3 semi-auto version?

I could really imagine having one of these sitting next to me right now, but still...

It's strange - Kahr is a brand that is really just about self-defense, and then they own this product which is a total opposite.

No criticism here at all - I admit to be really conflicted on this one. :confused: :confused: :confused:

"Take this, you filthy animal!" rat-ta-tat-ta-tat-tat....!!!!!

[Bawanna]

I too longed for a Tommy Gun far back as I can remember. I couldn't believe it when I finally managed to nail one to call my own.

Nothing beats the cool factor of a Tommy. I'd love it even more if I could have the 10" barrel like the real McCoy but I like it none the less.

I rarely even shoot it but I'll tell ya what with the 50 round drum and you can get 100's if you got enough loot, it would be force to be reckoned with.

I'm really at a disadvantage being in a wheelchair as it's a heavy beast but get in a fixed position and you can shoot a long time.

AJBert, I'm gonna write your name down out on my bench. I want to get a few unaltered's and make sure they work before I part with the modified mags.
Right now if need be I could put the original mag release back in and use them. Once I get some more I'll fix you up.

[lowroad]

Didn't know you were chair bound..but wait...don't you ride bicycles?

[Bawanna]

Didn't know you were chair bound..but wait...don't you ride bicycles?

Not for about 17 years. I think your thinking of Justin and a couple others around here.

[lowroad]

Ah yes. well, this helps to partly explain your rapist wit :)

[vedearduff]

I have fantasized for decades (literally) about owning an actual"Tommy gun, but other than then cool factor is there any real reason for buying a non-class 3 semi-auto version?

I could really imagine having one of these sitting next to me right now, but still...

It's strange - Kahr is a brand that is really just about self-defense, and then they own this product which is a total opposite.

No criticism here at all - I admit to be really conflicted on this one. :confused: :confused: :confused:

"Take this, you filthy animal!" rat-ta-tat-ta-tat-tat....!!!!!
You may want to have a look here (http://www.zootshooters.com/), here (http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33), and here (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,108.0.html). A bit like Western Action Shooting, but set in the '20's through '40's and cops and robbers rather than cowboys.

Other than this, they are just plain fun. If you really want to unload one in a hurry, you may want to give "bumpfireing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22BXs_C3GdQ)" a try.

Vernon

[lowroad]

Aside from the utilitarian Kahr CM-9 I carry daily, and sleep next to on the night stand, I think they are all purchased based on "cool factor". Why should this be any different? :)

[JFootin]

You may want to have a look here (http://www.zootshooters.com/), here (http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33), and here (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,108.0.html). A bit like Western Action Shooting, but set in the '20's through '40's and cops and robbers rather than cowboys.

Other than this, they are just plain fun. If you really want to unload one in a hurry, you may want to give "bumpfireing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22BXs_C3GdQ)" a try.

Vernon

Daiyum!!! Was that bumpfiring done with an unmodified Thompson?

Bawanna, have you tried that?

[Bawanna]

Not yet but I intend to first chance I get.

[vedearduff]

Daiyum!!! Was that bumpfiring done with an unmodified Thompson?

Bawanna, have you tried that?
The guy who posted the video indicates that the Thompson is a stock 1927a1 pistol. Those pistols are made with an alloy frame and receiver, so they are a bit lighter (5.5 lbs I think) which should make bumpfireing easier.

I plan on trying it with my Thompson as soon as I can arrange to get to a location that allows such.

There are other videos on YouTube that show the rifle version being bumpfired, just search for "thompson bumpfire".

Vernon

[JFootin]

Thanks! :) Sound isn't working in my computer, so I couldn't hear what they said. :o

[DeaconKC]

Interesting fact on the mod'd mags. Several surplus ones I have click right into place without mods on my Tommy. The only one that wouldn't was one of the ones that came with it from the factory!

[DeaconKC]

Ah well, five minutes total work with a file and it works now too!

[Race Bannon]

If you go the non detachable route, Dan Block stocks are a nice upgrade to the give the Model 1927A1 the Model 1928 look. Dan did the Stocks for the movie "Public Enemies"

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj32/WilliamTheConqueror/zoot/thompson1927A1008.jpg

Here is his website http://www.naturalistnotebook.com/index.html