9mm Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr. +P

[wyntrout]

If anyone is interested, I just found some Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr. +P HP Ammo, at Ammunition To Go:
Ammunition To Go : 20rds - 9mm Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr. +P HP Ammo [23611] - $20.95 (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/cPath/23_61_119/products_id/655)
My order.
6 x 20rds - 9mm Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr. +P HP Ammo (23611) = $125.70
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Sub-Total: $125.70
United Parcel Service (XML) (1 pkg) (UPS Ground, 2010-03-01): $12.06 Shipping Insurance: $0.65
Total: $138.41

They had some really good prices on Remington Golden Sabre:

25rds - 9mm Remington Golden Saber 124gr. +P HP Ammo
[GS9MMD] regular $19.95 $15.95
and
25rds - 9mm Remington Golden Saber 147gr. HP Ammo
[GS9MMC] regular $24.95 $15.95


Ammunition To Go : 25rds - 9mm Remington Golden Saber 124gr. +P HP Ammo [GS9MMD] - $15.95 (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/25rds-9mm-remington-golden-saber-124gr-p-hp-ammo/cName/9mm-hollow-point-ammo)

Wynn:)

[mr surveyor]

thanks for the heads up..... how does the Rem GS 124gr work in the CW? I've always like Golden Sabres in my other carries, but have yet to find the 9mm locally since getting the CW9


surv

[Vinikahr]

Are we getting ready?

Yes, I had been buying from them for the last 3 years.
Good service.

[wyntrout]

thanks for the heads up..... how does the Rem GS 124gr work in the CW? I've always like Golden Sabres in my other carries, but have yet to find the 9mm locally since getting the CW9


surv

I shot a couple of boxes of the 124 grain GS and seemed to have no problems in my PM9 and K9. Those are the longest bullets that will fit in the magazines, I think!
I just wanted something with more oomph and prefer the 124-125 grain +P rounds, especially the "short barrel" version Gold Dots for my 3 to 3 1/2 inch barreled Kahrs.
It looks like Double Tap stopped making the +P 125s I just bought a few weeks ago. I swear that those looked like the GDs that had been pulled. It looked like collet marks on the bullets.
Next time I go to the range, I'll try to compare some of these bullets, as far as "low flash" powder. I forgot the last time.
I was very tempted to get some of those GS +P for $15.95 a box of 25, but I have too many kinds of defense ammo already. I was trying to sell my GS, Fed HS, and CorBon 125 gr +P at the last gun show. I got there too late and didn't get much time walking around with my sign. I did sell my Critical Defense .380 ammo, though. I'm banking on the BB 90 gr "+P" for my "future" P380... going on 11 months.:(
Wynn:)

[mr surveyor]

if the 124 grain Golden Sabres perform well in the PM9, they should certainly be good in the CW9. It may be time to rob the piggy bank:)

surv

[jocko]

I sure would like to see some chron stuff ont eh gd short and standard gold dots. I sometimes wonder if this is more add hype over substance. Proabably some tests floating aorund somewhere on geletain etc and velocity also. I sur elike my standard +P gold dots and my 125 grain corbon +p HP's. the shoot very accurate and feed perfectly. two things that make a good round IMO..

[wyntrout]

I would like to see that kind of comparison, too. That's one reason I want to use +P -- to make up for the shorter barrel. I know that it's possible to use a faster burning powder that doesn't over-pressure in the shorter barrels. With the regular +P loads some of the powder may not get burned or give as much push in a shorter barrel. Usually +P only gives you about 100 fps more and with the shorter barrel that makes it somewhat equal to the regular load in a longer barrel.
It would be nice to see real comparisons in the 3 and 3.5 inch or so barrels that most of our CCW Kahrs have.
From my "research", it seems a good 9mm defense load is bonded JHP at around 125 grains at 1250 fps, but that's obtained in a 4 to 5 inch barrel.
Hopefully, these "short barrel" GD +Ps will do the trick.
Wynn:)

[recoilguy]

I have used the 9mm Remington Golden Saber 124gr. +P HP Ammo in my CW before and have found them to work very well. I have no Chrono info or penetration or expansion info just that they feed well, fired every time, and made a very nice group. I would be interested to see how they compare to some of the others too butwould not hesitate to load my mags with them and put the gun on my side.

RCG

[quikduk]

Interesting...as I stumbled across these tests late last night (when I should have been sleeping...).

Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo (http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm)

Read what "they" have found re: the GS ammo.

YMMV of course

[wyntrout]

Yeah, I've read that before and that is one of the research items that lead me to choose the particular ammo that I did -- Speer 124-grain GD +P, short barrel version, since my PM9 barrel is under 3 1/2 inches and in "uncharted territory". What's the K9, 3.6"?
Anyhow, from this and other reviews/observations and word-of-mouth on this forum, I think that this is the best round for me. I've always preferred the 124 or 125-grain ammo, even for range fodder.
Reliable feed in my pistols and performance are most important characteristics of CCW ammo to me. Price is a consideration, too, but I think that a $1 bullet will suffice and I don't need the $2 per bullet stuff. JMHO
Wynn:D

[Mr. S]

I won't buy defense ammo in 20 or 25 round boxes(unless it is DPX) because it is just too expensive.

Example:
This is not the short barrel but it is 124+p and is 500 rounds for $250 shipped
500 rounds Speer Gold Dot 9MM 124Gr +P NEW : Pistol Ammo at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158789447)

[wyntrout]

I won't buy defense ammo in 20 or 25 round boxes(unless it is DPX) because it is just too expensive.

Example:
This is not the short barrel but it is 124+p and is 500 rounds for $250 shipped
500 rounds Speer Gold Dot 9MM 124Gr +P NEW : Pistol Ammo at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158789447)

I wanted some of the "short barrel" version to try. I usually look for better deals, too. I haven't really tried auctions. The "buy now price" is very good, if that's what you're looking for.
Next gun show I plan to walk around again with my sandwich placard and try to get my money back on my other defense ammo at a buck a round or so. I don't like using that for target fodder to "get rid of it".
Wynn:D

[Vinikahr]

I won't buy defense ammo in 20 or 25 round boxes(unless it is DPX) because it is just too expensive.

Example:
This is not the short barrel but it is 124+p and is 500 rounds for $250 shipped
500 rounds Speer Gold Dot 9MM 124Gr +P NEW : Pistol Ammo at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158789447)

Unless you plan to go to war or something and you are a LEO, I do not see buying all this SD ammo to be cost effective. It is a good deal though, but kind of expensive if you will be using as range ammo. :eek:

[Vinikahr]

These guys have fair deals under the circumstances for range ammo, but too bad that I do not have the need to buy ammo as a such large quantities:

AMMOMAN.COM (http://ammoman.com/index.htm)

As you may see, they have the Gold Dot for $299 a bit higher than the auction at GB. Do not know if is +P. But they have 115 Gr and 147 Gr.

[Mr. S]

Unless you plan to go to war or something and you are a LEO, I do not see buying all this SD ammo to be cost effective. It is a good deal though, but kind of expensive if you will be using as range ammo. :eek:

I like to test my gun with at least 100(preferably 200) rounds of any ammo I would carry to make sure of proper function and accuracy.
Don't you?

As for cost effective the auction I linked to has a price of .50 per round for proven defensive hollow points shipped to you door.
The OP paid over a dollar a round

[wyntrout]

Hey! Who are you calling an OP?!:confused:

I bought 200 rounds of that Double Tap "GD" so I could shoot half to test it and still have enough for a couple of loads for all my 9mm clips. It seems DT doesn't make those anymore, so I need a replacement. These +P GD short barrel loads may be that.
What I can't wait to try is the Buffalo Bore 90-grain +P .380 in the P380, when I get it. Those puppies ought to buck a bit.
Wynn:D

[burns]

Here is a test from a short barrel Rohrbaugh (2.9") with Remington 147 gr. GS, and they did quite well:

9x19mm Remington 147gr Golden Saber JHP (http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/Page2449.htm)

[Vinikahr]

[QUOTE=Mr. S;12305]I like to test my gun with at least 100(preferably 200) rounds of any ammo I would carry to make sure of proper function and accuracy.
Don't you?

Only will do 200 rounds with range ammo in the break in and test out the most 20 rounds SD (for proven defensive hollow points). The equation won't change by shooting so many SD rounds. Gun is a SD gun and shooting it more than 50 rounds after break in period would only add more cost to your cause. I am testing for functionality and reliability and not durability. I will test from time to time as the old ammo gets recycle.


As for cost effective the auction I linked to has a price of .50 per round for proven defensive hollow points shipped to you door. The OP paid over a dollar a round Well, as I have indicated before,when your sell your stuff you take a lost twice because you pay a premium when you buy it and take a lost when sell it at a discount.:eek:

[wyntrout]

When I sold my ammo at a gun show, I was only trying to get back what I paid for it, and my prices are $10 to $20 less a box than the stuff on the tables. Next garage sale, I'll add "Ammo" to the ad and get a bigger crowd. People are looking for deals and I'll probably make money on the ammo as I did with my .380 Critical Defense. I paid under $20 a box shipped to the door when you couldn't find .380 and the dealers were asking $35 to $40 or more a box. I sold One box for $25 and 4 for $85 to a dealer. 9mm defense ammo was going for nearly as much.
Some of the excess 9mm defense stuff I bought before the big "shortage" for $10 to $12 a box for 20 to 25 rounds, but I can't see using it for range fodder as valuable as it is now.
Wynn:)

[Mr. S]

[QUOTE]

Only will do 200 rounds with range ammo in the break in and test out the most 20 rounds SD (for proven defensive hollow points). The equation won't change by shooting so many SD rounds. Gun is a SD gun and shooting it more than 50 rounds after break in period would only add more cost to your cause. I am testing for functionality and reliability and not durability. I will test from time to time as the old ammo gets recycle.

Well, as I have indicated before,when your sell your stuff you take a lost twice because you pay a premium when you buy it and take a lost when sell it at a discount.:eek:

20 rounds is not enough to test functionality and reliability IMHO.
You say "proven defense hollow points" but they aren't proven until you test them in your gun with your magazines.

As far as selling goes If I bought the above Gold Dots I could easily sell them for what I paid (or more if I wanted to).

[500KV]

To me, (proven defencive hollowpoints) are those that the coroner has dug out of some perp. :)

[wyntrout]

To me, (proven defencive hollowpoints) are those that the coroner has dug out of some perp. :)

Those are "used" ones... well-used in many ways!:D
Wynn

[Vinikahr]

[QUOTE=Mr. S;12326][QUOTE=Vinikahr;12319]

20 rounds is not enough to test functionality and reliability IMHO.
Everyone have their own agenda, mine is not spending or wasting more that I do not have or want to.


You say "proven defense hollow points" but they aren't proven until you test them in your gun with your magazines. "As for cost effective the auction I linked to has a price of .50 per round for proven defensive hollow points shipped to you door."
These are your own words not mine. If I shoot one or two magazine and they cycle, I am good to go.


As far as selling goes If I bought the above Gold Dots I could easily sell them for what I paid (or more if I wanted to). I am sure of that. And perhaps you may fall in less than 1% of people that would get their money back or make a profit in the process.:eek:

[jocko]

I like to test my gun with at least 100(preferably 200) rounds of any ammo I would carry to make sure of proper function and accuracy.
Don't you?

As for cost effective the auction I linked to has a price of .50 per round for proven defensive hollow points shipped to you door.
The OP paid over a dollar a round

good to be able to do and also very expensive. Now my question is what if round 199 something happens . does that mean the ammo you tested for 199 rounds is not reliable. ???

any round, at any time can malfunction, just the nature of the beast, any gun at any time can malfunction, just the nature of the beast. I know some shooters state and this is their view to, not mine that if they load a magazine with 7 rounds and all go off, in a gun fight,,, then in there mind that is all they desire to happen..

We should all test defense rounds, that is a given, what constitutes a reliable round for ones gun, I guess is in the eyes of the beholder. I carry in my PM9 one magazne with 7 rounds, no spare. so after 7 shots in a gun fight, I could care less, but those 7 are very very important.

[Mr. S]

Vinikahr

I had a case of 124+p Gold Dots(paid 19.99 per 50 rounds) and sold most of them(and didn't lose any money) because I found I had quicker follow up shots with standard pressure rounds.
I did test them and they were reliable in my P9 and my G17 but I decided to go with standard pressure rounds instead.

[dfloresjr]

Quikduk, thanks for the link to "Best Choices for Self-defense Ammo." My reading tells me that in my 3.6" barrelled CW9, firing the Gold Dot 124+P is a good choice, which is what I have loaded. It's easy to fire, with only slightly more "snap" than Winchester white box 115g. My other thought was that if it's good enough for NYPD, it's good enough for me. Not a bad rationale, especially if it's ever possible you may be answering some lawyer's questions about why you picked that ammo. Massad Ayoob and others have talked about this, and Mas recommends never using handloads as self-defense ammo for this reason.

[CHLChris]

I have found in my PM9 that I can barely tell the difference in recoil from 124 gr. standard pressure in my FMJ range ammo to my +p 124 gr. SD ammo. Since the recoil is pretty similar, I'll go with +p every day of the week. I was thinking the recoil would be worse, so I am pleasantly surprised every time I run through an old box of my +p SD ammo.

[jocko]

I have found in my PM9 that I can barely tell the difference in recoil from 124 gr. standard pressure in my FMJ range ammo to my +p 124 gr. SD ammo. Since the recoil is pretty similar, I'll go with +p every day of the week. I was thinking the recoil would be worse, so I am pleasantly surprised every time I run through an old box of my +p SD ammo.

agree with you on that. +P gold dots and 125 grain +P corbon are very nice out of my PM9, course my PM9 is magna ported and that might have something to do with it to. By the way kahr factory shoots and sights their guns with 124 grain ammo.

Best advice ever given tome was shoot whats works perfect in your gun and what you feel most comfortable with. Certainly ammo is one thing we can all agree that we probably disagee on..