I'm a damn good good shot but my k-9 is low 2"

[downtownv]

Need a recommendation on sight adjustments or a change of sights.
Any thoughts?:phone:

[Tinman507]

what sights are on it? Standard?

[lowroad]

Dawson will make whatever height you need I think.

[wyntrout]

You can experiment and change your point of aim. Use the top of the dot instead of the top of the post... aim at the center of the target or at 12 o'clock... whatever works to make POAim=POImpact. Try dry firing to see if you are moving the gun any number of ways... squeezing, jerking, or pushing the gun down a bit anticipating the recoil. It's a long trigger pull with plenty of time to do something wrong.

Wynn:)

[Tinman507]

I was wondering if it's an NYPD trigger which is even longer than the standard. Definitely more time to jerk the muzzle down anticipating the bang.

[CJB]

two inches at what distance.... it matters

[wyntrout]

That's for sure... 7 yards... 15... 25... whatever. The first time I shot my K9 back in 1998, I couldn't hit the letter-sized target at 7 yards with the first magazine. I asked one of the store/range employees to check it out. One shot... dead center. The long double action trigger needs getting used to. It was my first DAO auto.

I use the top of the post and the top of the rear sight for alignment. Some people use the dot over the post, but that's for quick, rough aiming.

I hadn't shot my P380 in a while and took it to the range a few weeks ago. I was shooting low with it, so I just covered the bull's eye and that's where the bullets went.

Wynn:)

[downtownv]

Ok sorry your all correct. STD Sights
7 yards Very used to the trigger as i have a cw9 (Wife) shot many rounds thru it. NYPD Trigger has no effect as I pull trigger to the "PoP" point then squeeeeeze, to fire. I may be jerk, buy when it comes to shooting I'm never "Jerky" The front sight alignment is just low 2"
I don't want to raise my aim, as I think it's a bad habit

[jocko]

wellur gonna have to change ur sights or change ur sight pattern. U could filedown the front sigtht a tad tobringit up, They are cold blueable. Probably ain't gonna take alot. Maybe let another good shooter shoot the gun to see what hs groups look like. MMC makes a nice adustable rear sight. I have one on my K9 andit works great..

[WMD]

Sorry to ask another question but, what site picture are you using? (e.g. 6 o'clock hold, POA, etc?)

[downtownv]

three dot alignment front-sight on bulls-eye.
Any replacements sight sets you recommend?

[jocko]

as much as I like my MMC sights, I cannot recommend this comany. not evensure they are stillinbusiness. they areouof of nevada and have a "F" rating by better busness. they do not repond to emails, or phone calls,, I have read where they do not have a liegitimate business license. They are frauds by most reports. how I got mine I can't remember but it has been someyears back to, so maybe back thenb they were better BUT I would advise not getting excited about MMC sight. Their sights were good the company sucked.

[downtownv]

I align my rear to front sights on Bullseye.
Any preferred recommended brand sights sets?

[jocko]

Look at dawson sights. I think they make great stuff..

[downtownv]

Jocko
I don't see that they have Kahr sets

[CJB]

Lets see... 7 yards is 252 inches. Five inch sight radius... quick in the head... about 1:50 ratio. 1/50th of 2 inches... roughly 40 thousandths.

You're sights are off by .040 or so.... says you.

Thats a HUGE amount.

I say your trigger finger is off by that amount. Bring it over to my garage, I've got just the right brass punch and hammer to correct your squeeze. ;)

[jocko]

Jocko
I don't see that they have Kahr sets

andtold them I had a K9 and what kind of sights do theyt offer. can't remember what the order numbers were either, but they weree quick to reply. state ur preferences etc, so what they say

[chipD]

Lets see... 7 yards is 252 inches. Five inch sight radius... quick in the head... about 1:50 ratio. 1/50th of 2 inches... roughly 40 thousandths.

You're sights are off by .040 or so.... says you.

Thats a HUGE amount.

I say your trigger finger is off by that amount. Bring it over to my garage, I've got just the right brass punch and hammer to correct your squeeze. ;)

I could have used that brass punch yesterday. I guess You'll have those days. :)

[downtownv]

I looked at reviews of the Williams foresights and was surprised to see that this was discussed by some of you ole dogs a few years ago, WMD Jocko and Bawanna to name a few
So if I decide to upgrade from the std issue... Do you contrast the rear color from the front or not usually? IE Green rear red front.....

[downtownv]

CJB that works well on cheatin' husbands, too! just not the fingers lmoa....

[jocko]

u will love um, I have um on my G19, Dawsonfiber optics red front and red back. Probably shooters choice.

I hve debatedabout sending my K9 to Dawson and doing the same thing. I have xs big dots on my PM9 and basically now the glow is about gone for any real night use. Love the big dots though but I do like the fiber optics. If there is any reallight left, they will pick it up..

[Tilos]

downtownv:
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but...
A heavier bullet will raise the point of impact;)

I skimmed thru and didn't see where you mentioned what bullet weight you have been shooting.
If you have been shooting 147...never mind:o.

[downtownv]

Range rounds 115 gr
I'l check w/ my armorer if sights are off, can be adjusted or simple upgrade.

[Tilos]

From what little I know, I'm thinking these iddy biddy 9s are made to shoot 124s to point of aim.
pretty easy to find out...try some:o.
just sayin'

[jocko]

I do know that kahr checks out there guns with 124 grain: Just sayin.

[downtownv]

Maybe
wifey's cw9 dead on with the same rounds.... go figure.

[Tilos]

k9 heavier than cw9:biggrin1:

[CJB]

Range rounds 115 gr
I'l check w/ my armorer if sights are off, can be adjusted or simple upgrade.

After all this, you gotta check with your armorer? What if his hold makes it shoot high?

Kahrs take a lot of getting used to - I'll grant them that character flaw. Once you do, you've got that muscle memory... and you're good to go.

The cure for shooting low, with fixed sights is to file down the front (.040!!!! crap!!!), or use a taller rear sight.

There are reasons one gun would shoot a little higher or lower... barrel lockup and such. To be off by .040" is not happening in barrel lockup. Its not happening in any variation of manufacture.

My suggestion - forget the armorer, spend money on ammo... shoot. Practice dry firing at a real target and learn to call the shot. Learn to have the shot go off as if it were unexpected - as to not disturb your sight picture. Practice!

[Tilos]

CJB:

WoW, OK then....Why have adjustable sights on any handgun?
I'm thinking with a defense gun, all this may be a mute point.

If I can shoot a thumb size group, 2" low consistently, I'll adjust the load, the sights, both or try different purchased ammo.
I would only believe it was ME (my method) if the point of impact was also left or right and/or not a group.
I don't need a chart, developed for one handed target shooting, to analyze any variation in my point of impact, as it does not apply here.
If I can shoot a consistant group, moving that group to point of aim is what I would persue, but that's just me:o.

[downtownv]

Good point, well grouped just 2" off they're still good defensive placement.

[WMD]

Good point, well grouped just 2" off they're still good defensive placement.

Your gun should be hitting the bullseye at 7 to 10 yards with no difficulty. I would not put on new sights. If it is shooting low, I would give Kahr a call. They can fix you right up! :D

[Shadow Catcher]

Good point, well grouped just 2" off they're still good defensive placement.
I'm in complete agreement with that statement.

The human heart is about 4" or so in size, so if you're worried about which part of the heart your hitting I'd say you're over thinking the problem.

If it matters that the POA = POI that much, send it to Kahr and let them know which ammo you're using, and see what they can do.

My K9, using CorBon DPX 115 hits POA reliably at ten yds, with a sub 2" group. If I'm in the middle of a "god damn it he's trying to kill me" situation - I'm
not too sure what group size I'll get, or whether they'll be 2" high or low, but I damn well know they'll all be within one minute of bad guy!

I hope we all never need to find out!

Shadow Catcher

[downtownv]

That makes two of us. Just frustrated that under a very calm and control fire that i'm off..... Perfect Practice makes Perfect

[Tilos]

Your gun should be hitting the bullseye at 7 to 10 yards with no difficulty. I would not put on new sights. If it is shooting low, I would give Kahr a call. They can fix you right up! :D

OK, what is a bullseye to you?, 6" diameter black circle, 1" diameter, if it's the 6"... he's hitting the bullseye.
just sayin'