Can't remove slide by trigger pull

[Newuser]

Hello. I just got my Kahr p380 and set about disassembling it to prep it. After removing the slide stop, I was unable to get the slide off even when the trigger had been depressed.

The slide would stop firmly about a half inch off.

Ultimately I found that I can get it past that point if I insert a magazine and can then remove it the rest of the way after removing the magazine. I can also get it off by sticking a screw driver or other object up the empty handle to push up the silver lever that the trigger causes to move up.

Any idea what the problem is? Any simple solution besides mailing it back to Kahr?

[Newuser]

I found the answer.

There's an extra supplement to the manual explaining that this is what the orange plastic fake magazine that came with the gun is for.

Very strange, but at least my gun is working as the manufacturers expect.

[DJK11]

Orange plastic fake magazine? I guess they made some changes since I purchased mine.

[kerby9mm]

It sounds like the trigger bar. Were you able to rack and dry fire before you tried to disassemble the gun.

[jocko]

well that is a new one on me, looks like kahrs has maybe eliminated complaints in that area now to.

nice thing when we read the manual before shooting it to. It helps as u well know now to. enjoy the P380 it is one super little pocket rocket..

any chance this forum can see a picutre ofthis orange plastic fake mag..

[wyntrout]

Don't force the slide forward, but wiggle the trigger a bit(lightly pulling and letting off) to get the slide past the ejector or cam. I usually have to do this with most of my Kahrs... no biggy!

I do the same to get the slide back on.

Wynn:)

[kerby9mm]

I don't think the extractor could have any bearing on removing thr slide since it is up high on the slide. The cocking cam is wjat normally restricts since you have to pull the trigger to remove the slide. Cam assembly and bar could be stuck. Is some shredded plastic jammed in. Hard to tell.

[JFootin]

Don't force the slide forward, but wiggle the trigger a bit(lightly pulling and letting off) to get the slide past the extractor or cam. I usually have to do this with most of my Kahrs... no biggy!

I do the same to get the slide back on.

Wynn:)


I don't think the extractor could have any bearing on removing thr slide since it is up high on the slide. The cocking cam is wjat normally restricts since you have to pull the trigger to remove the slide. Cam assembly and bar could be stuck. Is some shredded plastic jammed in. Hard to tell.

If you look at the back of the gun with the slide at that stopping point, you will see the cocking lobes or cams in the top back of the frame. If you wiggle the trigger until they lay down, the slide will come past there without hindrance. They are the culprit and the timing of the trigger pull is difficult to get right the first time.

[jocko]

DJK11 pm SENT.

[jocko]

thank you, so we did not kow that the 380 mentioned had a LRI on it and a special mag was in the box with the gun. I wonder if it has somethig to do with the mag disconnet also. The LRI seems to be out of the way when disassembly happens. Having never seen one of the 380 with the lri and mag disconnet on it, I am guessin to..

thanks for the photo.

[wyntrout]

I don't think the extractor could have any bearing on removing thr slide since it is up high on the slide. The cocking cam is wjat normally restricts since you have to pull the trigger to remove the slide. Cam assembly and bar could be stuck. Is some shredded plastic jammed in. Hard to tell.

Ejector... I know what's what, but that doesn't keep me from saying one when I mean the other!:rolleyes:

Wynn:D

[Newuser]

I suppose it must be an LCI thing. That's why it's an addition to the manual.

Broke the gun in and it shoots just fine as long as I use factory ammo. It HATED reloads.

[FireMoose]

what's LCI?

[MW surveyor]

Loaded
Chamber
Indicator
:)

[DKD]

Mine shot reloads just fine. Maybe your reloads aren't stiff enough to cycle the action properly. Stck with jacketed loads in the mid to upper load densities and all will be just fine. As ou you get more rounds down range the pistol will settle in and eat most any round you choose to feed it.

[Newuser]

I hope so. But I'm still not reliably feeding factory ammo, so I'm not willing to revisit the reloads for a bit. I have about 600 rounds in now.

I've noticed that my slide is not returning properly after firing. I can recreate the problem with an empty chamber by pulling it back slightly and letting go...it just sits there a few millimeters out.

I've ordred a new recoil spring in hopes that may solve it.

[kenm]

I found the answer.

There's an extra supplement to the manual explaining that this is what the orange plastic fake magazine that came with the gun is for.

Very strange, but at least my gun is working as the manufacturers expect.

Some "supplement" !!! - it is a piece of paper (not inside the manual), but stuck in the zip lock bag along with the other bits of paper.
No wonder you did not see it - reading the manual from cover to cover would not reveal this "orange secret" !!
Yes, I had the same issue until I read your post - thanks so much.
The orange "magazine" is for all Kaliforneah-legal Kahrs. We Californian "fruit and nuts" need a little red "flag" that pops up to tell us the gun is loaded, among other extra "safety features". Thank goodness that red flag avoids blocking (just barely) the gun sights.
We also have to go through a few additional maneuvers with the orange mag to remove the slide.
Oh, the things we have to put up with just to enjoy the nice weather here :o

Thanks again for your post.

[jocko]

Maybe it hated bad reloads, no reason good reloads would not do OK for range fodder, actually not a bad thing for a reload to jam up or misfire while at the range, gives u the chance of the TAP, RACK, BANG DRILL which I am sure very few really practice at that. Guilty myself.