Facial injuries from ejected shells

[Krusty]

Anyone?:40:

[TucsonMTB]

No. Not from any of the Kahr pistols I have fired. Don't ask me about one of my 1911's a few years ago (since corrected, by the way). :rolleyes:

[MW surveyor]

No but my back hurts from having to bend over to pick up the empties.

[Recycooler]

Have had one wedge between my glasses and eyebrow, and one go down my back and burn me .. well on the butt.

[Barth]

Anyone?:40:

Kahr MK40, Sig Sauer P220/P239 or Glock G27? Never.

Over on GlockTalk the Gen 4 and late Gen 3 9mm guns are notorious
for throwing hot brass in the shooters face.
There's a running joke Glock needs to produce a brass catching Sombrero - LOL!
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[muggsy]

No but my back hurts from having to bend over to pick up the empties.

http://www.grabsomebrass.com/ :)

[muggsy]

An ejected shell casing did't bother me half as much as a rebounding 230 gr. bullet to the forehead did. Now you know how I got this way. :)

[WMD]

I was shooting my AR15 at a range awhile back and had a spent case bounce off the wall and land between my glasses and eyebrow. It made a severe burn. Yikes! Those cases are hot as they exit the gun. :eek:

[Longitude Zero]

Never a Kahr, but Glock and several 1911's have stung me.

[johnh]

Done the down the shirt and into the pants dance... :)

Not a Kahr though. I am thinking it was a 1911...

[JFootin]

The Kahr PM45 is the one model that seems to get a lot of reports of brass hitting the shooter's head. I know I have seen many posts here describing this 'feature' of the PM45. :7:

[kb2wji]

I caught a .223 hot off the press in my polo shirt collar a couple weeks ago. I think my girlfriend is just now finally starting to believe that the burn was not a hickey.

[jlottmc]

Ahh the hot brass dance. There have been many times that I have seen or done it myself. I had my Commander give me a love tap between the running lights, with alarming regularity, before I tuned that little problem out. Worst times come from other peoples ejected brass that finds its way into the tucked shirt and down. I did have a piece of brass from an M16 actually stick to my neck once, had to swat that one.

[DeaconKC]

My duty Glock 23 has been nicknamed "the catapult" due to the enthusiasm of it's ejector by other shooters! Hot brass flying is why i wear my fedora when shooting on the line.

[Popeye]

Been hit by hot brass coming from M1 Garands more times then I can count from the guys standing to my left doing Military Funerals. Never from any of my own guns or rifles though. Not even from the Gen 3 Glock. Will say this though. No rifle or pistol I've ever shot has ever thrown brass nearly as far as the Mini 14 has. Warning When I'm shooting or if anyone is shooting a Mini14 the last thing you want to is sit down to there right. Trust me on this. Be anywhere, but don't be there, unless you enjoy hot brass bouncing off your body parts. This has been a Popeye public service announcement.:D

[SpecK]

I have a New England breaking barrel 12 gauge. Woodpecker gun. Love to watch people shoot it the first time cuz when they pop open that barrel they are looking down at it and it FLINGS the shell out of there and gets them right between the eyes everytime. Its great....but that mixed with the recoil of it and they dont wanna shoot it anymore

No real pistol burners tho. Might catch a .22 catridge down the sleeve once and again but they arent bad

[Tinman507]

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[TheTman]

One of my other pistols beaned me in the forehead so bad it drew blood. I think it was the Boberg.

[getsome]

My PM40 hurls shells back about 15 feet and often bounces them off the back wall of the range before hitting the floor...It doesnt hit the shooter but I learned the hard way not to stand behind my son while he is shooting...On a recent trip I caught one right between the eyes right above the safety glasses and it left a red mark visible for several days....

[Barth]

My G27, with a 40-9mm barrel and +P+ Winchester Rangers,
ejects like somebody entered a ballistic launch code.
The shell casings ricochet of the walls and come back and hit me.
They have cooled off and slowed down by then.

In 357 Sig the cases appear to reach escape velocity.
As they disappear and I can't find them to sweep up - LOL.

[HDoc]

Another reason for revolver love.....

[jeepster09]

Hot brass can sting and burn you....


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[O'Dell]

Never had one hit me in the face, [but then I've never owned a Glock] but they do end up in odd places, especially after bouncing off a partition. I've had the usual inside the jacket, hat brims, shirt pockets, and jacket hoods, but the weirdest one I can't explain. I was wearing regular pants with slash front pockets and an untucked tee that covered the pockets. When I got home, I had two 45 cases in my right front pocket.

[CJB]

When my DLC PM45 was new, first couple of boxes... it would send the occasional empty back toward me. As things loosened up, that completely stopped. My guess is the spring got weaker, and empties flew clear better.

Remember - the spring is not made to perform as they want it to, instead the spring is made to turn into the spring they want it to. Fact of life on small guns with very little over-run in the action.

[jocko]

Hellmy tuned and supe45r accurate glock 19 does that "occassionally". I live with it as moe than likely it could be my gri9p changed or head position changed. Kinda hard to fix what doesn't hapen every tme. Could alsop copuld be ammo related to. Lot of variables that just might not be gun related.

[melissa5]

I've gotten hot brass behind my glasses once. It made a little burn under the corner of my eye. Now I wear a hat 99% of the time when shooting.

[Tinman507]

I've gotten hot brass behind my glasses once. It made a little burn under the corner of my eye. Now I wear a hat 99% of the time when shooting.

+1 on the hat always. Baseball caps divert a lot of brass

[GROTMAN]

Also had one land between my eyebrow and glasses..left a little burn mark..next day at work I explained to a couple people what happened but by the end of the day word was going around that I shot myself :eek:

[kramm]

Got hit on the forehead a few times during break-in, even got one down the shirt. Hasn't happened for along time though.

[Cokeman]

vAEGkf-Unnk

I think all women have had this happen. I have seen many.

[Scoundrel]

I've been hit by brass from the glock in the stall next to me at the range many times.

[G8RDave]

Timely topic. My wife and I were at the range today and a couple spent casing found their way down her tank top. Marks between the breasts and by the belly button. I guess she'll wear t-shirts from now on. :)

[Barth]

I've been hit by brass from the glock in the stall next to me at the range many times.

Ops,

Although I hate getting rained on with shells from adjacent stations.
I'm very sure I've been guilty of raining on folks near me with my Glock G27/357.

I shot 100+ rounds and only could find around 15 or 20 shell casings anywhere
near me when I swept up.
I do try to shoot on weekdays when the doors open.
Usually there are very few, if any, other folks shooting.

Don't know what I can really do about that?

[Scoundrel]

Ops,

Although I hate getting rained on with shells from adjacent stations.
I'm very sure I've been guilty of raining on folks near me with my Glock G27/357.

I shot 100+ rounds and only could find around 15 or 20 shell casings anywhere
near me when I swept up.
I do try to shoot on weekdays when the doors open.
Usually there are very few, if any, other folks shooting.

Don't know what I can really do about that?

Probably nothing. It's not that big a deal to me. I just wear a hat with a brim when I go to the range, and I view it as an exercise in maintaining my concentration even when getting hit in the head randomly by casings from next door.

[Sage]

I sold my Glock Gen4 23 for just that problem and about a 3% failure to feed rate. Before I sold it I took it to Glock in Smyrna, Ga. where they put in a new ejector, extractor and RSA. It did not solve the problem. After 500 rounds in my PM9 not a single problem of any kind.

[Barth]

I sold my Glock Gen4 23 for just that problem and about a 3% failure to feed rate. Before I sold it I took it to Glock in Smyrna, Ga. where they put in a new ejector, extractor and RSA. It did not solve the problem. After 500 rounds in my PM9 not a single problem of any kind.

My Glock G27 has a ZERO failure rate in three calibers and 4000+ rounds.
I can live with not being able to find all my shell casings - LOL.

Note: Squeezed off 50 GDHP Duty and 100 Federal Tactical JHP
357 Sig rounds at lunch today. Swept up 20 or 25 casings tops....

[jocko]

I sold my Glock Gen4 23 for just that problem and about a 3% failure to feed rate. Before I sold it I took it to Glock in Smyrna, Ga. where they put in a new ejector, extractor and RSA. It did not solve the problem. After 500 rounds in my PM9 not a single problem of any kind.

a negative Glock report, only on this forum canu get away with that comment. Try it on the Glock talk and they will run u out on a rail, for as u know GLOCK PERFECTION means exactly that, But ovber here will allow u to make that comment and live another day:D:D Just sayin

[TucsonMTB]

My Glock G27 has a ZERO failure rate in three calibers and 4000+ rounds.
I can live with not being able to find all my shell casings - LOL.

Note: Squeezed off 50 GDHP Duty and 100 Federal Tactical JHP
357 Sig rounds at lunch today. Swept up 20 or 25 casings tops....
And here I thought our (not very often fired anymore) Kel-Tec P-3AT's were the only commonly seen pistol to put ejected cases in a low earth orbit. :eek:

[CJB]

Both Bob Day and Jim Clark used to say the could tell just how the extraxtor and ejector on a 1911 were set up...just by the place the empties landed.

[Barth]

a negative Glock report, only on this forum canu get away with that comment. Try it on the Glock talk and they will run u out on a rail, for as u know GLOCK PERFECTION means exactly that, But ovber here will allow u to make that comment and live another day:D:D Just sayin

I timeshare between KahrTalk and GlockTalk
under the top secret user name Barth.

There are actually lots of folks having issues with their Glocks.
Mostly gen 4 and late gen 3 9mm guns.
Hot brass in the face mostly.

Endless sticky threads about ejector/extractor part numbers,
chickens feet and Voo Doo rituals to resolve the problem.
There is a lot of quiet talk that Glock quality is on the wain (gen 4).

Funny thing is folks using 40-9mm conversion barrels and 40 extractor/ejectors, like me, are fine.

The gen 4 guns in general seem to be hit and miss quality wise.
Lots of folks sending new guns back to the Mother Ship.

[Scoundrel]

Blasphemy! :eek:

[Tinman507]

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[Barth]

Blasphemy! :eek:

Yup, Yup.
Lot's of newbies join that forum after drinking the cool aid,
buying a new gen 4 Glock and being unpleasantly surprised with problems.

There really seems to be quality control issues in Glock Land.

My Glock that I rave about is a gen 3 G27/40 cal

[jocko]

I timeshare between KahrTalk and GlockTalk
under the top secret user name Barth.

There are actually lots of folks having issues with their Glocks.
Mostly gen 4 and late gen 3 9mm guns.
Hot brass in the face mostly.

Endless sticky threads about ejector/extractor part numbers,
chickens feet and Voo Doo rituals to resolve the problem.
There is a lot of quiet talk that Glock quality is on the wain (gen 4).

Funny thing is folks using 40-9mm conversion barrels and 40 extractor/ejectors, like me, are fine.

The gen 4 guns in general seem to be hit and miss quality wise.
Lots of folks sending new guns back to the Mother Ship.

time for ol jocko to go ovber there and do a PROPPER PREPPNG OF UR NEW GLOCK.

My comment would be plain and simple: Trade it for a kahr:target:

[Barth]

time for ol jocko to go ovber there and do a PROPPER PREPPNG OF UR NEW GLOCK.

My comment would be plain and simple: Trade it for a kahr:target:

Yah, I think you might not be welcome over there Jocko - LOL!

[Armybrat]

Timely topic. My wife and I were at the range today and a couple spent casing found their way down her tank top. Marks between the breasts and by the belly button. I guess she'll wear t-shirts from now on. :)

Where are the pictures?

:confused:

[jocko]

Yah, I think you might not be welcome over there Jocko - LOL!

guarantee u on that I have tried over the year a dozen times to get on that glock talk and I get a form reply saying basically NO way Hose!! :target:

[O'Dell]

I'm sorta happy I don't have the choice of going over there. They banned me several years ago.

[jocko]

I'm sorta happy I don't have the choice of going over there. They banned me several years ago.

premtied that, buy them just never letting me on as a member in the first place. I have no idea who the mods are but it is evident they knew me. fokk um and the horse they road in on:behindsofa:

[GROTMAN]

premtied that, buy them just never letting me on as a member in the first place. I have no idea who the mods are but it is evident they knew me. fokk um and the horse they road in on:behindsofa:

Maybe you can fool them by changing your name to GLOCKO :rolleyes:

[Tinman507]

I'd buy a ticket to that circus

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[eltee]

How does one generally correct a kahr that drops brass back in the face? One of my .40's does it sometimes.

[Popeye]

How does one generally correct a kahr that drops brass back in the face? One of my .40's does it sometimes.

I've never had a problem with any of my pistols throwing brass directly into my face including my Gen 3 Glock 26. I've heard numerous stories of new Gen 4 glocks doing it. IMO Glock has gone downhill in the last couple years. While many other brands have progressed. I think S/A with there XD line and S&W with there M&P line of pistols is about to or already has knocked Glock off there perch. I'm starting to see more LEO's using other brands as of late.

[Barth]

I've never had a problem with any of my pistols throwing brass directly into my face including my Gen 3 Glock 26. I've heard numerous stories of new Gen 4 glocks doing it. IMO Glock has gone downhill in the last couple years. While many other brands have progressed. I think S/A with there XD line and S&W with there MP line of pistols is about to or already has knocked Glock off there perch. I'm starting to see more LEO's using other brands as of late.

+1.
My MK40, never ever, not even during breakin.
Actually that's never happend to me with 5000+ rounds in any of my autos.
Sig Sauer P220/45 and P239/357? You've go to be kidding.

And although Glocks are becoming notorious for it.
My Glock Gen 3 G27 is approching 4000 rounds in 9mm, 357 Sig and 40.
And only once was I maybe hit directly with brass.

Glocks new Gen 4s may, or may, not perform out of the box.
I personally wouldn't buy a Gen 4. Not now anyway.
There does seem to be a very real shift to S&W, XD and Walther.

[TucsonMTB]

How does one generally correct a kahr that drops brass back in the face? One of my .40's does it sometimes.
It may stop without you doing anything as the extractor polishes through wear and the extractor spring gets a little looser.

If you absolutely have to do something about it yourself and plan on completely stripping your slide, despite Kahr's recommendation that you not. It is possible to shorten the "Extractor Pin Back" in the extractor spring stack to reduce extractor tension. High extractor spring tension is frequently the cause of head bopping on other platforms like 1911's. It may be the culprit here too.

http://www.kahr.com/getdynamicimage.aspx?w=200&h=200&path=Extractor-Pin-Back773.jpg
The pins are only $1.10 from Karh as spare parts at this link (http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kahr-027PM4-Extractor-Pin-Back.asp).

Disclaimer: I only took about 5 thousandths of an inch off mine. It seemed to help make feeding smoother. I did not have a head bopping issue before or after filing a little off the pin.

If you buy a spare before tearing into your slide (I did) then you won't have to worry if you take off too much or it turns out to make the problem worse. ;)

[jokester]

I did own a pm45 that ejected a spent case directly into my forehead and left me bleeding just a little.I wore a hat backwards after that.

[wyntrout]

It works better to wear the bill forward as low as possible, so you're covered completely with eye AND head protection. I learned that after my first trip to the range with my PM45 "Boomer". The love taps weren't too bad, but I didn't look in a mirror and went shopping at Wal-Mart for half an hour. I didn't see that my forehead was covered with black marks until I got home. I just wondered what everyone thought.:rolleyes:

After all the trips back to the factory and becoming "Franken-Boomer" the love taps went away... pretty much. I don't think there are any original parts left on the PM45.

Wynn:)

[gm412]

I thought my KAHR P380 was throwing brass in my face. Then I relized it was from hitting the divider between the indoor shooting stalls and bouncing back in my face. Moved a step over. That brass can be hot.

[wyntrout]

Sometimes they bounce off the overhead target cabling or anything else around you.

Wynn:)

[Barth]

Sometimes they bounce off the overhead target cabling or anything else around you.

Wynn:)

+1
Absolutely.
Now that happens to me for sure.
My G27, with 9mm, seems to have the perfect ejection angle to
hit the wall and come back at me - LOL!
Not in the face though.
In 357 it rains in the adjacent booths.
So that's what I shoot in it.
Keeps the riff raff away.

[Wolffire99]

I recently bought a new glock 19 gen3 (test fired November 2011) that is throwing about two shells out of a 50ct box right back between the eyes with fmj target stuff. Nothing so far with quality SD rounds.

From what I've read, glock recently changed the way the extractors are made. It was probably a corporate move to save 0.01 cents per unit. Why mess with a good thing?

I'm giving it until 500 rounds to "break in" and if it's still doing it I'll sell it and get an m&p.

[JFootin]

I recently bought a new glock 19 gen3 (test fired November 2011) that is throwing about two shells out of a 50ct box right back between the eyes with fmj target stuff. Nothing so far with quality SD rounds.

From what I've read, glock recently changed the way the extractors are made. It was probably a corporate move to save 0.01 cents per unit. Why mess with a good thing?

I'm giving it until 500 rounds to "break in" and if it's still doing it I'll sell it and get an m&p.

It's a new gun under warranty. Why not send it back to the mothership and get it fixed on Glock's dime?

[Wolffire99]

I've been keeping up with things over on glock talk regarding this issue. It seems nothing is coming back fixed right now, glock doesn't have a fix for this yet.

[Popeye]

I've been keeping up with things over on glock talk regarding this issue. It seems nothing is coming back fixed right now, glock doesn't have a fix for this yet.

In todays market with all the good pistols out there, Glock better find a fix in a hurry. I like my Glock 26 well enough but I certainly do not look at it as anything special. It has not been more reliable or a better shooter than my PM9, XD9SC,CZ 75B, or the RIA 1911. Although they may be a bit different from one another in what there made of with different features and uses, there all great priced right pistols that I have CC at one time or another. There are many other brands I've also shot with great results. Unfortunately on retirement income I can't buy them all.:( IMO Glock does not have a lock on good reliable pistols at a good price. Anyone thinking they do needs to put down the Glockaide open there eyes, and mind and dare to think out of the box, and get to a gun shop and see what's really going on in the gun world. Not Bashing Glocks, Just keeping it real,as they are not the only game in town (far from it)when it comes to great pistols. The gun world is a beautiful place with so many choices. We are very lucky my friends.:D

[Barth]

I recently bought a new glock 19 gen3 (test fired November 2011) that is throwing about two shells out of a 50ct box right back between the eyes with fmj target stuff. Nothing so far with quality SD rounds.

From what I've read, glock recently changed the way the extractors are made. It was probably a corporate move to save 0.01 cents per unit. Why mess with a good thing?

I'm giving it until 500 rounds to "break in" and if it's still doing it I'll sell it and get an m&p.

S&W M&Ps and Walther PPQs are going to eat Glocks lunch if they aren't careful.

I love my gen 3 G27.
But if I was in the market for a compact 9mm it would not be a Glock.