Big dots vs. Standard dots from XS

[hsart]

Been a lot of conversation recently mentioning the big dots and the consensus is that they are great for aging eyes and best for short range shooting. Any experience with the standard dots by XS Sights out there? Would this be a good choice for those aging eyes but also good out to say 15 yards (as well as 5-10 yards). I have Mepro tru-dots and I just have a hard time acquiring the front sight in lower light (like at the range). A white circle around the tritiums on my tru-dots may be all I need to solve this. Wondering whether it is worth trying the standard dots from xs.

[Bawanna]

Absolutely. The standard dots will do exactly what your asking. I have 3 1911's with the standard dots and I love them. When/if I put new sights on my K40 I might consider the big dot on the front as I consider it up close and personal. The standard dots show up well with the white ring around the tritium insert so they are good in daylight also. Alot of night sights I've seen were actually poor in the light?????

[hsart]

Absolutely. The standard dots will do exactly what your asking. I have 3 1911's with the standard dots and I love them. When/if I put new sights on my K40 I might consider the big dot on the front as I consider it up close and personal. The standard dots show up well with the white ring around the tritium insert so they are good in daylight also. Alot of night sights I've seen were actually poor in the light?????
Thanks!!! I'm getting tired of the night sights I have when I shoot during the day. I wonder why the NS manufacturers don't put a discreet white or light color ring around the tritium inserts? Might solve the problem for us old(er) guys.

[gj47]

I believe tool tech gun sights can help you with adding that ring. I was wondering myself about the xs big dot system but I'm not ready to drop the coin on another type of sighting system that I never used before. I prefer the setup of a black rear sight and a tritium front sight.

[Bawanna]

Warning- personal opinion forthcoming.

I personally think that night sights are highly overrated:eek: They are nice if desired and a must for a cops duty gun up against all kinds of bad things. One reason I have not messed with the sights on my K40 is even though they are not night sights they are definite and bright and clear.
I think when your staring at the elephant in a bad situation with your belly gun, the last issue to be addressed will be glowing sights.
Front sight, press, front sight press.
The opinions of bawanna are not necessarily the opinions of any normal people in the human race and nor to we pretend to be associated with any people described as such. Normble rocks.:cool:

[jeep45238]

Warning- personal opinion forthcoming.

I personally think that night sights are highly overrated:eek:


Pretty much agree - to a point - just wait for the uploaded photo in a few to show the disagreement that helps in daylight and night time shooting (only costs $30 for guns that already have night sights too - cheaper if you're willing to play with a little paint and don't care about resale of night sights).

[jeep45238]

Original:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/jeep45238/Range%20Time/Kahr%20T40/Photo51.jpg

Current:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/jeep45238/Range%20Time/Kahr%20T40/Photo52.jpg

It makes a HUGE difference in front sight acquisition by having a much simpler sight picture. See the dot, pull the trigger. Want to shoot for accuracy? Use the notch/post method. This is the same theory for using a plain rear sight and a bright fiber optic front sight - except it works equally as well during the day and at night. P.S. - .005" off center in the dovetail by installing by hand - not too shabby :D

Total investment in modification : $30 for plain black rear Novak.



I don't view a set of night sights to have any benefit over plain black. Why?

All that you need to do, if you want a fast sight picture, is have an easy to find front sight. I've shot plenty of pistols WITHOUT the rear sight just to prove my point - and the grouping and shot placement is more than adequate.

With this style of sight arrangement, the front sight stands out like you wouldn't believe. Within 7-10 yards, if your front sight is over the target at all, you're going to hit it. The more and more you train, the more you build muscle memory for this stuff - and as soon as that dot hovers over your close target, your mind starts to trigger the "fire the shot" process before you really start to recognize it.

If you can't see your sights, you probably can't see your target, so why shoot?. If you're shooting to live up close and personal, you're probably not going to use your sights.

I personally wish more gun makers would offer this sight arrangement from the factory. S&W's M&P pro series is the closest thing I've found for under $600, which has a plain black low rid Novak and a big honkin fiber optic front. Usually this kind of sighting system is reserved for 'competition guns' *rolls eyes*

[Vinikahr]

.25 Cents

[wyntrout]

Is that some of your recycled nookular waste -- that glow in the dark paint?
Wynn:D

[Vinikahr]

Is that some of your recycled nookular waste -- that glow in the dark paint?
Wynn:D


Yes sir!:D

[wyntrout]

Looks good!
Here are some motivational posters:
Wynn:D
Here's some more stuff, since I hijacked this thread:

Marine Corps Rules:

1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a '4.'
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.


Navy SEALS Rules:
1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
2. Kill every living thing within view.
3. Adjust speedo.
4. Check hair in mirror.


US Army Rangers Rules:
1. Walk 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
3. Request permission via radio from 'Higher' to perform killing.
4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

US Army Rules:
1. Curse bitterly when receiving operational order.
2. Make sure there is extra ammo and extra coffee.
3. Curse bitterly.
4. Curse bitterly.
5. Do not listen to 2nd LTs; it can get you killed.
6. Curse bitterly.


US Air Force Rules:
1. Have a cocktail.
2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
3. See what's on HBO.
4. Ask 'What is a gunfight?'
5. Request more funding from Congress with a 'killer' Power Point presentation.
6. Wine & dine ''key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
8. Declare the assets 'strategic' and never deploy them operationally.
9. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.
10. Make sure the base is
as far as possible from the conflict but close enough to have tax exemption.

(And I Love This Next One) Go Navy!

US Navy Rules:
1. Go to Sea.
2. Drink Coffee.
3. Deploy Marines.

[jeep45238]

Yes sir!:D


Try covering the rears with electrical tape and giving it a couple quick presentation/dry fire practices - you may be suprised :)

[jocko]

its all about sight preference. . there are lots of great night sights out there. BUT that being said the xs big dot were never designed for "aging" eyes". That is not the concept of the xs big dot sights. I have stated many times to, they are not the sights for everyone either. they are IMO a excellent quick acquisistion sight. (a fighting sight) definitely not a target sight. If one reads any of xs big dot "verbage". they will tell you they are a close up 15 yards and under sight.

I love um on my PM9 and P380 but these are close up defense weapons. I have on my G19 some excellent Dawson fiber optic front and back adjustable sight (rear sight). Now those are sights you can hit a beer can with at 25 yards and probalby would even be a damn good fighting sight, certainly not a night sight, but fiber optic sights in daylight to me has no comparison.

There is not just one sight for everyone, You have to define what you want and then go find the company that makes it for your gun..

[quikduk]

...well...after reading these responses...I am still a bit confused.

I went to the range again and I definitely need better sights than the factory Kahr system. I am having difficulty with the FS acquisition. I still think that the 24/7 XS Big Dots would be a big improvement on the diminutive MK.

[hsart]

Jocko....I thought I had been around the block a few times, but I have not seen fiber optic sights. I assume these are glass fibers that are colored and carry light along their length so during the day they appear illuminated? Sounds like a perfect daytime sight for CCW. Can you see anything of it at night? Thanks for info!!!

[jocko]

...well...after reading these responses...I am still a bit confused.

I went to the range again and I definitely need better sights than the factory Kahr system. I am having difficulty with the FS acquisition. I still think that the 24/7 XS Big Dots would be a big improvement on the diminutive MK.

thery certainly would be of great help..

[jocko]

Jocko....I thought I had been around the block a few times, but I have not seen fiber optic sights. I assume these are glass fibers that are colored and carry light along their length so during the day they appear illuminated? Sounds like a perfect daytime sight for CCW. Can you see anything of it at night? Thanks for info!!!

is NO.. Ihave the red front fiber optic sight and the back adjsutabe sight has the two green tubes. Totally awesome in daylight. Mine are Dawson sights, look up his sight. He does not make anything for kahr, but I think kahr offers fiber optic sights for their guns now as an accessory...

Ur just walking around the wrong block!!!

[hsart]

is NO.. Ihave the red front fiber optic sight and the back adjsutabe sight has the two green tubes. Totally awesome in daylight. Mine are Dawson sights, look up his sight. He does not make anything for kahr, but I think kahr offers fiber optic sights for their guns now as an accessory...

Ur just walking around the wrong block!!!
Went to college in NYC and I did walk around the wrong block one night - right into a gang of armed teenagers who were collecting money from citizens for their habit. Felt the cold steel against my forehead - lived to talk about it though. Stuff happens! That won't happen again though. PM45 in pocket. Will definitely look into the Dawson sights.

[hsart]

Looks good!
Here are some motivational posters:
Wynn:D
Here's some more stuff, since I hijacked this thread:

Marine Corps Rules:

1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a '4.'
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.


Navy SEALS Rules:
1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
2. Kill every living thing within view.
3. Adjust speedo.
4. Check hair in mirror.


US Army Rangers Rules:
1. Walk 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
3. Request permission via radio from 'Higher' to perform killing.
4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

US Army Rules:
1. Curse bitterly when receiving operational order.
2. Make sure there is extra ammo and extra coffee.
3. Curse bitterly.
4. Curse bitterly.
5. Do not listen to 2nd LTs; it can get you killed.
6. Curse bitterly.


US Air Force Rules:
1. Have a cocktail.
2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
3. See what's on HBO.
4. Ask 'What is a gunfight?'
5. Request more funding from Congress with a 'killer' Power Point presentation.
6. Wine & dine ''key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
8. Declare the assets 'strategic' and never deploy them operationally.
9. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.
10. Make sure the base is
as far as possible from the conflict but close enough to have tax exemption.

(And I Love This Next One) Go Navy!

US Navy Rules:
1. Go to Sea.
2. Drink Coffee.
3. Deploy Marines.
Keep the posters et al coming. Love em! my pop after fighting in Pacific in WW2 told me that he shoulda joined the Air Force. But I have more of a Marine mentality.

[wyntrout]

All this stuff was a little biased towards the Marines... gotta love the "Maze" -- no beating around the bush. Semper Fi!
This does sound like the Air Force, but when fighting a war, they kick ass and give the grunts support... before going back to base and the bar.
Wynn