Question about NYPD K9 from a newb

[ZardozCZ]

I'm just breaking in my CM9, and liking it more each time I've had it to the range. I really like its size for carry, and my accuracy is getting better (I'm leaving the Glock G27 home until I get better dialed in with the CM9).

I'm thinking seriously of the K9 in all stainless and the price for the NYPD trade ins really is very good. Does the K9 have less flip and come back on target quicker because of the greater mass of the frame? I'm just now trying to double tap my targets and seeing how the G27 is slower to get that second shot compared to the CM9, and I'm wondering if the K9 might be even quicker.

Does the extra half inch of the K9 (over CM9) make it harder to conceal? I know the weight would pull down on my belt more. I got the CM9 after the G27 for it's better conceal-ability, and don't want to go much larger.

Is the NYPD trigger similar to the CM9 trigger?

Are the NYPD trade-ins stainless or ???

With the CM9 in hand, would the K9 be a nightstand queen or would it be more than that? Might it replace the CM9? Dimension in print just don't tell me the story, and I'm hoping y'all can share your experience before I possibly misspend on the NYPD K9 trade-in.

Thanks in advance!

[Tinman507]

You cannot mis-spend your hard earned dollars buying a K9.
It's definitely got less flip than a CM9. The extra mass of the SS frame absorbs the recoil so much better.
The trigger is buttery smooth and I can't tell the difference between my CM9 and the NYPD K9.
I use the K9 as my EDC. Yes the weight is a factor, but with a good belt and holster, it's definitely do-able. I carry IWB so the additional half inch doesn't matter, that part is buried anyway.
My CM9 sits in the nightstand most of the time. It makes an appearance if I wear shorts or whatever.
I shoot the K9 so much better than the CM9.
Many folks, me included report these guns come pretty gunked up. They clean up well with some TLC. Defintely figure on changing springs.
I hope this answers some of your concerns. In my opinion, you can't go wrong buying one.

[jocko]

I'm just breaking in my CM9, and liking it more each time I've had it to the range. I really like its size for carry, and my accuracy is getting better (I'm leaving the Glock G27 home until I get better dialed in with the CM9).

I'm thinking seriously of the K9 in all stainless and the price for the NYPD trade ins really is very good. Does the K9 have less flip and come back on target quicker because of the greater mass of the frame? I'm just now trying to double tap my targets and seeing how the G27 is slower to get that second shot compared to the CM9, and I'm wondering if the K9 might be even quicker.

Does the extra half inch of the K9 (over CM9) make it harder to conceal? I know the weight would pull down on my belt more. I got the CM9 after the G27 for it's better conceal-ability, and don't want to go much larger.

Is the NYPD trigger similar to the CM9 trigger?

Are the NYPD trade-ins stainless or ???

With the CM9 in hand, would the K9 be a nightstand queen or would it be more than that? Might it replace the CM9? Dimension in print just don't tell me the story, and I'm hoping y'all can share your experience before I possibly misspend on the NYPD K9 trade-in.

Thanks in advance!

not be a nightstand gun but it ain't gona be ur carry gun either. u own a cm9, just gonna be hard to go backwards for a carry peace. I have a NYPD K9 and live it but it is my home gun and range fun gun, nothign else. Yes they are stainless and the nypd triger is similar in pull and smoothness to ur cm9 but ur cm9 has a 3/8
" trigger travel and the nypd has a 1/2" trigger travel. I ccan't tell the difference vbur some can. U will shoot it better than ur cm9 IMO

For waist band carry the K9 should be a super nice gun to carry. A good rig is what makes the gun dissappear on ur side, If u like stell u outta love the K9.

PS Pay no attention to Tinman,he speaks with forked tongue:D

[GunnerD]

The K9 definitely belongs on the belt either OWB or IWB, and my feeling is if I'm going to wear the PM9 (or CM9 in your case) on my belt, then I might as well have the K9 there instead.

For me the PM9 (or CM9 in your case) is for pocket carry, albeit for big pockets, eg. cargo pants. It doesn't work so well in khakis or jeans pockets. That's what my Ruger LCP is for. Or when I can't carry at all, the Kel-tec P32. :-)

[ZardozCZ]

OK, so I'm not misguided in thinking this will be a used tool. From an auction site it appears that others may be buying and selling these at a small profit, or they spent too much for ffl and shipping. I just was concerned that they might be junkers, but no one here expressed buyers remorse so that's a good sign. It also appears that they hold their value pretty well.

Thanks for your input!

[ripley16]

Zardoz... are you the world famous Zardoz? Real men do have a long pony tail, a red diaper with suspenders and boots up to their..., welcome to the forum.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/mjtrubs/zardoz.jpg

Nothing to add to the other's answers other than the K9 and CM9 are similar but much different in overall feel, mainly weight and grip. Either one an improvement in CCW over the revolver shown above. :D

[tv_racin_fan]

I don't see how you could misspend on a K9 myself... but then if you buy it for carry and find that the CM9 is better for your choice of carry then I can see that that would be misspent. However I find the K9 the perfect carry size for me.. and if I could swing it past the wife I would buy at least four of em.. I have three daughters and a son who I am sure would love to have them.

[downtownv]

My k-9 is my carry my kimber is my favorite shooter my sig is my back packer!

[ZardozCZ]

I'll thank or blame you all soon. Dirty NYCity K9 is heading my way.

I wonder if the local Federal plant has a seconds/outlet store? I should check.

I notice lots of you buy springs. Necessary or precaution? Dare I shoot with old springs?

Thanks all for your input

[Infidel proud]

Changing springs is like getting an oil change on your car...keeps it runing smooth.

I think kahr says you should change springs every 2000 rounds or so, and since you won't know how many rounds have been sent through ur k9, its prob a good idea...

[Tinman507]

For sure on the springs. Wolffs ships quick. Recoil spring comes with striker spring. Be aware, installing the new recoil spring is a beast the first time. Shoot it for 100 rounds and it's all set and easy to remove and install.

[ZardozCZ]

http://img.tapatalk.com/ad1fd914-0c06-ebc6.jpg

It arrived. Worn but serviceable we hope. Cleaned it well but barrel is leaded and may be slightly pitted in chamber and first .25" of bore. Hoppe's and a brush are thinning the lead lowly. The chamber is improving some as well.

More pics soon... These are "as received".

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[jocko]

probably abused more than worn. Try if u have a dremel their polishing cone, it willfti right iside the chamber and some flitz or ultra fine polishing comppund might take some of those pits out eve. If it feeds we3ll and shoots Ok those pitts ain't gonna hurt anything . Once u get it as clean as it can be, I douvbt if u will let if progress backwards again. U can check and get pretty close to its date of birth with the serial number and then using this forum serial number history in the kahr tech section.

IMO it takes a hell of alot to make a K9 unservicable, and ur gun doesn't show it. I would for sure take the slide completely down, every part cleaned and the striker channel and extractor chanel throughly cleaned. I would not replace the extractor springs either, unless they are rusted but IMO the extractor springs like recoil springs take some kind of set over time so ur extractor area should be well tuned. IMO I wuld leave the striker spring alone to, unless u wanna put in the 5# streker spring from wolffs, More than likely now ur factory spring which should have been arond 7#has also taken a ver nice set over time and proabably will be down in the 5-6# range easily.


some say to that JB BORE paste cleaner from brownells is the best for leaded up bores etc. Their claim is thatit will not harm any bore at all.Nice thing about apaste is that u can let is sit for awhile and it won't run anywhere.

I would not loose alot of sleep over the barrel. get it as clean as clean can be and what is then left to the eye is what u got. I seriously doubt if it will effect any accuracy and funtioning either.

Take those grips off and give that lower frame one of the best spray cleaning jobs u can. I would suggest taking no parts out of the lower. If ur grips are the all rubber grips, IMO u got a dandy gun there to. the rubber grips justr give such a nice comfy feel.

definitel use thekahr lube chart to get the gun back up and running.. So typical of alot of officers guns, to them they are tools and some have no pride in their tools. Just think if that gun was blued steel????
I haveno doubt in my mind this gun is not worn from rounds down range, that IMO is just not gonna happen with a kahr. I try to use my PM9 as my source of that reference,as it has over 32K rounds through it and u cannot see any wear anywhere. I take care of it, no doubt but these kahrs are built like a tank and the K9 is the lead tank in kahrs line IMO. Just sayin

[Tinman507]

I'm curious to know what a leaded barrel looks like. I can see the rifling clearly in my K9, but how would I know if it was lead gunked?

[Tinman507]

The lead thing got me to searching. Ran across this article on removal.
http://www.westernshooter.com/2011/12/fast-method-for-removing-lead-in-pistol-barrels.html

If Kahr barrels are nickle plated stainless, will this solution damage the plating?

[dkmatthews]

The lead thing got me to searching. Ran across this article on removal.
http://www.westernshooter.com/2011/12/fast-method-for-removing-lead-in-pistol-barrels.html

If Kahr barrels are nickle plated stainless, will this solution damage the plating?

Nice link, Tinman507! Ya gotta love home chemistry experiments!

[downtownv]

One correction Z man NYC is one of the cleanest cities in America! Shop keepers are fined $200 if litter is in front of their store fronts regardless of who dropped it! Drtiest cities? Detroit Philadelphia by far, nothing else comes close!
Enjoy your k9!

[ZardozCZ]

I'm curious to know what a leaded barrel looks like. I can see the rifling clearly in my K9, but how would I know if it was lead gunked?


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K9 lead, lead is lighter than the steel.

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CM9 copper, lighter streaks are copper

[ZardozCZ]

The K9 slide rattles side to side. Is it supposed to do that? The CM9 doesn't.

[ZardozCZ]

One correction Z man NYC is one of the cleanest cities in America! Shop keepers are fined $200 if litter is in front of their store fronts regardless of who dropped it! Drtiest cities? Detroit Philadelphia by far, nothing else comes close!
Enjoy your k9!

I haven't been to manhattan since 1990. It wasn't so nice then, but my comment was on the K9 being dirty based on comments from others on their purchases. I miss all the great restaurants!

[jocko]

The lead thing got me to searching. Ran across this article on removal.
http://www.westernshooter.com/2011/12/fast-method-for-removing-lead-in-pistol-barrels.html

If Kahr barrels are nickle plated stainless, will this solution damage the plating?

will tellyou that their #9 won'tharm nickel plated barrels. but if u leave the #9 in there a long time, it can discolor the barrel . So agai common sense previals when cleaning a barrel. J,.B.bore cleaner claims it is OK for nickel barrel but again not sure I would wantto leave their pate i the barrel for a few hours either. It's not gonna eat thenickel but I can also discolor it which wopuld not bother me any either.

Military barrels are nickel plated, Military Beretta barrel is nickel plated, not sure what they us eto clean their barrels but I would bet it is no different that what we can buy over thecounter at any gun shop. For aslong asI can rememberHoppes #9 has beenused to clean barrels and no serious damages that I can recall. Gun barrels are tuff, the nickel coatings are even tuffer. Far more non corrosive than standard barrels. Lead has been around for year in guns, seems most all owner figure out a way to keep um clean without damage. Again common sense has to be #1.

[ZardozCZ]

Just ran a quick 50 through it and .... Itsa Keeper! I'm more accurate with it and it is faster double tap (with both rounds on target even). Not a fail in the box. But the ejected shells had a lot of these

http://img.tapatalk.com/ad1fd914-b324-c03f.jpg

Any ideas what is flattening the side and if it's a problem?

[jocko]

other that the kahr manual states this is normal. U can down load the entire kahr owners manual off thier site and it discusss this and tells u it is normal. which it is.

[kb2wji]

Congrats on the K9!! I too have an NYPD reject. It was filthy, but it was fun to clean up. It's a peach now! It's my favorite gun to shoot, and I carry it all the time. It is very comfortable in my OWB holster. Dont be afraid of detail stripping the slide. I was shocked at how gunked up it was. It's nice to put all those shiny pieces back together. Theres a youtube video of how to do it. It sounds complicated when people talk about it, but its very easy. You would have to try really hard to screw it up.

[ZardozCZ]

Thanks for the reassurance. I'll go find the manual for sure.