Is Waterboarding Torture? -- A Video

[wyntrout]

A journalist voluntarily tries to undergo waterboarding for 15 seconds.:rolleyes:

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Informative. :75:

Wynn:D

[Longitude Zero]

Gotta love it. And no I do not believe waterboarding is torture. Uncomfortable yes, but torture is a load of crap.

[getsome]

Torture is being on the upper floors of The World Trade Center 9/11/2001 and having your skin blister off from the heat and choking on smoke until you cough up parts of your lungs and knowing the only way to stop the agony is to jump and end everything without saying good bye to your loved ones....That was the choice given to those poor souls that day....THAT folks is torture!!!!....Kinda puts waterboarding into perspective doesn't it......

[jocko]

just gotta disagree, it can and will kill you if done long enough, so to me that falls under torture. Question is?? When is long ENOUGH to. This fella though he was gonna explode with less than 5 secnds of water treatment/torture.

Sure If I knew it was going to be 5 seconds, it would not be torture, per say but who decides if the line is crossed???THE WATERBOARDEE when he drowns..

Just not sure one has to bleed to fit the definition of torture..

can't disagree with "getsoes" analogy either but it all depends to if who is on the receiving end also.

[N.D.]

Torture is being on the upper floors of The World Trade Center 9/11/2001 and having your skin blister off from the heat and choking on smoke until you cough up parts of your lungs and knowing the only way to stop the agony is to jump and end everything without saying good bye to your loved ones....That was the choice given to those poor souls that day....THAT folks is torture!!!!....Kinda puts waterboarding into perspective doesn't it......

Yep!

N.D.

[swampman]

just gotta disagree, it can and will kill you if done long enough, so to me that falls under torture. Question is?? When is long ENOUGH to. This fella though he was gonna explode with less than 5 secnds of water treatment/torture.

Sure If I knew it was going to be 5 seconds, it would not be torture, per say but who decides if the line is crossed???THE WATERBOARDEE when he drowns..

Just not sure one has to bleed to fit the definition of torture..

can't disagree with "getsoes" analogy either but it all depends to if who is on the receiving end also.
I have read and seen in the news and documenteries that you cannot drown from waterboarding,but it may cause a person to have a heart attack or stroke if you are prone to those things. :D

[jocko]

I would think anytime water can run up ones nose that would be possably inducive to drowning. which comes first the heart attack or the drowning---does it make any differene to the waterboardee??? We waterbooard that one gitmo guy over 300 times in less than 30 days and he never drowned so u may be right, so there fore it is not torture then huh???

I have to agree with John McCain on this one, He says it is torture. What he went through all those years inside the HILTON to me is certanly torture also. guess everyone can have their own definition of what torture is.

[swampman]

I would think anytime water can run up ones nose that would be possably inducive to drowning. which comes first the heart attack or the drowning---does it make any differene to the waterboardee??? We waterbooard that one gitmo guy over 300 times in less than 30 days and he never drowned so u may be right, so there fore it is not torture then huh???

I have to agree with John McCain on this one, He says it is torture. What he went through all those years inside the HILTON to me is certanly torture also. guess everyone can have their own definition of what torture is.
to me this is one of those instances where do unto others as they would do to you,as in Daniel pearl. :(

[N.D.]

just gotta disagree, it can and will kill you if done long enough, so to me that falls under torture. Question is?? When is long ENOUGH to. This fella though he was gonna explode with less than 5 secnds of water treatment/torture.

Sure If I knew it was going to be 5 seconds, it would not be torture, per say but who decides if the line is crossed???THE WATERBOARDEE when he drowns..

Just not sure one has to bleed to fit the definition of torture..

can't disagree with "getsoes" analogy either but it all depends to if who is on the receiving end also.

Your right! perception always changes ones opinions.

IE; For instance . .
If it was a bloody handed murdering terrorist who knew of the location of other murdering terrorists IE; Osama Been Rotten, or of some terrorist cell death plots, well then IMHO I wouldn't care if it was called torture or not!

Being a Warrior is not a pretty, clean Nor a PC job; waging war, waging war is ugly, brutal, and inhumane to the enemy it always has been and it always will be whether we like it or not, also if it was just good clean fun W/ fair, Humane rules, then who would ever want to stop?

Non combatants:
Sadly when dis honorable people start a fight then, hide amongst the population, (IE; terrorists) wearing no uniform that would declare them to be a member of enemy forces, so that they can avoid direct confrontation like cowards, then there will always be more collateral damage done to innocent noncombatants, in the process of destroying the terrorist enemy threat.

This is not a good thing and is to be avoided as much as possible, but you can't always choose who, how, and why War (Jihad?) will be declared upon you.

War is best left to those who can stomach the ugliest, most evil acts that man can possibly wallow in, and won't hesitate to wade in enemy blood, or to give their very lives in the line of Duty; out of love for peace; those that can do this are called "Warriors", what other would do a better job at keeping the enemy from our door?

(where's The American Flag waving smiley when you need one) :ohmy:

Respectfully N.D.

[Geohans]

What forms of real torture do journalists volunteer to undergo? what forms of real torture are foisted upon thousands of US troops every year? What forms of torture are administered only by people who have voluntarily undergone the same technique multiple times?

You don't HAVE to agree with John McCain. You can respect his opinion, and leave it at that. Read that new book "Courting Disaster" if you are still unclear on any of this. Unfortunately, you can read in great detail how we did it, and how it was clearly not torture-- it made the prisoner believe he was suffering harm, even though in fact he was not. I say unfortunately, because this tool has now been removed from our arsenal.

Waterboarding and other primarily psychological techniques, certainly saved American lives. Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? What number of dead Americans would be acceptable to you, in order for us to be able to say we don't do it?

And who drowned in US captivity from waterboarding, exactly?

[swampman]

Your right! perception always changes ones opinions.

IE; For instance . .
If it was a bloody handed murdering terrorist who knew of the location of other murdering terrorists IE; Osama Been Rotten, or of some terrorist cell death plots, well then IMHO I wouldn't care if it was called torture or not!

Being a Warrior is not a pretty, clean Nor a PC job; waging war, waging war is ugly, brutal, and inhumane to the enemy it always has been and it always will be whether we like it or not, also if it was just good clean fun W/ fair, Humane rules, then who would ever want to stop?

Non combatants:
Sadly when dis honorable people start a fight then, hide amongst the population, (IE; terrorists) wearing no uniform that would declare them to be a member of enemy forces, so that they can avoid direct confrontation like cowards, then there will always be more collateral damage done to innocent noncombatants, in the process of destroying the terrorist enemy threat.

This is not a good thing and is to be avoided as much as possible, but you can't always choose who, how, and why War (Jihad?) will be declared upon you.

War is best left to those who can stomach the ugliest, most evil acts that man can possibly wallow in, and won't hesitate to wade in enemy blood, or to give their very lives in the line of Duty; out of love for peace; those that can do this are called "Warriors", what other would do a better job at keeping the enemy from our door?

(where's The American Flag waving smiley when you need one) :ohmy:

Respectfully N.D.
+1 N.D. what is it that clint smith says about being in a fair fight .:confused:

[ripley16]

We do it to many of our warriors as part of their training.

Waterboarding is very disagreeable, but doesn't amount to torture in the same way most people, including the ones in other countries that practice it, would define torture .

Torture is, IMHO, permanently altering a persons body. I have no problem with that either provided the stakes are high, that is; lives are in imminent danger.

9/11 got my blood lust up, and that feeling has not left me.

[Southern Guy]

I don't really care. I am all for torturing TERRORISTS to save American lives, They are the bad guys, and they lost their rights when they decided it would be a good idea to kill us. If torturing a terrorist will save an American life then so be it, it was his choice.

[Longitude Zero]

It is only torture if the waterboardee dies. If he/she survives then it is obviously not torture. IMHO McCain is a RINO. He is not nearly conservative enough for me. I classify him as a moderate at best. IMHO.