17 year old shoots butane tank with a 380 and is killed by ricochet [Archive]

Scoundrel

06-13-2012, 03:23 PM

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/13/12202632-teen-shoots-gun-at-gas-tank-but-bullet-ricochets-and-kills-him?lite

" Investigators didn't find any reason to suspect foul play and haven't arrested anyone, but are looking into whether the father bears any criminal responsibility. "

Translation: Investigators are trying to figure out the worst possible charge they can slap this guy with, to further screw him over after he just lost his kid to a tragic accident.

Longitude Zero

06-13-2012, 04:17 PM

Stupid SHOULD HURT!!! Darwin Award nominee. I have no sypmathy at all.

Popeye

06-13-2012, 04:26 PM

Young, dumb, and drunk, playing with a gun.:eek: Brings one thought to mind. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

jocko

06-13-2012, 04:44 PM

SCRATCH one illegal!! Just sayin

chrish

06-13-2012, 04:54 PM

+1 on all the above...I'll add my own. Herd has been thinned and in this case, it's a good thing.

They don't mention if the tank was filled, I suppose not, but that would have been funny icing on the cake.

MW surveyor

06-13-2012, 05:02 PM

So many things to say.
But not gonna go there.

gm412

06-13-2012, 05:29 PM

1 down, 50 million to go!!!...I wonder if his last words were "Hey y'all watch this"...

Close but it was "Here, hold my beer and watch this"

These have been the last words of many a fool.

Jriss138

06-13-2012, 05:33 PM

This should answer the question of "is 380 adequate for self defense?" "well yes it is, this one time I heard of one ricochet 380 round doing the trick" I guess you don't need a 45acp after all.

FireMoose

06-13-2012, 05:43 PM

wow, i'm glad when i shot a 20#er (sitting on inflammed wite gas) i used a 7.62.....

muggsy

06-13-2012, 06:11 PM

I'll bet he never does that again.

chrish

06-13-2012, 06:28 PM

This should answer the question of "is 380 adequate for self defense?" "well yes it is, this one time I heard of one ricochet 380 round doing the trick" I guess you don't need a 45acp after all.

Not really. If you need to defend yourself against a butane tank, you might want to consider a .45.

Jriss138

06-13-2012, 08:37 PM

Ah right got your point Haha. Those damn butane tanks are bad news.

Snidely Whiplash

06-13-2012, 11:31 PM

The father is at least partially responsible:

1. the kid was 17, the legal drinking age in Texas is 21 (several charges could be made just for this)

2. the whole family is illegally in the US, they're criminals

3. illegally in possession of a firearm (must be a citizen or legally resident alien to possess a gun);

4. unlawfully discharging a firearm inside the city limits; reckless endangerment of property and persons; probably more).

Of course, it really doesn't matter with what they charge him, with McAllen being only 8 miles from Reynosa, Mexico, the kid's whole family is probably already deep into Mexico. It's highly unlikely that Mexico would extradite him to the US. Besides, the last thing we need here in Texas is one more illegal alien in our prison system.

Too bad about the kid, though. (There probably aren't very many male members of this forum that didn't do a few really stupid things at 17.)

Good riddance to the irresponsible dad and the rest of the family. DON'T COME BACK!

One other thing, the dad, being a Mexican national, is subject to Mexican law even if a crime is committed outside of Mexico. So, the dad is probably subject to prosecution in Mexico, too.

Regardless, he's going to have to live with the death of his son the rest of his life.

Krusty

06-14-2012, 03:08 PM

Better be charged in Mexico, saves us the buck!

cjm2022

06-14-2012, 03:46 PM

we should give all illegals a .380 and a butane tank

Longitude Zero

06-14-2012, 04:03 PM

we should give all illegals a .380 and a butane tank

Hemp rope is cheaper.

HDoc

06-14-2012, 04:47 PM

Close but it was "Here, hold my beer and watch this"

These have been the last words of many a fool.

Nope... it was "Mantener la cerveza"...

jocko

06-14-2012, 05:28 PM

I feel sorry when any parent loses a child, sh!t happens as u well know. Maybe if they would stay where they legally belong, this might not have happened either, or at least we would not have read about it. Probably gonna be hard to charge an illegal with anythinbg, they are aleady in violation of the law. If they are still here, we will more than likely bear the burden and expense of buying the young man and then shipping his parents back across the border,. I don't see how u arizona and bnorder people put up with this illegal sh!t. I living in Indiana ,maybe it ishere to but it ain't nuttin like where u live but here we are in Indiana and u damn well are not gonna vote in this state unless u show a drivers license either .... alot of laws were broken no doubt in this young mans death to,

7shot

06-14-2012, 08:15 PM

What would of been even more sad is if the round would of killed the girlfriend! At least it just killed the dumb bastard that pulled the trigger. Booz and guns don't mix, how many times do we have to say this!

Longitude Zero

06-14-2012, 08:20 PM

Ikeo74

06-14-2012, 08:27 PM

It could not happen as described, therefore it is a lie and fabrication to cover the real shooter. Most likeky the dad.:19:

Longitude Zero

06-14-2012, 08:48 PM

It could not happen as described, therefore it is a lie and fabrication to cover the real shooter. Most likeky the dad.:19:

Please explain??? The published story gives no facts to conclusivley prove or dispove any theory. All any of us here have is opinion and conjecture. The only real fact is that the kid is dead.

Jaguar

06-14-2012, 08:50 PM

Here's hoping no one in the family visits KahrTalk. This seems to be the last civil post on this topic.

Did the rest of you guys take a bunch of meaness pills or something? :eek:

Yeah, it's hot here in Arizona today, but turn up the AC and chill a litle. ;)

I agree. I was saddened to hear about this, and I was more saddened to read the opinions here. I'm new to Kahr Talk and this did not make a good impression. :(

My son's best friend all through school was here illegally through no fault of his own. His family came here legally when he was seven, but never went back to renew their visas so they became illegal. Edwardo is a great guy, a real stand up young man who is working to become a citizen, he can barely even remember living in Mexico. When he graduated high school they threatened to send him back to a home he didn't know but he managed to get a new green card, start the naturalization process, and get into college. If he were to die tragically I hope compassion would be in order, not derision.

I'm not saying this is the same situation, but I doubt everyone knows the facts based on the "news" report.

Snidely Whiplash

06-14-2012, 10:12 PM

Here's hoping no one in the family visits KahrTalk. This seems to be the last civil post on this topic.

Did the rest of you guys take a bunch of meaness pills or something? :eek:

Yeah, it's hot here in Arizona today, but turn up the AC and chill a litle. ;)

TucsonMTB,

My post is #15. Are you saying that it is uncivil, too? I don't understand. Why you would consider it uncivil? :confused:

Please explain.

Thanks.

Snidely W.

Snidely Whiplash

06-14-2012, 10:31 PM

I agree. I was saddened to hear about this, and I was more saddened to read the opinions here. I'm new to Kahr Talk and this did not make a good impression. :(

My son's best friend all through school was here illegally through no fault of his own. His family came here legally when he was seven, but never went back to renew their visas so they became illegal. Edwardo is a great guy, a real stand up young man who is working to become a citizen, he can barely even remember living in Mexico. When he graduated high school they threatened to send him back to a home he didn't know but he managed to get a new green card, start the naturalization process, and get into college. If he were to die tragically I hope compassion would be in order, not derision.

I'm not saying this is the same situation, but I doubt everyone knows the facts based on the "news" report.

Jaguar,

You wrote, "I was saddened to hear about this, and I was more saddened to read the opinions here." and "...I hope compassion would be in order, not derision."

Are you saying that my post (#15) lacks compassion and expresses derision? I don't understand. Why would you think this? :confused:

Please explain.

Thanks.

Snidely W.

PS One of my brothers and his family have lived in McAllen for over 40 years. I am very familiar with the Rio Grande Valley and the many problems caused by illegal aliens. For example, some hospitals have had to close because they are required by the Feds to treat any illegal alien that presents himself, but the Feds will NOT reimburse any of the cost. The net result? EVERYBODY LOSES! The hospital is no longer providing services to anyone.

TucsonMTB

06-14-2012, 11:11 PM

TucsonMTB,

My post is #15. Are you saying that it is uncivil, too? I don't understand. Why you would consider it uncivil? :confused:

Please explain.

Thanks.

Snidely W.
Don't be too upset. Notice I said, "seems to be", recognizing that I did not read most of the posts carefully.

Upon re-reading your post, which I probably skimmed the first time, I can see that you put some thought into your post and were even handed in your review of the circumstances.

Please accept my apology for lumping yours in with the remarkably unkind comments made in some of the other posts.

Next time I will just throw a peanut or do something more consistent with your forum persona . . . http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/icon_lol.gif

Have you ever been to the Rockerville theater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockerville,_South_Dakota) near Custer, SD? As a child this was a must visit during our family trips to the Black Hills. Snidely Whiplash would always come on stage before the performance to explain the rules that required the audience to hiss the villain and throw peanuts at the stage when he appeared. Great fun!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/DoRightCast.JPG

Ikeo74

06-14-2012, 11:42 PM

Please explain??? The published story gives no facts to conclusivley prove or dispove any theory. All any of us here have is opinion and conjecture. The only real fact is that the kid is dead.
1) The father lied about how the kid was shot and changed his story: From story: "Torres' Father initially told the police they heard a gunshot and saw him fall to the ground. After some questioning he told a different story"
2) The family had been in the country illegally for at least several years, Ttrvino said.
3) It is impossible for a bullet to ricochet from the tank straight back to the point where it was shot from. If you don't believe that try to get your gun to do it.

tv_racin_fan

06-15-2012, 01:01 AM

It is not impossible for a ricochet to come back and hit the shooter.

chrish

06-15-2012, 01:16 AM

Well, I kinda arbitrarily +1'ed everything above my initial post. So I'll take my knocks and apologize for being a bit callous in my comments.

While this can come across as a darwin moment, you guys are right, somebody lost a family member and it was somebody's fault. It's sickening to think about. The illegal topic is totally off-topic and irrelevant in this case. This is simply an issue of a gun in the hands of someone who did not respect it...or a gun in the hands of someone totally negligent and incompetent. It's the equivalent of firing a gun into the air on the 4th of July. Just dumb.

I feel terrible for anyone that looses a family member.

At the same time, I somewhat stand by some of my thought process in that IF this person was BOTH the one that fired AND the same one that got hit, then society may be better off not having a complete idiot like that walking around, legal resident or not.

Sorry, maybe that's harsh and callous as well. But had it been acute little kid a block away that took the bullet...what's our opinion then.

wyntrout

06-15-2012, 01:27 AM

The link inside the posted one is a little clearer:

http://www.themonitor.com/news/shooting-61548-south-accidentally.html

Another case of removing the magazine and showing that the pistol is not loaded by pointing it at his head and pulling the trigger. Alcohol really enhances the judgment when handling firearms!:rolleyes:

¡Qué lástima!

Wynn:)

jocko

06-15-2012, 06:11 AM

yes indeed after eading wyns new post of what happened, I retract my initial statement of SCRATCH ONE ILLEGAL. TO NOW" SCRATCH ONE STUPID ILLEGAL."

Jaguar

06-15-2012, 07:36 AM

Jaguar,

You wrote, "I was saddened to hear about this, and I was more saddened to read the opinions here." and "...I hope compassion would be in order, not derision."

Are you saying that my post (#15) lacks compassion and expresses derision? I don't understand. Why would you think this? :confused:

Please explain.

Thanks.

Snidely W.

PS One of my brothers and his family have lived in McAllen for over 40 years. I am very familiar with the Rio Grande Valley and the many problems caused by illegal aliens. For example, some hospitals have had to close because they are required by the Feds to treat any illegal alien that presents himself, but the Feds will NOT reimburse any of the cost. The net result? EVERYBODY LOSES! The hospital is no longer providing services to anyone.

My comment wasn't aimed at you directly, Snidely, it was an overall opinion of this thread. Some comments were well thought out, others were not.

It’s the truly callous that stick out. :rolleyes:

Planedude

06-15-2012, 08:08 AM

It is sad to hear of any young life being taken via stupid firearms handling. I do feel for the family even if the fault for situation is in their lap. I have prayed for their loss.

The worst part for us is the statistic this represents for the Sara Bradys and like of the world.
Kid (under 21, so they'll say child), firearm death and of course the "child firearm death near the Mexico border" statistic... helps the governments fast and furious claims.:rolleyes:

"All in all its just another brick in the wall..."

Longitude Zero

06-15-2012, 10:07 AM

3) It is impossible for a bullet to ricochet from the tank straight back to the point where it was shot from. If you don't believe that try to get your gun to do it.

From the exact point from which it exited the muzzle then yes you are kinda correct but highly misleading. Have you never seen the video on the net about the 50 cal shooter who has the round bounce back and take his hat off? Probably not or you would not have posted this.

Longitude Zero

06-15-2012, 10:10 AM

yes indeed after eading wyns new post of what happened, I retract my initial statement of SCRATCH ONE ILLEGAL. TO NOW" SCRATCH ONE STUPID ILLEGAL."

I am with you jocko. HAHAHA

jocko

06-15-2012, 10:55 AM

My comment wasn't aimed at you directly, Snidely, it was an overall opinion of this thread. Some comments were well thought out, others were not.

It’s the truly callous that stick out. :rolleyes:

likely the
callouos" part could have been directed to ol jocko's comment, who personaly could give a fokk to. Just sayin.

Snidely Whiplash

06-15-2012, 11:07 AM

Thanks, Jaguar. I thought that was probably the case, but wanted to make sure.

Snidely

getsome

06-15-2012, 11:19 AM

I removed my previous posts and apologize to anyone who found my remarks offensive...Even though he was an illegal he was still the man's son and my condolences go out to his family...

I can think of no greater pain in this life than to lose a son or daughter...

Snidely Whiplash

06-15-2012, 11:25 AM

Thanks, TucsonMTB. No apology is necessary - even if it were, being a Bullwinkle and Rocky fan would make it irrelevant.

The 'peanuts' line was great, but not as great as the picture. The only one missing is Nell's father, Inspector Fenwick. All I can say about said picture is, "Curses, foiled again!"

It's always enjoyable to make contact with another Bullwinkle and Rocky fan. Unfortunately, I never made it to Custer, ND, but I'm sorry I didn't. However, as a young kid, I always wanted to move to Frostbite Falls, MN. I also wanted to attend Wossamotta U, Bullwinkle's alma mater, where he was a football star. Alas, I had to "settle" for the University of Texas at Austin.

Snidely

PS If you go to Canada, don't mention that you're a Bullwinkle and Rocky fan - and under no circumstances mention Dudley Doright - they didn't appreciate it! In fact, they refused to show it.

PPS I'm pretty sure that Dudley would have carried a Kahr had they been made at that time.