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About to make my semi annual move soon and could use some Kahrtalk wisdom on interstate transport, to wit:
Not talking about policy here, but if you CC in any of the following states could you please sound off if you know:
Does a routine traffic stop require showing CC permit and declaring weapon in the car ( don't care if CC or locked and boxed) in the following.
Georgia
South Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
New York
As you can see I'm going from South to North following
I-95/I-75/I-81. Some states I have a valid permit, some I'll
have the weapons locked and unloaded, but I want to know if I'm stopped, do I need to declare possession or just shut the hell up....
Markis82
04-10-2012, 04:01 PM
About to make my semi annual move soon and could use some Kahrtalk wisdom on interstate transport, to wit:
Not talking about policy here, but if you CC in any of the following states could you please sound off if you know:
Does a routine traffic stop require showing CC permit and declaring weapon in the car ( don't care if CC or locked and boxed) in the following.
Georgia
South Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
New York
As you can see I'm going from South to North following
I-95/I-75/I-81. Some states I have a valid permit, some I'll
have the weapons locked and unloaded, but I want to know if I'm stopped, do I need to declare possession or just shut the hell up....Here is a website that should be able to answer all of your questions http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php. Just put in where you're leaving from and where you're going to and it will give you all the info you need for your drive.
Micha2u
04-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Here is a website that should be able to answer all of your questions http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php. Just put in where you're leaving from and where you're going to and it will give you all the info you need for your drive.
Thanks for the link to this sight! Really helpful info.!!!
getsome
04-10-2012, 05:00 PM
I'm in Georgia and a traffic stop doesn't require you to show your CCW permit or advise the Officer your are armed but if he/she asks you to step out of your vehicle it's a real good idea to produce your CCW permit and tell them before you take your hands off the steering wheel...
Be careful on I-75 as it is watched very close by Ga. State Patrol and local Police due to the heavy illegal drug traffic in both directions...Have a good safe trip...
SpecK
04-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Hdoc, I think it depends on a few different things. Where is your firearm? I carry at 4 oclock (right above my wallet pocket) so I wouldnt want him finding out I reached for my wallet to give him my liscense and there was a gun back there. He could make it a bad day for me. If its away from your liscense and insurance card, why say anything? IME, they are gonna ask if you have any drugs or firearms in the car anyway. A couple I've been pulled over by have thanked me for just telling them up front, and theyve made it a simple and painless process-- and by painless I mean a few have let my speeding slide with a warning for being honest to them upfront (its like a motorcycle actually pulling over) -- But as long as youre obeying all traffic laws, what do you have to worry about in the first place? just sayin...
Markis-- thanks for the link!
Here is a website that should be able to answer all of your questions http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php. Just put in where you're leaving from and where you're going to and it will give you all the info you need for your drive.
Great app, thanks. But what the heck does this mean?
"Maryland IS an Open Carry State. Fully preempted open carry permitted on foot and in vehicles with a license; localities fully preempted. "
Markis82
04-10-2012, 05:56 PM
Great app, thanks. But what the heck does this mean?
"Maryland IS an Open Carry State. Fully preempted open carry permitted on foot and in vehicles with a license; localities fully preempted. "
Preemption
In the context of open carry: the act of a state legislature passing laws which limit or eliminate the ability of local governments to regulate the possession or carrying of firearms.
GROTMAN
04-10-2012, 06:32 PM
In North Carolina if you have a permit ..you are required to notify an officer if you have weapon in the car.
chrish
04-10-2012, 06:59 PM
In VA you are not required to notify. Obviously, depending on the circumstances, you may choose to notify (obtaining dl or registration, or being asked to step out of the car, might expose your firearm). I am not a VA lawyer or VA leo, take my info with a grain of salt.
tilefish
04-10-2012, 09:21 PM
You might want to rethink driving through NY with a pistol. Depending on what part of NY, they have the most draconian firearms laws in the country. In fact there are several cases in the media right now involving people who mistaken brought firearms into the state.
Markis82
04-10-2012, 10:04 PM
You might want to rethink driving through NY with a pistol. Depending on what part of NY, they have the most draconian firearms laws in the country. In fact there are several cases in the media right now involving people who mistaken brought firearms into the state.Federal Interstate Travel
Federal law does not require a permit to travel across state lines on the interstate highway system with legally acquired firearms for lawful purposes. A person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where it is lawfully possessed to any other place where it is lawfully possessed if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, unloaded firearms should be locked in a container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition must also be locked and stored in the trunk or in a locked container somewhere other than the glove compartment or console. FOPA also provides for necessary stops, like gas and rest.
Personally, I'd find this law and print out a copy and have it with you for any state that does not honor your CCW permit.
mr surveyor
04-10-2012, 11:42 PM
I'd also be careful about carrying those deadly cop killer hollow point bullets. Not sure which state, or states, but somewhere up there in the NE the standard SD rounds with jhp projectiles will get you in a lot of hot water.
I don't get out of Texas much myself. For that matter, I don't even care to get out of the county.
What I'm most concerned about is being stopped and knowing if I should declare weapons in the trunk and show my CC permit or just shut the hell up.
Some states require an automatic declaration, some states it's upon request only.
Markis82
04-11-2012, 08:24 AM
What I'm most concerned about is being stopped and knowing if I should declare weapons in the trunk and show my CC permit or just shut the hell up.
Some states require an automatic declaration, some states it's upon request only.I'd error on the side of caution. If you're stopped, tell the officer that you have a permit and you have a weapon lock-up inside the trunk or however you plan to have it. In states your permit is not honored make sure your gun is unloaded and locked up separately from your ammo. But as one person mentioned already, stay within the speed limit and you'll have no worries.
In Florida we do not have to say if you have a CCW and whether you're carrying or not. However, I always do. Every time this has happen to me, the officer did not write me a ticket and it has turned into a friendly discussion about firearms. Once the officer asked me what gun I was carrying. At that time it was an LCP, when they first came out. He was amazed at the small size and light weight. He let me off with a verbal warning.
DLButler
04-11-2012, 10:40 AM
You might to want to read Emily Millers recent posts at the Washington Times for up to date info for the maryland and DC area.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/
Barth
04-11-2012, 11:40 AM
I'd error on the side of caution. If you're stopped, tell the officer that you have a permit and you have a weapon lock-up inside the trunk or however you plan to have it. In states your permit is not honored make sure your gun is unloaded and locked up separately from your ammo. But as one person mentioned already, stay within the speed limit and you'll have no worries.
In Florida we do not have to say if you have a CCW and whether you're carrying or not. However, I always do. Every time this has happen to me, the officer did not write me a ticket and it has turned into a friendly discussion about firearms. Once the officer asked me what gun I was carrying. At that time it was an LCP, when they first came out. He was amazed at the small size and light weight. He let me off with a verbal warning.
I live in Florida too and I agree.
It's not required. But a nice courtesy.
Plus having a permit means you have been fingerprinted.
And have no meaningful criminal record.
Or history of drugs, alcohol or violence.
It means you're a good guy.
I'd error on the side of caution. If you're stopped, tell the officer that you have a permit and you have a weapon lock-up inside the trunk or however you plan to have it. .
That's absolutely what I will not do. I have a car packed to the gills with
the guns locked at the bottom of a full trunk. I'm NOT going to invite a curious officer to take a look see when it will take 30 minutes to unpack and pack unless I legally have to. If it's not mandated, he/she has no legal justification to ask, that's why I asked the original question.
Guns get unloaded and locked going through Maryland and New York, so far.
All other states I can carry with permits from FL and CT. If I'm CC, I'll
inform. I'm not saying anything in the socialist repubiks of NY or MD.
As far as staying within the speed limits, you obviously haven't seen areas that get a chunk of their municipal budgets from false forfeitures, hidden speed zones or questionable traffic stops. Similar to "driving while black"; driving with an out of state plate is sometimes just an excuse for a
stop. Having a NY plate while living in North Carolina years ago had the local police chief ( my next door neighbor) question my sanity. It's a lesson
I learned well. "Don't go looking for trouble, son"
tilefish
04-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Federal Interstate Travel
Federal law does not require a permit to travel across state lines on the interstate highway system with legally acquired firearms for lawful purposes. A person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where it is lawfully possessed to any other place where it is lawfully possessed if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, unloaded firearms should be locked in a container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition must also be locked and stored in the trunk or in a locked container somewhere other than the glove compartment or console. FOPA also provides for necessary stops, like gas and rest.
Personally, I'd find this law and print out a copy and have it with you for any state that does not honor your CCW permit.
I hear ya, I know what you are talking about and I agree. However some of those states, NY and NJ in particular, do not play by the rules. There have been many, many people arrested, tried and convicted. Its a different world up there. There is no amount of money you could pay me to travel to NY or NJ with a handgun. Seriously. I will provide you with some cases if you think I am exaggerating.
Markis82
04-11-2012, 08:27 PM
I hear ya, I know what you are talking about and I agree. However some of those states, NY and NJ in particular, do not play by the rules. There have been many, many people arrested, tried and convicted. Its a different world up there. There is no amount of money you could pay me to travel to NY or NJ with a handgun. Seriously. I will provide you with some cases if you think I am exaggerating.I lived in NJ for 37 years. It is no problem driving in NJ with a firearm. As long as it is properly stowed and the ammo is locked separately. However, I wouldn't be caught with hi cap mags! NY I understand is a different story.
tilefish
04-12-2012, 08:37 PM
I lived in NJ for 37 years. It is no problem driving in NJ with a firearm. As long as it is properly stowed and the ammo is locked separately. However, I wouldn't be caught with hi cap mags! NY I understand is a different story.
Brian Aitken had a different experience... I have heard of many similar cases too. My intention is not to argue with you, so don't take it that way. I have just heard of too many people getting screwed up there. Granted many of those folks were ignorant of the law, but still... It is a different world in the Peoples Republic of NY and NJ. I simply urge people to use extreme caution heading north of VA. Once they get into upstate NY, VT and NH, they are in relatively sane country again.
I spent most of my life in NY. It sucks there, at least on Long Island anyway.
I lived in NJ for 37 years. It is no problem driving in NJ with a firearm. As long as it is properly stowed and the ammo is locked separately. However, I wouldn't be caught with hi cap mags!.
So let me see, after the Delaware Memorial Bridge, I stop on the side of the road and toss my double stack mags into the sea?
If Beelzebub said he'd push for uniform national gun carry standards, I'd
be tempted to vote for him......
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