want a P380 but..

[skiphreak]

Thank you all in advance for any input!

I am set on a 380 pocket rocket. I am set on something that has a slide lock and locks back on last round. I would like something that is DAO striker fire with no manual safety. I do not want an integrated laser.

These stipulations lead me to it seems only two choices. The Taurus and the Kahr. I hear too many questionable things about the CS and QC that Taurus provides.

I keep leaning toward the Kahr but am afraid to drop that much money on it for a few reasons:

I heard too many things it seems concerning reliability; in particular during the break in period (FTF, FTF, FTRTB etc)

Is it true that you cannot slingshot the slide to chamber the first round and that you must instead use the slide release? I am new to this game but hear that when it comes to tactical defense that to chamber a round via slingshot vs slide-release is preferred based on the sling-shot method being a rough motor skill vs using the slide release being a fine motor skill.

I currently have an M&P FS 9 and Compact 9 that both have over 2K rounds with zero malfunctions. I am set on a pocket rocket 380 for the days when I won't carry the 9C.

I would consider the bodyguard or the LCP but the BG has the manual safety and the laser, neither of which I want. The LCP does not have a slide that locks back upon last round.

Decisions Decisions. Thank you all in advance for any input!

[Infidel proud]

My 2 cents would be to go with either the cm9 or pm9... not much bigger than the p380, can conceal both my cm9 and p380 no prob, and could use the same ammo in all three of ur guns. But if ur dead set on a .380 the kahr would be a good choice. As far as the sling shot thing goes, most of my kahrs will slingshot a round after they have been broken in 200-300 rnds...seems like the smaller they are the less they want to slingshot (.380 included)...

[chrish]

I don't have a .380, don't really want a .380. But if I were considering one, hands down it'd be the Kahr. I used to (way back in the day) want a Colt Mustang...now the sig P238. But futzing with a safety is not on my list of things to do when push comes to shove, or shoot. When I transitioned from primarily revolvers to semi-autos, initially the P380 was on the list, but after looking at the size of Kahr 9mm pistols, the PM9 and ultimately the P9 were way more to my liking.

Anyway, in general, the answer to your sling-shot question is NO, not on a Kahr. After thousands of rounds, it becomes somewhat more possible, but in general not. It's designed as a carry gun, to be carried w/ a round in the chamber which I would NEVER not do w/ any gun...always carried chambered. Anyway, point is there is no point in the sling shot method. I don't ever use it. If you like/want to, to each his own, but the Kahr is going to make you cuss if you go that route and expect that to work reliably. It will not.

If you want to slingshot every reload, might as well get the Ruger, no point in slide locking back if you are doing that w/ a mag change. No real difference in slingshotting w/ the slide back or forward IMO.

There are probably more issues w/ the P380 than any other Kahr I personally have seen in my travels here and elsewhere on web reviews. It's mostly due to the short feed ramp and little space available to chamber a round. I'd say it's still the best 380 out there once broken in. But I'm a Kahr-nut. So take that for what it's worth.

I'm sure some P380 owners that have also owned the others will jump in here w/ better info.

[itsthelaw]

I have owned several M&Ps and a BG380. I have 2 CM9s and just purchased a P380. I had some issues with the P380, but they are solved now. I still have one M&P9c. IMO...the BG380 is scary unreliable. The Kahrs CAN BE scary RELIABLE. I will put my life on the line with my M&P9c, CM9 or P380 tomorrow and any other day. I can slingshot all of my Kahrs. Feel free to ask anything.

[skiphreak]

I am def. set on getting a 380; I'm not willing to go down to a 32 but want something as small as possible; as in something that I can literally toss into a pair of board shorts with a pocket holster. I have heard some good things about the Sig but that seems to be on the upper end of size when it comes to pocket 380s and I'm not keen on it being SA. I myself address the rough motor skill argument by thinking it is a not a rough, but a fine motor skill, when it comes to racking a slide on a pocket 380, given size; at which point that argument goes out the window. I have used a friends BG and put 150 through with zero issues for a total of 500 with zero issues. It seems to me (and I have read many many reviews) that all of the pocket size 380s, regardless of manufacturer, seem to have their issues; seem to be hit and miss. I assume it is just tougher to manufacture a gun of such small size with such reliability. You hear one report saying mine is 100% reliable and another saying mine sucks. I've honestly been driving myself nuts for weeks with this....I am self-proclaimed one indecisive SOB ;)

[skiphreak]

I have not yet shot a P380 or any Kahr btw. I handled a P380 in store and was concerned by how light the recoil spring seemed; seemed as though that one barely would return to battery by a simple racking of the slide....

[Infidel proud]

It is true that .380 pistols seem to all have their fair share of problems, have owned a few from different makers and haven't had any probs with mine. Had the sig p238, and the kahr p380...The kahr carried much better than the sig but the sig seemed to shoot a lil better for me. If you go with the kahr I def reccomend carrying with a round in the chamber, thats how they were designed and are perfectly safe...If you carry that way the only motor skill to worry about is trigger control...

[Jeremiah/Az]

I have the P380 & a PM9. Both have been flawless & both will slingshot. The PM9 would not @ first, but does now. My P380 has never malfunctioned one time. Guess I'm just lucky!:D Recoil is nothing in the P380 compared to the LCP & other .380's I have shot.

[DeveloperDavid]

I purchased an all black Kahr P380 about a month ago. I now have about 450 rounds through it. I had a couple of fail to battery's and premature slide locks during the first 100 rounds as can be expected during break in. The fail to battery issues worked them selves out before 200 rounds. I polished my slide release lever where it meets the magazine with a dremel to resolve the premature slide lock issue. I am very happy with my purchase. Last 250 rounds have been flawless. Much less felt recoil than with an LCP or Taurus due to locked breach. Haven't tried the body guard. I put a crimson trace laser on it. I did not like the manual on off of the laser that comes with the Bodyguard.

[jocko]

Thank you all in advance for any input!

I am set on a 380 pocket rocket. I am set on something that has a slide lock and locks back on last round. I would like something that is DAO striker fire with no manual safety. I do not want an integrated laser.

These stipulations lead me to it seems only two choices. The Taurus and the Kahr. I hear too many questionable things about the CS and QC that Taurus provides.

I keep leaning toward the Kahr but am afraid to drop that much money on it for a few reasons:

I heard too many things it seems concerning reliability; in particular during the break in period (FTF, FTF, FTRTB etc)

Is it true that you cannot slingshot the slide to chamber the first round and that you must instead use the slide release? I am new to this game but hear that when it comes to tactical defense that to chamber a round via slingshot vs slide-release is preferred based on the sling-shot method being a rough motor skill vs using the slide release being a fine motor skill.

I currently have an M&P FS 9 and Compact 9 that both have over 2K rounds with zero malfunctions. I am set on a pocket rocket 380 for the days when I won't carry the 9C.

I would consider the bodyguard or the LCP but the BG has the manual safety and the laser, neither of which I want. The LCP does not have a slide that locks back upon last round.

Decisions Decisions. Thank you all in advance for any input! u have no intentions of carrying a spare magazine for the 380 lcp, them IMO that slide lock issue is IMO not an issue, if u can't do the job in 7 rounds your probably dead already... It is certainly not needed IMO on such a smallass gun. It ain't a range gun, per say. the lcp is a fine gun, it will go bang, it is very affordable. It is not the P380 like a kahr which I think when they are runing right there is nothing in its class. I owned the lcp and the P380, I love the P380 but it is 2x as expesnisve and I could care less if it had the slide lock last round thing, sometimes just another thing that can go wrong to. both will save ur life.

I shoot my P380 far better than the lcp. I like the option of night sights on my P380 to. I am a kahr fan but I certainly would not put down the lcp. My son shoots his lcp far better than I ever did, so it ain't the gun:third:

[JFootin]

I recently purchased a Taurus 738 TCP. I had been lusting after a P380 but, like you, I couldn't swallow the price and I am put off by the numerous problems with them. I got the plain Jane version of the TCP from Bud's for $191. The trigger, though not as buttery feeling as the kahr, is quite nice—better than the LCP and P3AT. It is also not painful to shoot like the LCP is reputed to be by countless people. It has no thumb safety, has a slide lock lever and locks open on last round. The slide lock lever is tiny and adds very little to the width, which I like. (I think the one on the P380 is huge for what is supposed to be an extra thin pocket gun.) I have found it to be a well made pistol of good quality. The mags are inexpensive, well made and function 100% without tinkering. And it has a lifetime warranty. I am very pleased.

[Bill K]

Even though my PM9 has replaced 80% or more of my .380 pocket carry I hear you on wanting a .380 pocket rocket. There are enough of those times when a bigger gun will print and the .380 will not - you'll have a gun with you when you might not otherwise.

I use a little physc job on myself when making just about every big purchase, I tell myself to expect issues with my purchase. Most instances I've worried myself for nothing but it has kept me from getting really bummed out when the dream turned out better than the reality. If I were to buy a Kahr P380 I'd be expecting problems.

[nmkahrshooter]

I know you said no Ruger but I have owned one since they first came out. Except for the recall in the very beginning I have never, never had a problem with it. It has been great from the first shot! It has over 1000 rounds thru it and NEVER needed a break in period. I own Several Kahrs in 9mm and 45 but for the 380 round the LCP has been the way to go for me.

[skiphreak]

I guess I'm not particularly opposed to the Ruger. Sadly there is not a single one which seems to feature everything that I want. I do plan on carrying chambered and do not plan on carrying a spare mag when carrying the 380. The 380 would be for the times when I'm simply unable to carry anything else.

I am glad to know that at least some have had success with the slingshot method

Saying that the Ruger and Taurus are not Locked breech? I was under the impression that most of todays pocket 380s were locked breech. I may still be a bit confused on what locked breech vs blowback is? The Bodyguard is locked breech, correct?

[JFootin]

The TCP is locked breach.

[Planedude]

I carry my P380 right now exclusively after back surgery. The brace I have to wear precludes wearing anything at the waist. Mine rides in a DeSaintis Nemesis and the spare mag rides in a DeSaintis mag packer. I have the Perice grip extentions on both mags as it helps me shoot and experience shows that it doesn't print any worse in my pockets. I'am 6ft 2in and 300lb and I consider the P380 to be the max pistol I would pocket carry. I love the PM9 but I would only carry it at the waist. It is a bit too much for my pockets, your mileage may vary...
I picked the the P380 as I wanted a gun with sights and the P380 and the Sig P238 were the only players with what I felt were real sights. It was not a cheap choice and the gunshow vendor I purchased from had a Night Sighted Sig P238s for $20 bucks less. I picked up a Kahr as it felt better and was more ergo in my hand. I will note that I could have bought two Ruger LCPs, more ammo and got change back for what I bought my Trijicon sighted Kahr for.
For me it was like buying a motorcycle helmet. Do you have a $40 buck head or a $250 dollar head??
My range report and long time impressions are parts of other threads on this site. I will say this, the few failures I have ever had (most all during break-in 250 rounds) have all been with range ammo. I have never had an issue with my chosen SD ammo (Hornady CD, 90grn.) not one, ever.
So, you what should you buy? Whatever floats your boat. You will pay more for the Kahr than for the Ruger or Taurus (heck buy two of either and have a New York reload...) but for me the Kahr P380 was just right.
Have a good one.

[skiphreak]

I carry my P380 right now exclusively after back surgery. The brace I have to wear precludes wearing anything at the waist. Mine rides in a DeSaintis Nemesis and the spare mag rides in a DeSaintis mag packer. I have the Perice grip extentions on both mags as it helps me shoot and experience shows that it doesn't print any worse in my pockets. I'am 6ft 2in and 300lb and I consider the P380 to be the max pistol I would pocket carry. I love the PM9 but I would only carry it at the waist. It is a bit too much for my pockets, your mileage may vary...
I picked the the P380 as I wanted a gun with sights and the P380 and the Sig P238 were the only players with what I felt were real sights. It was not a cheap choice and the gunshow vendor I purchased from had a Night Sighted Sig P238s for $20 bucks less. I picked up a Kahr as it felt better and was more ergo in my hand. I will note that I could have bought two Ruger LCPs, more ammo and got change back for what I bought my Trijicon sighted Kahr for.
For me it was like buying a motorcycle helmet. Do you have a $40 buck head or a $250 dollar head??
My range report and long time impressions are parts of other threads on this site. I will say this, the few failures I have ever had (most all during break-in 250 rounds) have all been with range ammo. I have never had an issue with my chosen SD ammo (Hornady CD, 90grn.) not one, ever.
So, you what should you buy? Whatever floats your boat. You will pay more for the Kahr than for the Ruger or Taurus (heck buy two of either and have a New York reload...) but for me the Kahr P380 was just right.
Have a good one.

Hell at my 5'7" and 120 lbs a pocket 380 is a lot of gun. J/K but I do want something small and easily concealable.

[nikon]

I just sold my lcp to a friend and ordered the p380. It was a nice gun and never had a failure but the trigger is not as nice as the kahr. I had Hogue grips on it and 13# recoil springs. I have no impressions of the kahr yet as it only arrives tomorrow. my biggest problem with the lcp was the lack of sights. Hoping my p380 has no issues.

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[chuckt]

I have both a CM9 and the Taurus PT738. I pocket carry either one. The .380 is nice for when I am in light shorts or something else where the weight and size difference precludes carrying the CM9. Granted there is not much difference, but there is some. I have had no problems with either other than the Taurus being a very energetic ejector. Pretty good trigger.

[jeepster09]

I got the P380 for times when clothes or place going dictates more hidden, I am very happy with it. I have tried a Sig 238, KelTec P3AT, S&W Bodyguard 380, Ruger 380 and the Kahr wins them all hands down for size and quality [sights etc.]. As the old saying goes "you get what you pay for" it's far cheaper to do it right the first time! TRUST ME I KNOW!!!!:eek:

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[Planedude]

When I bought my P380 I thought, Gee I wish the slide was black and it had XS sights on it.
Six weeks later, Kahr starts putting them out just that way...

...Sigh.

Mine is great like it is, but timming is everything.:blushing:

[jocko]

if urs is great then dont rock thge boat. send the slide in and let kahr put the xs sights on it, I did. as far as the black, well some cusomt finishbers can do it four u but IMO thestinless is OK to. less maintenace. the xs sights though are very nice.

[josp]

I bought one of a forum member here (Serial RAxxxx) and have had only minor teething issues with failing to return to battery and only with cheap range ammo.
Fed red box is 100%, and several hollowpoints are 100% as well.
Sometimes I can push it out of battery when loaded with full mag and one in the chamber, but a nudge fixes that. And my P45 and G37 can do the same if I try.
I have the big dot night sights, CT laser, A grip, and DLC finish, but my chamber is not as nicely jeweled as Jeepsters is.

[balok1701]

" I picked up a Kahr as it felt better and was more ergo in my hand. I will note that I could have bought two Ruger LCPs, more ammo and got change back for what I bought my Trijicon sighted Kahr for.
For me it was like buying a motorcycle helmet. Do you have a $40 buck head or a $250 dollar head??"

If Kahr would just do a cm380 it would be the best of both worlds. That's what I've been waiting for!

[Cole125]

The Kahr P380, when working correctly, is the best .380 on the market.

Recent reports, and my own experience, indicate that the recent P380s Kahr has been shipping do not have as many problems.

When I bought my Kahr P380 I knew I was gambling $600+, hoping I would get a good one. Turns out I did, and I have 350 trouble free rounds through my gun.

[skiphreak]

With all of the FTRTB issues that seem to arise; is it not as simple as just putting in a heavier recoil spring? Or would doing this cause cycling issues and FTE and whatnot? I handled both a P380 and PM9 in our local Cabelas today; the magazines did not want to easily release out of either..had to be pulled out. I was surprised by this.

[pitandkahr]

I am idiot...LOL I couldn't resist a discount on a new Ruger LCP, so I picked one up...But I will say it is a great functioning little .380...I bought it and ran 150 rounds of Blazer Brass through it w/o a single issue...

However, the thing I didn't expect was the kick to be as much as it is...I remember reading people talking about it, but chalked it up to over exaggeration...At 7, 10 and 21, I was able to hit some good groups, but after that many rounds my hand hurts, I hate to admit...I can put 350 rounds through my 9mm's everyday w/o issues...I know the P380 has less recoil but that price tag wasn't able to be done...I'm sure I will get used to the LCP, but it's not a P380 :(:(...But it's another new gun, so I guess I can't complain..LOL Those with P380 enjoy your guns!!!

[jocko]

nothinbg wrong with the lcp, it will go bang when needed. For the money they are the best buy out there, dependable and well built,not pleasantto shoot like the P380 but other than that you hve major bucks still in ur pocket. I owned one andit worked great,I just never carried it, so about 2 weeks or so ago I was able to trade it even up for a blunt nose PM9. I could not pass up that deal.

[pitandkahr]

nothinbg wrong with the lcp, it will go bang when needed. For the money they are the best buy out there, dependable and well built,not pleasantto shoot like the P380 but other than that you hve major bucks still in ur pocket. I owned one andit worked great,I just never carried it, so about 2 weeks or so ago I was able to trade it even up for a blunt nose PM9. I could not pass up that deal.

Yes, it for sure goes bang and so far impressed me how well it pumped out the rounds...I can see it being a nice back-up, back-up :D EDC behind my PM9 and after my MK9 dials in...

[muggsy]

I've never had a problem with chambering a round in either the CM9 or P380 using the sling shot method using the proper technique. I had a few failures to feed early on in the break in period with the P380 when the gun became dirty. Cleaning and lubing cured the problem. I like a more hand filling grip and the Hogue Handall Jr. slip on grip fit the bill. What I like most about the P380 is that it operates exactly like my CM9 and that's a major plus in a high stress situation.

[nikon]

Pick up #13 recoil springs and a Hogue palm swell grip, it makes it much the lcp more enjoyable. Saying that I did sell an lcp with that setup to get the p380 :)

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[pitandkahr]

Pick up #13 recoil springs and a Hogue palm swell grip, it makes it much the lcp more enjoyable. Saying that I did sell an lcp with that setup to get the p380 :)

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Thanks for that advice. Is #13 recoil springs from Wolff?? Waiting for the Hogue to arrive. I have the ParkCity or something like that for now and it helps. I just gotta put more round through that thing to break it in more.


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[DocProton]

The P380 was my first handgun purchase over 1.5 yrs ago. I am very pleased with it. It does not like cheap ammo (but then again, I don't like cheap vodka). Blazer for practice should work fine. Ive always cleaned it well after every trip to the range. I replaced the recoil spring after 700 or so rounds (less than $10). You have to practice with it since, as with most small guns, it doesn't work well if you give it the limp wrist. We are visiting our daughter and son-in-law over the holiday weekend. It is with me in a Remora holster which can work either in my front pocket or IWB. it is not my only gun but it has a place that can't be filled by any of my other guns. I would buy it again of I had it to do over.

[ScottieG59]

I have had a P380 for a while. It definitely has preferences for higher quality ammo. Basically, it does better with hotter 380 loads. I do not trust it nearly as much as I do my Glocks. It has the advantage of being smaller that most handguns.

The slide lock back was a big issue to me, but I find I do not always notice right away when it locks. I have had no problems slingshoting the slide. You just have to be snappy with it.

I carry the +P ammo from Buffalo Bore. It seems to work reliably in tests. It feels stronger than the standard stuff.

The P380 is very accurate for such a little gun.

Little handguns are less forgiving than larger ones. Limp wristing will cause ejection and feed problems. A firm grip is also needed to it reliable.

If I had thought it through better, I would have chosen a PM9 over the P380. I have several 380 and none are my prime carry choices. I go with the P380 when larger means not carrying at all.

If you are set on a 380 ACP, the Kahr P380 would still be a great choice. It handles the hotter ammo. It also hides very well in a pocket holster.

I may rarely carry mine, but it is still a keeper for when nothing else will do.

[ez9]

don't worry about the lil' extra money. kahr 380 is best 380cc pistol going. you get quality, you must have reliability and this will give it to you. I have run 3 months of my reloads thru kahr 380 I have. Buying kahr cm9 in the morning .. I have tried other pistols, you will be happy with kahr. Sounds like you want a carry gun, you can carry cm9 also. I have 380 and 9 Monday after a lot of reading and comparing...and shooting.

[jocko]

try sticking ur glock in ur front pocket: Just sayin

[Garland]

I have had my P380 a couple years now. I have always found it easy to shoot and plenty accurate for me. The first few range outings gave me a bit of a sore on the inside edge of my trigger finger from the trigger guard hitting it on recoil. Now I usually put a preemptive bandaid around my trigger finger before shooting 50 or more rounds.

[nikon]

Thanks for that advice. Is #13 recoil springs from Wolff?? Waiting for the Hogue to arrive. I have the ParkCity or something like that for now and it helps. I just gotta put more round through that thing to break it in more.


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Yes springs are from wolff. The hogue should be specific to the LCP, it gets held in with a frame pin.

[cohoskip]

I sold my LCP w/crimson trace and purchased a PM9 w/crimson trace.
More punch, hardly any difference in size, better trigger, more comfortable to shoot...

[Jeff00042]

Well, I'm taking the plunge again. Just ordered an RC4XXX P380. My first P380, RA02XX, was a nightmare that was never reliable even after 1400 rounds and two trips back to Kahr. The P380 is such a neat little pistol, accurate and fun to shoot. I'm hoping they have the bugs out of it and will post after my first range session. Wish me luck.

[Cokeman]

You'll do fine.

[Cole125]

Well, I'm taking the plunge again. Just ordered an RC4XXX P380. My first P380, RA02XX, was a nightmare that was never reliable even after 1400 rounds and two trips back to Kahr. The P380 is such a neat little pistol, accurate and fun to shoot. I'm hoping they have the bugs out of it and will post after my first range session. Wish me luck.

Good luck. I like the size, looks, and accuracy of my P380 but I do not find it reliable enough to carry. Over 500 rounds and still occasional malfunctions. Its been sitting in the safe until I have enough time to break it in more. :rolleyes:

I bought it to carry but I've been carrying my bigger S&W J frame revolver everyday since I bought it. Just simply don't trust the P380 enough to bet my life on it.

[Jeff00042]

Cole125: What serial number range is yours?

[Cole125]

Cole125: What serial number range is yours?

The first 4 characters in the serial number are RC34. Keep in mind I have not given up on the gun, and do like it but I would like to go 250 trouble free rounds before I carry it.

[Wizzard]

Here’s what I found I was doing with my Kahr 380:

- After working on my 380, I would pull back the slide, check the chamber to ensure it was empty, point in a safe direction, then pull the trigger.
- Then I would insert a magazine with 5 rounds.
- Next, I would put my 380 in a pocket holster and into my pocket (or on a shelf.)

HERE’S THE PROBLEM:
- Pulling the trigger on an empty chamber, LEAVES THE STRIKER PIN EXTENDED.
- So, when I pull out my 380 and used the slingshot method to load the first round, the extended striker pin would sometimes interfere with the first round trying to chamber.

I realized that instead of dropping the striker, I needed my striker cocked (NOT PULLING the TRIGGER.)

So with my striker cocked (now the striker pin is not extended out of the hole) and the chamber empty, I insert my magazine with 5 rounds.

Big difference! Now, when I use the slingshot method to load my first round, it chambers and I shoot up a storm.

Consideration: This means my 380 striker spring will always be under tension because I keep my 380 always cocked. I guess I will have to replace the striker spring at a more frequent interval to keep it to standard strength.

[jocko]

Ur striker spring willnot wear out- period. also when it is cocked, the striker spring is mabye 10-15% precocked, nothing more. There is no wear on that spring..

When u hand rack that slide, trust me that striker is not still sticking out andinterferring witht he feeding operation. I like most here would not recommend carry ur P380 in an unloaded situation. #1, the gun is designed to be carried loaded, it is 100% safe in that mode, . #2 In a SHTF sitatuion the last thang that I would even want to think about is hand rackinng properly any semi auto to get a live round in the chamber. Time is ur life in that situation and racking a round is certainly IMO WASTED TIME. The little kahr P380 for most is not an easy gun to hand rack in the first place. carry it loaded, ur never gonna wear out the striker spring. Buy a half dozen if u feel nervous about it. I have been on this forum since day one and I can't remember anyoine every wearing out a striker spring. Now to say a gun cannot come with a weak striker spring is not what I am saying. That would be product failure, not shooting fatigue.

All guns are diffrerent. but I have the 5# stgriker spring in my PM9 and I have over 32K rounds through it, and never a failure to go bang, never replaced the spring and feel no need to. We have military 45 magaines with original mag springs that have been in many miitary 45's since coming home from the war. THEY WORK FINE.

If u feel the need to carry with no round in the chamber and thnik the striker will interfer. unload the gun, take the magazine out, dry fire it, now pull the slide back about a quarter inch, u have now reset the striker and it is no longer sticking out nor can it. The gun is partially precocked in that 10-15% position. Now if u then insert a loaded magaizine, then merely racking the slide should load a round perfect to. Down side of this is you are one round short in the gun.. My opinion here is that your worrying about something that is a none issue