Considering a MK 9 for off duty carry

[PursuitSs]

A few questions, first of all I had a Rohrbaugh R9S and loved the size & weight, BUT it was not reliable and +P 9mm (and hotter) was a no-no.

Is the MK 9 a "pocket gun"?

Can I feed it Winchester 9mm 127 gn. +P+ (NOT a steady diet)?

Is it 100% reliable?

At this time I'm back to carrying my Glock 26 with the above listed +P+ load. It's 100% reliable, holds 12 rounds (with the older Glock +2 extension) and is WWWWAAAYYYYY too wide!

Thoughts?

[chrish]

Just my 2 cents.

Any Kahr will solve the 'width' issue w/ the Glock. Any Kahr, save maybe the P380, will address the reliability concern after the break-in. Of course, there's a fluke/lemon every so often, but by and large, yes.

Is the MK a pocket gun? Size-wise yes, weight wise no, not in my opinion. Any of the all metal Kahr models are, for my tastes, too heavy for pocket carry. I personally didn't even like pocket carry w/ the polymer equivalent to the MK, the PM9. So I'm back to IWB carry w/ a P9 and love it.

But, many many folks pocket carry the PM/CM series (in 9 and 40). Not so much in any of the poly .45s, any of the P line, or anything metal in the Kahr line.

Just my thoughts. I'm sure some folks pocket carry the MK, but it'd be to heavy to my liking.

Can't answer the +P+ question, I don't shoot or carry +P even, much less +P+ ... those are for real men with tough hands :)

[pitandkahr]

I'm no expert because I'm a new KAHR convert. LOL But I have the PM9 and the MK9 and love them both. I love the MK9 a little more but don't carry her as my EDC yet because I'm still dialing her in. However, the PM9 has been a champ since day 1!!!! The MK9 is noticeably heavier but I'm fine with the added weight. I usually will carry my PM9 in a Galco Ankle Lite or Nemesis Pocket Holster. Can't go wrong with either of the ones I have or even the CM9 too. I hear that's a champion too!!


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[kerby9mm]

I have a mk9 & a mk40 and they are both 100% reliable with all I have put through them to this day. I carry them in a Desantis OWB concealment holster and don't even feel that they are there. The extra weight over polymer is not a cencern for me.

[jlottmc]

In answer to the +P+ part, won't hurt a Kahr. The other folks got the right stuff on the MK, PM/CM parts too.

[Bawanna]

I'd feel comfortable saying no problem on +P, Kahr says that's ok too. +P+ is a no mans land with no set guidelines. I'd not be quite so comfy saying no problem on that stuff.
I'd say if you feel the need for +P+ get a 40.

[PursuitSs]

I'd feel comfortable saying no problem on +P, Kahr says that's ok too. +P+ is a no mans land with no set guidelines. I'd not be quite so comfy saying no problem on that stuff.
I'd say if you feel the need for +P+ get a 40.

I can't stand .40 S&W, I drank the Kool Aide when it was released and started carrying it on duty. As I practiced I noticed my scores went down enough to concern me. Switched back to my Glock 17, presto, my scores returned to normal. I believe it was due to my reaction to the sharp recoil pulse of the .40

I practice with what I carry, on the .40 it was CorBon 135 gn. Über hot loads! I can shoot a Glock 9mm with +P+ way better than I can a .40.

On the Kahr, if I feel it will feed my duty load O.K. I will practice with +P

At the next L.E. demo shoot I go to (this Friday) I will ask the Winchester Rep. for his thoughts on shooting 127 gn +P+ in the MK9 Kahr.

[jocko]

A few questions, first of all I had a Rohrbaugh R9S and loved the size & weight, BUT it was not reliable and +P 9mm (and hotter) was a no-no.

Is the MK 9 a "pocket gun"?

Can I feed it Winchester 9mm 127 gn. +P+ (NOT a steady diet)?

Is it 100% reliable?

At this time I'm back to carrying my Glock 26 with the above listed +P+ load. It's 100% reliable, holds 12 rounds (with the older Glock +2 extension) and is WWWWAAAYYYYY too wide!

Thoughts?

yes u can shoot the +P+ ammo in ur 9mm kahr, kahr says no, I say no also because kahr says NO. We have seen some tests here on +P vs +P+ and we find that some of the +P+ stuff is less than the +P. It is alot of add hype IMO but we also are not sure what is in the+ P+ ammo either. My thoughts have always been if u desire this hot sh!t ammo, then why not just buy the j40 cal kahr and be done with it, They are the same same size and weight as the Kahr model family ur staying within, (damn near ). Why push the envelope with the 9"s when the 40 is telling u to come to me baby!! Never made a6y frokking sense to me, but hell what do I knowj, I shoot my PM9 with corbon power ball and fully know it won't go through some stuff that others might do.

A steady diet also jtells me a person has more money than barins if it is going to be used for range fodder. I have no doubts a loaded magazine for defendse carry will go bang every time and no damage to the gun what so ever.

to me and others, why would kahr or for that matter any gun maker want to say it is OK to shoot +P+ ammo in thier gun when they fully know there is no industry standard rating for that ammo and then add to that, why would u the owner want to test the waters either. to me there is no fokking way a BG will know the difference from a +P round over a +P+ round.

[Bawanna]

I can't stand .40 S&W, I drank the Kool Aide when it was released and started carrying it on duty. As I practiced I noticed my scores went down enough to concern me. Switched back to my Glock 17, presto, my scores returned to normal. I believe it was due to my reaction to the sharp recoil pulse of the .40

I practice with what I carry, on the .40 it was CorBon 135 gn. Über hot loads! I can shoot a Glock 9mm with +P+ way better than I can a .40.

On the Kahr, if I feel it will feed my duty load O.K. I will practice with +P

At the next L.E. demo shoot I go to (this Friday) I will ask the Winchester Rep. for his thoughts on shooting 127 gn +P+ in the MK9 Kahr.

We think alike, I'm not a 40 fan in a small frame gun either. I keep it simple and carry 45 exclusively.
Your MK9 will eat +P. Occasional +P+ I would imagine would be ok too but it's not a sure thing in my book. As Jocko said, I think the +P+ is a lot of hype but I got nothing to back that up with.
I went to the Winchester LE Demo shoot a couple times, I enjoyed it immensely and learned a lot.
Just remember the Rep represents the ammo, not the gun manufacturers.

[PursuitSs]

The last time I discussed the 9mm 127 gn +P+ load with them, they were pretty blunt. If you are going to feed a steady diet of it.....Glock or XD. They stated they weren't comfortable recommending any other pistol to use that load continuously.

[jocko]

that would be very expensive ammo to shoot a "steady diet" of IMO. I just don'tknow of ay shooters aropund my area even state cops who shoot +P ammo for range use. unless it is dept issued. they \just are not gonna pay that kind of money to punch a hole in a paper target.

Must just be my mentality to, but I just don't see any sense in it.

[O'Dell]

I agree with Bawanna on the 45 ACP. Eleven of my sixteen pistols are 45's, but unfortunately, none is a pocket gun. My PM9 and LCP are pocket guns, but I prefer a heavier cartridge. The other three non 45's are 40's, an HK USP 40 [HD weapon], a Kahr MK40 and a CW40. The MK is basically the same size as the PM9 and the MK9, but is too heavy for the pocket. It's a very accurate defense distance gun, but goes on a belt holster.

As to reliability, I've had seven Kahrs in the last five years, and none has failed. I can say the same about my HK's, S&W's, and SIGs, but not the Colts, STI, Kimber, or the long forgotten Keltechs or Tauruses.

[CarlCyrus]

I carry the PM9 in a pocket, but use the MK9 as my nightstand gun (when the Colt Commander in 'condition one' isn't there).

MK9 is too heavy for a pocket but great in a Crossbreed Minituck.

Carl

[Infidel proud]

I tested some federal hydrashock 124 grain +P+ in my kahr cm9 towards the end of the break in period. It did function, was pretty darn accurate, and recoil wasn't too bad. If I were you I would try a few different loads to see what the kahr shoots the best. That was the purpose of my trying the +P+ stuff in mine. My fav carry loads are the cor bon DPX 115 +P, hornady Crit defense 115gr, or the Speer gold dot in either 115 or 124 grain.

[Barth]

I tested some federal hydrashock 124 grain +P+ in my kahr cm9 towards the end of the break in period. It did function, was pretty darn accurate, and recoil wasn't too bad. If I were you I would try a few different loads to see what the kahr shoots the best. That was the purpose of my trying the +P+ stuff in mine. My fav carry loads are the cor bon DPX 115 +P, hornady Crit defense 115gr, or the Speer gold dot in either 115 or 124 grain.

+1 again LOL!
The best SD rounds are all good.
Make a short list and let your gun decide.
Most of my guns tend to favor a specific brand and/or weight of ammo.
That's more important than a ballistic chart performance comparison - IMHO.

[jeepster09]

I love my MK but it is not a pocket gun....too heavy....works great in tuckable IWB. The 40 is awesome after having ported, more wallop then "whimpy 9".:eek:


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[jocko]

I love my MK but it is not a pocket gun....too heavy....works great in tuckable IWB. The 40 is awesome after having ported, more wallop then "whimpy 9".:eek:


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u callin "whimpy" boy???:banplease:

[jeepster09]

Nine owner:


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Forty owner:


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[jreXD9]

YES to all your questions EXCEPT regarding pocket carry....too heavy for COMFORTABLE pocket carry. I traded a PM9 for an MK9 and IMO that's the only negative to the MK9. The shoot-ability of the MK, AGAIN IMO, does not outweigh the benefits of the heavier weight.

Now, as jocks said above....IWB it'd be a piece of cake. Until I learned the ease and comfort of IWB carry @ 1-2 o'clock, I rarely tried it.

[TheTman]

I don't like this +P+ business. There are no specifications as to what qualfies for +P+. Some folks have tested the +p+ against +P and found them slower than the +P. It would help if they'd state the what kind and how many grains of powder they were using on the box, so you'd have some idea of what you are dealing with. My thoughts are if you don't think +P will get the job done, then you need to move up in caliber. And not risk voiding your warranty. I use standard velocity Hydra-shoks in my 9, and feel very comfortable that it will get the job done.

[Barth]

I don't like this +P+ business. There are no specifications as to what qualfies for +P+. Some folks have tested the +p+ against +P and found them slower than the +P. It would help if they'd state the what kind and how many grains of powder they were using on the box, so you'd have some idea of what you are dealing with. My thoughts are if you don't think +P will get the job done, then you need to move up in caliber. And not risk voiding your warranty. I use standard velocity Hydra-shoks in my 9, and feel very comfortable that it will get the job done.

I agree on most points except one.
Winchester Ranger T Series 127 gr +P+ 9mm has not been slower than
any +P I've seen chronographed.
It has matched, or surpassed, Federal HST 124 +P and Speer GDHP 124 +P
in tests I've seen.

Example 1:
win 127+p+
Glock 26 avg. 1258fps
Glock 19 avg. 1264
kahr P9 1262

Gold Dot 124+p
G26 avg 1201 fps

Example 2:
9mm/Kahr PM9 124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P 8” 1075 fps 3.0
9mm/Glock 26 124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P 8” 1180 fps 3.46
9mm/Glock 19 124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P 9” 1227 fps 4.02
9mm/Glock 17 124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P 9” 1252 fps
9mm/CZ75B 6” 124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P 10.5” 1327 fps

Chroned Winchester +P+ 127 T series out of MY Glock 26.
They get 1240 FPS very consitanly.