Advise me oh wise ones... gun for wifey

[Deano]

Today I set my wife up with an NRA instructor to teach her how to shoot, and show her a few different guns, just to see what her comfort level was, and what she could shoot well.

After learning some basics he had her shoot a sig mosquito .22. She felt pretty comfortable after awhile, shot 50 rounds, and hit the 6" center circle about half the time from 7 or 8 yards. By the end of the 50 rounds she felt pretty comfortable.

Next came a walther ppk .380 Her first two shots were bullseye, but she went on to spray a few and started jerking because the recoil was bugging her arm a little bit. He didn't bother bringing out the 9 or 40.

At the end of the session, he suggested that she get a .22 like the new Ruger sr22 or mosquito. Part of me thinks I should do that and just let her get really comfortable with it. Another part of me says get a nice .32 (not a mouser, but something with a decent length barrel) and she'll probably get used to that just as fast, and then have a larger caliber gun to have around the house. Then after awhile, if she wants something bigger, we can do that.

Another part of me thinks that the sr22 would be a blast to just take to the range and sling lead for an hour or two, just for practice.

Wise ones advise me. 22 or 32. In terms of self defense, I think probably neither one is adequate, but something is better than nothing, right?

[Gtfan]

My wife did not like the recoil of my ruger lcp or cm9.so she tried the taurus 941 22 magnum 8 shot with 2 inch barrel and likes it a lot better.I like the simplicity of a revolver because she is new to shooting.just another option to consider.

[Bawanna]

Between those choices I would say 22 for sure. Let her shoot regular. She'll get more comfy and be able to handle a 38 or a 9.

32 is expensive, not a great round and she'd be near as well off with a 22.

Give her time, don't push, just steady regular practice.

[SpecK]

Where's Tinman?

I think you said it best when you said "after awhile, if she wants something bigger, we can do that"

One has penetration, the other has expansion. The key, especially in smaller calibers is to shoot them effectively. With the price of .22 ammo, she will probably get bored or hungry before your $20 runs out :) and be able to shoot it very well in the process. I would also say to carry a hyper-velocity hollow point like a CCI Stinger or a Remington Yellow Jacket.

Plus how cool does that SR22 look? And its a Roog? Yup, thats my vote

[Deano]

Thanks for the input. The cheap ammo is a big plus. Never mind that I'm salivating over getting my grubby little hands on the sr22. I really like going to the range, but it gets expensive slinging 9mm all day.

Speck you are so right. That ruger just looks cool.

[Deano]

My wife did not like the recoil of my ruger lcp or cm9.so she tried the taurus 941 22 magnum 8 shot with 2 inch barrel and likes it a lot better.I like the simplicity of a revolver because she is new to shooting.just another option to consider.
I'll check that one out too. Thanks for the idea. I agree. I don't think the lcp is a fun gun to shoot, and I don't know anyone who does. It's downright painful.

[chrish]

I'll check that one out too. Thanks for the idea. I agree. I don't think the lcp is a fun gun to shoot, and I don't know anyone who does. It's downright painful.

Maybe let her try a S&W 340PD instead, that should be pretty tame :D

Have you considered a larger polymer 9mm, but w/ a decent ergonomic grip? Walther PPQ, Sig P2022, Ruger SR9 or the less ergo but tame Ruger P95. It would tame the recoil down quite a bit.

Kinda a more pricey route to go, I'd still have a .22 in the mix. You can't go wrong w/ that new Ruger SR22 mentioned above...but if you think it'll serve double-duty as a self defense gun, I'd go w/ the suggestion on the Taurus .22 magnum revolver and get the reliability and extra umph. I would not rely on any semi-auto .22 as a carry weapon. They are all goofy with feeding, etc. Just my opinion though.

[Deano]

Maybe let her try a S&W 340PD instead, that should be pretty tame :D

Have you considered a larger polymer 9mm, but w/ a decent ergonomic grip? Walther PPQ, Sig P2022, Ruger SR9 or the less ergo but tame Ruger P95. It would tame the recoil down quite a bit.

Kinda a more pricey route to go, I'd still have a .22 in the mix. You can't go wrong w/ that new Ruger SR22 mentioned above...but if you think it'll serve double-duty as a self defense gun, I'd go w/ the suggestion on the Taurus .22 magnum revolver and get the reliability and extra umph. I would not rely on any semi-auto .22 as a carry weapon. They are all goofy with feeding, etc. Just my opinion though.Thanks. Those are all good suggestions, and I'm going to take a look at them. Like I said earlier, I don't think 22 or 32 is adequate for SD, so we agree there. I think right now the goal is to get her shooting something she enjoys shooting, and can shoot well, so she'll want to practice. She doesn't have a carry license, and won't for quite awhile, if ever, so she's got time to practice with whatever we decide to get. Heck, I've got an old CZ 7.65 I might let her try out. Who knows, she might like that for now. My Glock 19 may be something she'll eventually like to shoot too. The recoil on that is not bad at all.

One thing is for sure. Way too many choices.

[tv_racin_fan]

I'd go with a 22 myself for a first handgun. Either the Sig or a Ruger perhaps the Browning Buckmark. I suggest a 22 because they are tons of fun to plink with and ammo is really inexpensive compared to anything else.

IF you think you may to carry a 22 I suggest a revolver like the Ruger Sp101 since as some people have pointed out a semi auto 22 can be a bit finicky (tho to be honest my son carries his Sig Mosquito loaded with the CCI Mini Mag round nose round, this seems to be the most reliable round for him, a single 22 round probably wont stop anyone but I am willing to bet ten rounds in a hurry will make em think and he carries two spare mags).

[downtownv]

I agree a sloooow intro to reach a comfort level. The a graduation to a 9mm; no interim calibers. My wife was bored w a .22; went straight to the nine but LOVES my sig 229 .40 cal.
It's more expensive to shoot, go figure!

[Tinman507]

My wife loves to shoot the SR22 and has said several times that she'd like that as her personal weapon. I keep pointing out the downside of that idea (small round, finicky ammo, etc.)

She hates my CM9 but LOVED the CW9. Same piece, longer grip and barrel. That's the one she wants. As soon as Uncle Sam is done messing with us this year she wants to buy one. I am afraid to let her shoot my K9 for fear I'll lose it. She liked shooting a Tangfolio Wittness .45. But that's a whole lotta gun to haul around.

Shoot a whole bunch of guns and let her pick it out. Otherwise it's your decison and not hers and it won't be carried. If all else fails, remember: Baby Steps. If the .22 is her comfort level at first, so be it. Just means you have to try and buy more guns. Win-Win, right?

[BEARDOG]

Deano,
I think you should definitely get a .22. I bought mine as my second handgun purchased (over 20 yrs ago) after buying my 92F to save some $ on ammo. You both will enjoy it and benefit from it in many ways. Get whichever one floats your/her boat.The new Ruger looks neat, I have a SS Ruger mark II target w/bull barrel. Heavy, but a tack driver.

Now for a self defense handgun. I would let her shoot your G19. I bet she can handle it just fine as far as recoil goes, and it is a great gun. If she can rack the slide,clear a jam and fully understand how a auto pistol works/operates then great. I would think that G19 would be perfect.
I would also recommend a CW9 if she wants a thinner grip auto.

If she can't or doesn't want to learn how to rack slides, clear jams, load mags, and fully understand how to operate an auto safely on her own with no help. then I would suggest you consider a revolver for her. They are much more straight forward to learn, to know if its loaded, easy to reload easy to fire, and it doesn't jam. A medium sized Smith or Ruger in 38/357 is what I would look at.

If you only want something for home defense. I would think about getting a shotgun set up for that purpose. Look at Mossberg or Remington. Thats MHO.

[Deano]

I really appreciate all the input from ye experienced ones. I think I've pretty much decided to get her a 22 and let her practice a bunch. Beardog, I've already got 4 shotguns, so I'm set up there. My brother has a ruger 38 pistol, so I think I'll have her shoot that one too before I buy one.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Bersa Thunder 22 pistol. Most people seem to rave over how good they feel and shoot. Ruger's sr22 seems to be a bit hard to find at the moment.

[Deano]

My wife loves to shoot the SR22 and has said several times that she'd like that as her personal weapon. I keep pointing out the downside of that idea (small round, finicky ammo, etc.)

She hates my CM9 but LOVED the CW9. Same piece, longer grip and barrel. That's the one she wants. As soon as Uncle Sam is done messing with us this year she wants to buy one. I am afraid to let her shoot my K9 for fear I'll lose it. She liked shooting a Tangfolio Wittness .45. But that's a whole lotta gun to haul around.

Shoot a whole bunch of guns and let her pick it out. Otherwise it's your decison and not hers and it won't be carried. If all else fails, remember: Baby Steps. If the .22 is her comfort level at first, so be it. Just means you have to try and buy more guns. Win-Win, right?
Win, win for sure

[flieger67]

Deano - is your wife looking for a CC pistol or will it be used primarily around the house? A house gun could be bigger which would likely be more comfortable for her to shoot and to shoot more accurately than a smaller pistol. Also, she might have had some issue shooting the larger gun with the instructor due to fatigue. If she's not used to shooting and went through 50 rounds of .22, she might have felt a little tired. Also, there can be a psychological impact due to shooting a larger, more powerful cartridge and that might have caused her to flinch. And there's also the possibility that the PPK simply didn't fit her well.

My wife went through a similar journey as your wife. We started out with a Beretta Neos (.22LR) and then she went on to get a S&W Bodyguard .380. Last year, she picked up a Glock 26. She couldn't handle a Glock when she got the S&W but she kept at it and has been able to shoot Glocks comfortably, even in .45 ACP.

[Deano]

Deano - is your wife looking for a CC pistol or will it be used primarily around the house? A house gun could be bigger which would likely be more comfortable for her to shoot and to shoot more accurately than a smaller pistol. Also, she might have had some issue shooting the larger gun with the instructor due to fatigue. If she's not used to shooting and went through 50 rounds of .22, she might have felt a little tired. Also, there can be a psychological impact due to shooting a larger, more powerful cartridge and that might have caused her to flinch. And there's also the possibility that the PPK simply didn't fit her well.

My wife went through a similar journey as your wife. We started out with a Beretta Neos (.22LR) and then she went on to get a S&W Bodyguard .380. Last year, she picked up a Glock 26. She couldn't handle a Glock when she got the S&W but she kept at it and has been able to shoot Glocks comfortably, even in .45 ACP.Good questions. I don't see her wanting to CC, at least now. Maybe when she gets more comfortable with handling firearms. Right now she's learning for home defense, and I agree with the larger frame gun idea. I can see where she might progress like your wife did to bigger and better things. Right now it's about shooting, gaining confidence and enjoying the range.

[Bawanna]

Good questions. I don't see her wanting to CC, at least now. Maybe when she gets more comfortable with handling firearms. Right now she's learning for home defense, and I agree with the larger frame gun idea. I can see where she might progress like your wife did to bigger and better things. Right now it's about shooting, gaining confidence and enjoying the range.

Exactly as it should be. Let her set the pace and decide whats right and best for her. Us guys usually try to apply what works for us which isn't always right.

[SpecK]

Good questions. I don't see her wanting to CC, at least now. Maybe when she gets more comfortable with handling firearms. Right now she's learning for home defense, and I agree with the larger frame gun idea. I can see where she might progress like your wife did to bigger and better things. Right now it's about shooting, gaining confidence and enjoying the range.

The third gen Smiths might be an option if its not going in her purse. All steel "super 9's" from those years dont have much recoil at all and I have had a few ladies really enjoy mine. But with that lessened recoil comes with a price, especailly fully loaded magazine. (heavy)

[Deano]

OK fellas, thanks for all your help. I'm going with the start small and go at her pace school of thought. I just found a ruger sr22 and bought it. Never had a 22. What's some good ammo for this gun? :confused:

[SpecK]

OK fellas, thanks for all your help. I'm going with the start small and go at her pace school of thought. I just found a ruger sr22 and bought it. Never had a 22. What's some good ammo for this gun? :confused:


Fine choice Deano, congrats.

Just like any gun, you need to find what works best in yours. Almost all CCI ammo will be very reliable but a tad more expensive (in terms of 22 ammo) my plinking ammo is and always will be the 555 round brick from wal mart, remington or winchester (whichever is in stock/cheaper). I save the CCI and Yellow Jackets for game loads. Just dont do the sub sonic stuff as its pretty pointless in a pistol. Its way better trying different ammo than larger calibers, a box of 50 .22 rounds is like $3

[BEARDOG]

OK fellas, thanks for all your help. I'm going with the start small and go at her pace school of thought. I just found a ruger sr22 and bought it. Never had a 22. What's some good ammo for this gun? :confused:

NICE!... A man of action :)
I looked a little online for one for you after I posted this AM, but did not find any, I had some chainsaw work to do, and now I come back and you already got one. Congrats!

[chuckt]

For what it's worth, for defense for my wife I figured the simpler the better. A 5 shot .38 Taurus model 85 works great for her. NO problem with recoil on standard ammo and I handload even a little lighter for practice. she also loves our Ruger Mk III. she has no problem running a couple hundred through it. A place for everything.

[Barth]

22 rimfire for Self Defense???

I didn't read the rest of the posts.
Cause I'm dyslexic and lazy - LOL.

Personally I wouldn't go below a 9mm or 38 special for self defense.
See if she favors autos or revolvers.
Start with full size, full weight, guns that just draw, aim and squeeze (KISS).
With a good two hand grip, proper stance and some range time she should be fine.
Try a variety of different guns and see what she favors.
Have fun with it and make it fun for her.
Start with the target as close as possible.

Spanking new shooters often do well starting with dry fire drills.
Just getting used to squeezing the trigger and keeping the sights on target
without any anticipation of recoil.

[Deano]

Thanks to all for taking time to help out. Lotsa good suggestions that we will continue to chew on as she progresses. Fortunately, my brother has a bunch of handguns totally different than the ones I have, so we have lots for her to try in the future. He has a ruger 38 3" revolver, a ruger 357Mag 4" revolver an LCP and a glock 26. I've got a S&W 32-20 revolver, a .32 semi-auto, the cm9 and a glock 19. First we'll get her shooting the little 22 with confidence, then branch out.

[chrish]

OK fellas, thanks for all your help. I'm going with the start small and go at her pace school of thought. I just found a ruger sr22 and bought it. Never had a 22. What's some good ammo for this gun? :confused:

Dude, you work FAST. Nice!

I have been putting that new Winchester M22 stuff thru my P22 and it is pretty clean ammo for .22lr. I actually really like it, goofy as the packaging is. Its some kind of black copper coating. Leaves very little residue for a .22

Of course, the CCI mini-mags and stingers are always good choices as well, just a bit more expensive. But what's a couple bucks here and there when you are talking .22lr. You can spend $50 and shoot for weeks.

[Deano]

22 rimfire for Self Defense???...

No, we agree here.

...Spanking new shooters often do well starting with dry fire drills.
Just getting used to squeezing the trigger and keeping the sights on target
without any anticipation of recoil.

Exactly what the instructor wants her to practice at home.

My responses bolded above

[Popeye]

Something to think about after 50 or so rounds her arms and hands might have been getting tired from the weight of the pistol. I would take her out again and let her shoot the larger rounds first and see how she does. I know myself if I stay to long at the range my accuracy starts to suffer and I'm just wasting ammo. That's when I usually go to one of the rifles I always bring along. I'm one of those who believe she should shoot whatever she shoots the best and is the most comfortable shooting reguardless of caliber. If it's a .22 then that's what she should shoot. I know it might not be the perfect round for SD but a .22 caliber round has put many people underground. Todays .22 rounds aren't the same as your daddy used to shoot.

[SpecK]

Something to think about after 50 or so rounds her arms and hands might have been getting tired from the weight of the pistol. I would take her out again and let her shoot the larger rounds first and see how she does. I know myself if I stay to long at the range my accuracy starts to suffer and I'm just wasting ammo. That's when I usually go to one of the rifles I always bring along. I'm one of those who believe she should shoot whatever she shoots the best and is the most comfortable shooting reguardless of caliber. If it's a .22 then that's what she should shoot. I know it might not be the perfect round for SD but a .22 caliber round has put many people underground. Todays .22 rounds aren't the same as your daddy used to shoot.


I think the statictics support that .22s have put MORE people underground than any other caliber; accidental or not. I did some research after my cousin was killed by his .22 rifle, its pretty crazy to see what a .22 can really do to someone/thing

[mr surveyor]

for a "house gun" and range gun combo for the wife, I'd try a Kel-Tec PMR30 in a heartbeat....if one was to be found. Thirty rounds of controllable .22 magnum would be much better than missing with one round from a S&W .38 spl Airweight and not being able to recover from the recoil. Although my wife is a very good shot, slow fire-aimed, she is very recoil sensitive.

[Deano]

for a "house gun" and range gun combo for the wife, I'd try a Kel-Tec PMR30 in a heartbeat....if one was to be found. Thirty rounds of controllable .22 magnum would be much better than missing with one round from a S&W .38 spl Airweight and not being able to recover from the recoil. Although my wife is a very good shot, slow fire-aimed, she is very recoil sensitive.

This doesn't sound good:
pmr-30-production-suspended/

[Tinman507]

OK fellas, thanks for all your help. I'm going with the start small and go at her pace school of thought. I just found a ruger sr22 and bought it. Never had a 22. What's some good ammo for this gun? :confused:

The cheap stuff at Wally World is good for the range. Winchester 555 Bulk pack works pretty well. You'll see a few misfires or weak rounds that won't cycle the slide. For good performance I suggest CCI Mini-mag. They go boom every time and cycle the slide well. But they're pricey.

It's a little tack driver if you do your part. Had mine out today and was drilling 2" groups at 10 yds.

Make sure you remove the allen head bolt that holds the barrel on and put lock-tite on it and tighten it down. Also make sure the take-down lever is firmly seated each time. Those are two of the early issues this gun had.

Other than that, it's a joy to shoot and clean. Have fun with it and good luck.

[Deano]

The cheap stuff at Wally World is good for the range. Winchester 555 Bulk pack works pretty well. You'll see a few misfires or weak rounds that won't cycle the slide. For good performance I suggest CCI Mini-mag. They go boom every time and cycle the slide well. But they're pricey.

It's a little tack driver if you do your part. Had mine out today and was drilling 2" groups at 10 yds.

Make sure you remove the allen head bolt that holds the barrel on and put lock-tite on it and tighten it down. Also make sure the take-down lever is firmly seated each time. Those are two of the early issues this gun had.

Other than that, it's a joy to shoot and clean. Have fun with it and good luck.Thank you Tinman. I appreciate the tips.

[jg rider]

Just picked the wife's brain. She's a shooter and has lots of her own toys. You said you didn't think your wife was thinking about a c.c., so I asked mine what she would do for a house gun. Her favorite house defense gun is her Glock 17 gen. 3, with night sights, and a light. It's user friendly, a full hand hold, comfortable, not too heavy. Less felt recoil than a 38 / 357 revolver. Easy slide racking. She doesn't like the Glock 19 because the shorter grip puts the back strap swell further up in her hand, pushing against the heel of her hand causing her to have to bend her wrist further down for a natural point. A revolver would be even worse, your wife would have to learn to bend the wrist to shoot, and there's the matter of learning double action trigger pull control. Then you can get an A.A. .22 conversion unit for the G17

For a beginner she wouldn't recommend any Khar pistol until she can rack the slide, and lock it back comfortably. And because of the long trigger pull and short sight radius

[Popeye]

Good luck with the SR22 I'd break it in using CCI mini mags. Not all 22 caliber pistols like the cheaper Bulk 22 ammo especially when new. My MKIII 22/45 RP seems to do ok shooting them but I broke it in using CCI mini's.

[les strat]

Defintiely carry CCI Stingers or something of the like for SD. A .22 is definitley better than nothing.

We had to graduate my wife from .22 (Beretta Bobcat), to a .380 (Bersa), to a Ruger LC9, which is her EDC. She liked my Ruger SR9c and P89 best, but they were a little large for her to carry around, but the recoil is nothing on those. A snubby 38sp like a 442/642 is another fine weapon many women carry.

Try to get her to 9mm or 38sp eventually.

[Deano]

Good luck with the SR22 I'd break it in using CCI mini mags. Not all 22 caliber pistols like the cheaper Bulk 22 ammo especially when new. My MKIII 22/45 RP seems to do ok shooting them but I broke it in using CCI mini's.I plan to get some, but I plan to buy some cheapo stuff too, so she becomes familiar with how to clear jams and other failures.


Just picked the wife's brain. She's a shooter and has lots of her own toys. You said you didn't think your wife was thinking about a c.c., so I asked mine what she would do for a house gun. Her favorite house defense gun is her Glock 17 gen. 3, with night sights, and a light. It's user friendly, a full hand hold, comfortable, not too heavy. Less felt recoil than a 38 / 357 revolver. Easy slide racking. She doesn't like the Glock 19 because the shorter grip puts the back strap swell further up in her hand, pushing against the heel of her hand causing her to have to bend her wrist further down for a natural point. A revolver would be even worse, your wife would have to learn to bend the wrist to shoot, and there's the matter of learning double action trigger pull control. Then you can get an A.A. .22 conversion unit for the G17

For a beginner she wouldn't recommend any Khar pistol until she can rack the slide, and lock it back comfortably. And because of the long trigger pull and short sight radius
Yep, the glock 19 grip is even a little too big for my hands. I've thought about having it reduced. Still easier to shoot than my cm9. Your wife's input is helpful. Thanks.


Defintiely carry CCI Stingers or something of the like for SD. A .22 is definitley better than nothing.

We had to graduate my wife from .22 (Beretta Bobcat), to a .380 (Bersa), to a Ruger LC9, which is her EDC. She liked my Ruger SR9c and P89 best, but they were a little large for her to carry around, but the recoil is nothing on those. A snubby 38sp like a 442/642 is another fine weapon many women carry.

Try to get her to 9mm or 38sp eventually.Thanks, I'm sure this will be a slow process, but if she does decide to carry, I'll gently nudge her in that direction.

[jeepster09]

:40:

I would say only get her one that she will need your help loading.......unless YOU ARE VERY SURE OF HER EVERY MOOD when you sleep....:o

[Deano]

:40:

I would say only get her one that she will need your help loading.......unless YOU ARE VERY SURE OF HER EVERY MOOD when you sleep....:o

Excellent idea. :eek:

[jg rider]

Yep, the glock 19 grip is even a little too big for my hands. I've thought about having it reduced. Still easier to shoot than my cm9. Your wife's input is helpful. Thanks.


Here's what the wife's reduced grip G17 looks like. Now it's such a natural wrist position point and shoot. You could close your eyes, push out and shoot and hit C.O.M. I wish Glock would do this

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Glock/JoGlock3.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Glock/AA13RoundMag001.jpg

[Deano]

Here's what the wife's reduced grip G17 looks like. Now it's such a natural wrist position point and shoot. You could close your eyes, push out and shoot and hit C.O.M. I wish Glock would do this

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Glock/JoGlock3.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/jgriders/Glock/AA13RoundMag001.jpgThat conversion kit is a great idea. I had no idea you could do that. What does one of those cost? I have no dealer within 100 miles of me, but I would for sure order one if they are reasonable.

[jg rider]

Are you west of the Cascades ? Sherwood, Tualatin, ? I can show you one. We've had this one a long time. Go to

http://www.advantagearms.com/

[paperpuncher]

This is her table gun. She's become pretty decent with it and has come a long way from being petrified of even looking at a gun.

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6f961a3-6ecb-b181.jpg



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[tv_racin_fan]

I would never suggest a 22lr for a self defence handgun BUT if that is what you have then I say carry it. I am one of those guys who believes the 22 you carry is far better than the 45 you leave on the night stand. Just the same I generally ask my son if he wants to carry something else...

[Deano]

Are you west of the Cascades ? Sherwood, Tualatin, ? I can show you one. We've had this one a long time. Go to

http://www.advantagearms.com/
I live in Salem. I did go to that web site, but no prices listed that I could find. Dealers listed not close by.

[Deano]

I would never suggest a 22lr for a self defence handgun BUT if that is what you have then I say carry it. I am one of those guys who believes the 22 you carry is far better than the 45 you leave on the night stand. Just the same I generally ask my son if he wants to carry something else...I agree. This one is for training on the range, hopefully leading to bigger and better things (and more guns) :53:

[jg rider]

I live in Salem. I did go to that web site, but no prices listed that I could find. Dealers listed not close by.

You won't find any stocking dealer around us. You should see how it works before buying. If you want, go north on I 5 to the Tualatin exit. Tri County Gun Club is about 10 miles west of there. Now with the weather getting warm I'll be spending more time there

[Deano]

You won't find any stocking dealer around us. You should see how it works before buying. If you want, go north on I 5 to the Tualatin exit. Tri County Gun Club is about 10 miles west of there. Now with the weather getting warm I'll be spending more time there
I'm up in Portland all the time (Winterhawks season ticket holder) and I'd meet up in a heartbeat to check that out. Maybe sometime it will work out that we can connect.

Got notice that the SR22 shipped today. Should have it in my hands next week.