PM vs CM List of Differences

[itsthelaw]

What are the differences in these guns aside from price?

[PYROhafe]

There's several posts around discussing this, search for em.

EDIT: Sorry, i was on a cell phone earlier when i posted that, so i was trying to be short n sweet, but after i read it again now, it came across kind of short. Didnt mean it that way at all, but there are lots of post concerning the differences in the two, and lots of comments from people who have one or the other, or both (lucky f*****s)

Found this pic that gives the differences pretty simply for ya, to make up for sounding rude :D
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/pyrohafe/cm-chart.jpg

[Russ]

What are the differences in these guns aside from price?

PM9 has a polygonal rifling barrel the CM9 has a conventional rifling barrel. This is suppose to make the PM9 more accurate. The PM9 has a dove tail front sight and a little nicer etching on the PM9 slide.

I probably would still have my Kahr had it been a PM9 rather than the CM9. The front night pin sight on the CM9 kept breaking off.

Russ

[kerby9mm]

I could be wrong but I thought the idea behind the polygonal rifling was more velocity from the 3inch barrel.

[bapple]

The real thing that would realistically set the CM and PM apart for me would be the smooth lines of the PM9, but that isn't worth an extra 250 bucks for me.

They perform pretty much the same since the external dimensions are the same. For me, since it's just a CC handgun, the CM9 was the perfect option for me. It has been flawless since day 1 and I absolutely trust my life on it. I'm sure many people would say the same about their PM9s, so the choice is up to you really.

[gm412]

The big difference for me was the PM9 is California legal. Tried to get a cm9 but not available here in California.

[muggsy]

PM9 has a polygonal rifling barrel the CM9 has a conventional rifling barrel. This is suppose to make the PM9 more accurate. The PM9 has a dove tail front sight and a little nicer etching on the PM9 slide.

I probably would still have my Kahr had it been a PM9 rather than the CM9. The front night pin sight on the CM9 kept breaking off.

Russ

The poly rifled barrels aren't any more accurate that the std rifled barrels, but the poly barrels give you a bit more velocity and are somewhat easier to clean. If you shoot lead go for the std. rifling.

[jocko]

IMO two exact PM9's out of the box will chrono differently even though both barrels are polygonal. We have seen cw tests on this forum that chrono'ed more than the Polygonal barrels, so althughg it is supposed to be a more premium barrel, I really can't prove it from my end. other than reading posts on this forum and others.. I would not plop fown muych extra in bucks to have the polygonal barrel: Just sayin. guaratnee u both barrels will shoot better than the guy behind the gun can ever do Woth todays more modern and cleaner buring ammo and copper bullets more common than ever, I see no differenc ein the cleaning of either barrels.

[Mike_B]

I thought it wasn't possible to swap barrels between the 2 because the internals are different. Does anyone know if that is true? If so, how are they different?

[jocko]

what kahrs are u talking about ?/ U can swap barrels between a cm9 and a PM9, u can put in a cw9 barrel in a PM or cm9 kahr but not vice versa

[MLESa7990]

u can put in a cw9 barrel in a PM or cm9 kahr but not vice versa

No, you cant swap a CW barrel into a PM or CM.

[jocko]

can u tell me why not?/

[MLESa7990]

Well that's from Kahr, but I have also read on other forums that people have tried and it will not work.

Can't speak from experience though.

[jocko]

neither can I, the cm barrel is 3.5" the cm barrel is 3.1. but the barrel lug is the same length and what ever sticks out the front of the barrel in the kahrs to me knowledte has no bearing on the workings of the gun. Kahrs ported barrels stick out beyond the slide front. One can ask kahr if the cm and pm barrles will interchange and they willsay no BUT THEY CERTAINLYT DO. there is even a video showing that.

Not wanting to create an argument either as it means nadda to me but I would "bet" that a cw9 barrel will work in a cm or pm9 kahr but not vice versa due to the cm and pm9 barrel being much shorter than the cw slide. again asking kahr willget u a no every time. Internally all kahrs are the same. I am referring to polymer kahrs and not steel kahrs...

[PYROhafe]

Hmmm.... gotta find that out.... a cw barrel with a port, dropped into a cm would be sweet!

[jocko]

kahr shows a P9 barrel ported fitting a cw9 and vice versa. The original barrel on both uns is 3.5", the ported extended barrel is 4" and so it sticks out a half inch in the cw series. I don't think kahr makes an extended barrel ported for a cm9 or PM9 but it sure would be interested to see if the 4" P9 barrel would fit in a cm9. I am sure if u ask it willbe a no , one just has to be around both guns to test for himself

[HDoc]

PM9 has a polygonal rifling barrel the CM9 has a conventional rifling barrel. This is suppose to make the PM9 more accurate.
Russ
It's my understanding that the polygonal rifling also creates a higher exit
bullet velocity. Don't remember where I read that, maybe the Glock website?
But it was recent. Anyone else see that somewhere?

[steveschu]

The pinned in polymer front sight sold me on the PM9.

[jocko]

The pinned in polymer front sight sold me on the PM9.

PM9 have dovetailed sights.

[itsthelaw]

There's several posts around discussing this, search for em.

EDIT: Sorry, i was on a cell phone earlier when i posted that, so i was trying to be short n sweet, but after i read it again now, it came across kind of short. Didnt mean it that way at all, but there are lots of post concerning the differences in the two, and lots of comments from people who have one or the other, or both (lucky f*****s)

Found this pic that gives the differences pretty simply for ya, to make up for sounding rude :D
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/pyrohafe/cm-chart.jpg

Perfect! Thank you.

[steveschu]

PM9 have dovetailed sights.


I know....that's why I chose it over the CM9.

[LorenzoB]

The pinned in polymer front sight sold me on the PM9.

The polymer or the dovetail or both? You can change the pinned in polymer front sight to a trijicon (metal) one. I'm thinking of doing that myself because my plastic one has a big dent in the side of it.

[LorenzoB]

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CWCM-Front-Trijicon-Night-Sight.asp
$30

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CWCM-Trijicon-Front-Sight-KitKWTFNSKT.asp
$49.99

What is the difference? Are they charging 20 bucks for loctite!?

[Safe2fire]

The top link is for 3 year old night sights. The bottom link is for 2012 production sights. Since night sights dim over time, the new ones may be slightly brighter.

[Russ]

If you are on the fence between the CM9 and PM9 consider what is happening in the poly pocket market and I am not talking dolls.

Beretta Nano.low $400 range
Ruger LC9 high $300 range
M&P Shield low $400 range

Kahr PM9 high $500 low $600 range

Do you see a problem with this picture?

Russ

[HDoc]

If you are on the fence between the CM9 and PM9 consider what is happening in the poly pocket market and I am not talking dolls.

Beretta Nano.low $400 range
Ruger LC9 high $300 range
M&P Shield low $400 range

Kahr PM9 high $500 low $600 range

Do you see a problem with this picture?

Russ

Not sure what you are saying. 1911's cost from $400 to $4000, yet folks still buy $4000 1911s. You get what you pay for. Otherwise we would all be driving Yugo's.

[kerby9mm]

Pm's are over $700 at the range/store I frequent.

[itsthelaw]

Love my $259 Yugo...I mean PF-9!

[LorenzoB]

The top link is for 3 year old night sights. The bottom link is for 2012 production sights. Since night sights dim over time, the new ones may be slightly brighter.

Thanks!

[jocko]

I know....that's why I chose it over the CM9.

have pinned front sights. I would have no issues with pinned front sights, actually the front portion of the slide with pinned sights looks very neat. At this time not alot in nights sights are avaialalbe for kahrs with pinned sights but THEY ARE ACUMMIN.

[muggsy]

The pinned in polymer front sight sold me on the PM9.

You can get a steel front sight for the CM9 for $40 and put the other $160 into a holster, spare mag and ammo.

[Russ]

Not sure what you are saying. 1911's cost from $400 to $4000, yet folks still buy $4000 1911s. You get what you pay for. Otherwise we would all be driving Yugo's.

HDoc:

Respectable gun manufactures like Beretta, Ruger and S&W are getting into the poly pocket gun market and the trend is upper $300 lower $400 range.

The PM9 is not a Yugo but the above mentioned brands are not either which puts the Kahr PM9 priced $200 more in tough spot when it comes to resale.

The Kahr PM9 reminds me of the most expensive home in the neighborhood. When it is time to sale the list price will be determined by comparables in the neighborhood and asking 30% more will be a tough sale, home or gun.

Something to consider if someone is sitting on the fence between a CM9 and PM9.

Russ

[jocko]

guns are normally not something that u buy every week. so if it takes $200 more to please u, THEN BUY IT. If u after totally bargain gun,s maybekahrs are not for one to be looking at. the new cm series is a very competitive gun, most in its price class are not stainless, some not striker fired. none certainly in the size and weight. Some of the options the PM9 offers cannot be orderedon the cm series, so the PM9 and cm98 are very affordable guns IMO..

[HDoc]

HDoc:

The PM9 is not a Yugo but the above mentioned brands are not either which puts the Kahr PM9 priced $200 more in tough spot when it comes to resale.

The Kahr PM9 reminds me of the most expensive home in the neighborhood. When it is time to sale the list price will be determined by comparables in the neighborhood and asking 30% more will be a tough sale, home or gun.

Something to consider if someone is sitting on the fence between a CM9 and PM9.

Russ

OK, got it. Thankfully I have enough cash at the end of the month to buy
what I like without worrying about reselling or trading it later, but I see your point.

[harrydog]

guns are normally not something that u buy every week. so if it takes $200 more to please u, THEN BUY IT. If u after totally bargain gun,s maybekahrs are not for one to be looking at. the new cm series is a very competitive gun, most in its price class are not stainless, some not striker fired. none certainly in the size and weight. Some of the options the PM9 offers cannot be orderedon the cm series, so the PM9 and cm98 are very affordable guns IMO..
I agree with this 100%. Both are quality and will serve you well, probably for a lifetime. If you like the features on the PM9 then you should buy it because you may end up regretting it eventually. On the other hand if those features aren't important to you then no sense in spending extra for the PM9. Either way you'll have a gun that is worth the money in my opinion.

[SF_giant84]

guns are normally not something that u buy every week. so if it takes $200 more to please u, THEN BUY IT. If u after totally bargain gun,s maybekahrs are not for one to be looking at. the new cm series is a very competitive gun, most in its price class are not stainless, some not striker fired. none certainly in the size and weight. Some of the options the PM9 offers cannot be orderedon the cm series, so the PM9 and cm98 are very affordable guns IMO..

I agree as well. I'm just purchasing my first firearm but have gone to the range plenty of times with friends/family. In my case as a first time owner I wanted to purchase what I knew I would be happy with for the long haul. So I went with the black diamond coated PM9 with NS and can't wait for it to arrive!