CM 9 shoots low

[bmbroker]

My new CM 9 shoots low at about 30 feet. At 15 feet I can stay in the color. I don't have this problem with my other pistols and revolvers. The CM 9 is the smallest handgun I have. Is this a common thing for CM 9 shooters?

[JFootin]

Are they going low and to the left? Are the ones at 15 feet going low and to the left, but not as far?

[bmbroker]

At 15 feet they are a little low and left, but I can keep it within the 4 inch bullseye. I did a forum search and found out its probably me. However, I have a sigma 9 with a long trigger pull and don't have a problem with it. I'm guessing that I just need to get some more practice with it and really concentrate on holding steady just before it goes boom.

That said, it really is a nice little piece.

[yqtszhj]

At 15 feet they are a little low and left, but I can keep it within the 4 inch bullseye. I did a forum search and found out its probably me. However, I have a sigma 9 with a long trigger pull and don't have a problem with it. I'm guessing that I just need to get some more practice with it and really concentrate on holding steady just before it goes boom.

That said, it really is a nice little piece.

Yep, just what you said. A little more practice and you'll be used to the long trigger. I still hit low sometimes but most of the time I control it reasonably well.

[jocko]

it is mor ethan likely you, do';t compare what ur doing with another brand gun . not fair to either. sights could be differe3nt, grip feel different. alittle low and left tellsme ur probablyt a right hand shooter to. Kahrs are not the easiest to shot great. It takes times. u have a very loooooong buyt soooooo smooth trigger system in a kahr, that is there by design. u will get used to it, but IMO if u expect to hit beer cans at 25 yards with ur little kahr, I think ur dreamin. It is what it is a ,,,gun with no safety other than a smooth but looong trigger system. short barrel, small ass 9mm.

a good way to check urself out to is to buy a half dozen snap caps and throw them in with 30 rounds and let someone load ur mags for u so u don't know if you haave any snap caps in the magazine. Trust me, this will show big time what is goling on.

Dry firing is good practice but nothing replaces the bang thing and for most shooters they are anticipating the BANG thing and don't know they are flinching or jerking or what ever. Unknown snap caps shows that big time and also snaqp caps in with ur magazine also gives u the chance to priactice your , TAP, RACK AND BANG DRILLS

I ca tellu one thing we get far far more reports of low and lefts than ever high and left or right. One does not jerk upwards,if u get my point...IMO ur ok, u might also be expecting to much to . You and the gun need to mate up and more rounds willhelp that alot. Try point of aim method, seeing clearly the front sight, the rest will fall in place, screw those bulleyes to, practice with a silhouette target, if u can keep um all in the silhouette target, the BGT is in deep ****. That is what u bought the gun for .
WhenI wantto TRY to hit beer cans at 25 yards I grab my G19 which is tuned and has great adjustable sights on it. When I want protection whenever I leave my home I grab my PM9 and in the pocket it goes.

[bmbroker]

Thanks for the advice and responses. Looks like I'll need to spend some more time with the CM9 at the range. Just got back from picking up another one for my brother to break in for him.

[bonjorno2]

I did the same thing until i warmed up to long trigger pull..... don't worry about it when I go to the range I still have to remember to adjust from a glock trigger... It will warm up to you and no doubt once you get used to it you will shoot it better than you can imagine!

[Deano]

When I first got my CM9 I shot low left. Just to check it out, I propped it on some sand bags and shot a couple rounds. Dead on bulls eye. Taught me immediately that the gun's sights were very accurate, and I was doing something wrong. More left hand and a slow steady squeeze will help. When you squeeze slowly you won't really know the exact moment the gun will go off, so you're less likely to jerk or flinch.

[JFootin]

Thanks for the advice and responses. Looks like I'll need to spend some more time with the CM9 at the range. Just got back from picking up another one for my brother to break in for him.

Now, you've got the plan! :D Your trigger control and aim will improve and, another thing that you will discover is how the gun smooths out into such an incredibly sweet shooter with a few hundred rounds throught it—like it becomes a different gun, like a high priced tuned custom!

Welcome to the forum, and to the CM9 Owners Club! These guns are so sweet and a bargain to boot that it gives you an ear to ear grin you can't wipe off your face, so this is the club symbol -
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Smilies/BigSmily.jpg

[jocko]

butt ugly club symbol. Just sayin but thge new style cm9 is butt ugly to. They never consulted me!!!!! Just sayijn I wold have blunted the nose of the slide for sure.

[Bill K]

Can I assume you got the CM9 for SD? You may know way more than I do but at the risk of making an ass of myself...

After you've got the Kahr trigger mastered see how your CM9 point shoots for you. I believe out to perhaps 5 yards, should you have to use your gun, if you notice your gun at all (much less a sight picture) it'll be in your peripheral vision. I believe in the argument many make that you train to fight more than you train to shoot.

[jocko]

well said. point shooting for me is fast and very accurate. I serioulsy doubt in a SHTF scenario that one is gonna be looking for the sights. At best see the front sight and point and shoot, u will surprise urself.

[JFootin]

I agree. It's hand/eye coordination. Like learning to play tennis. Your eyes tell your hand where you want that ball to go. If you practice point shooting at SD distances, I believe you can shoot more accurately than if you were trying to line up your sights while possibly ducking or moving. Once you have mastered the point shooting skill, you have a skill that will serve you well when the s.h.t.f.

BTW, Jocko, you were mistakenly looking in the mirror when you made that butt-ugly comment. :behindsofa:

[97harley]

I"m new to this sport, just got my cc in Connecticut in May, since then have purchased a glock 19, buckmark 22lr and a Kahr PM9 for cc. At 75 feet, I can keep 10 rounds within 4 inches of target with the 22, same with the glock up to 50 feet. At 25 feet with the Kahr I'm consistantly low, very outer bottom of target if not hitting cardboard. I've also had the feed issue with the 7rd mag, no problems with the 6rd mag. I've ran about 350 rounds through it so far. I"m going to read up on the mag mod and have an expert shoot the bugger and see if it's just me or it's actually off that much.

[97harley]

btw, this gun hobby is like a crack habit, I"m on the 3rd handgun in 6 weeks :D

[CJB]

This gets me thinking a bit....

Lets assume that the pistol at least semi-consistent in its lock up, assuring groups that are consistent small (less shooter variance)

I don't have my PM9 handy, but lets say the sight radius is 5.5 inches. How far off in the gun, would things have to be in order effect the point of aim "X" amount at 15 yards.

Doing the math....15 yards is 45 feet, or 540 inches. The math is a direct proportion of sight radius to target distance from the front sight. To be off by one inch we'd have a 5.5:540 ratio. Or put another way, about .010" inches off in the sights one way or another, or considered another way, since the barrel is shorter than the sight radius, about .0065" inches off in the fit of the barrel to the slide (which has the sights attached).

Thats for one measly little inch at 45 feet, which I can't hardly SEE, let alone hold in a remotely repeatable manner (except maybe if there was bourbon involved, but I don't drink n shoot).

Do the math for real world amount off... say six inches low at 15 yards. Multiply it all by 6. Your sights would be off by .06 inches, and the barrel fit may be off by .04 inches or so.

Guess what? Your barrel is NOT off by .040".... no way, no how, don't even think about it.

How about the sights being off by .060"? Thats damn near 1/16 inch. Thats a lot! A whole lot. Like... you'd see it obviously a lot.

Just pointing out the factoids......

[97harley]

LOL, I hate it when you guys start getting out the slide rule....:confused:

[flieger67]

One thing that may help to acquaint you with the long trigger pull is to put your concentration on the front sight itself. Don't think about pulling the trigger - just keep pressing it back with your concentration on the front sight. As the human eye can't focus on two, let alone three, different distances at the same time, you have to decide if you want to focus on the rear sight, the front sight or the target itself. So once you have lined up on the target, focus on the front sight and let the target be blurry while you press the trigger.

It may sound a bit involved but that front sight focusing really helped me get comfortable with the long travel on the CM9's trigger. The CM9 is capable of very good accuracy once you make peace with the trigger travel. And indeed, that smoothness in the pull is very useful in maintaining a steady front sight picture. Shoot a Beretta BU-9 side-by-side with a CM9 and you'll immediately have an appreciation for the Kahr.

[jocko]

the front sight is always uyr friend, remember that. snap caps will show ur shoolting ways real fast when mixed in with live rounds.. Just sayin

Think about this low thing another way. Other than allur shots going directly into the center of the bulleye, ur either gonna be low, high, left or right, so WTF, at least u have eliminated 3 of the 4 shooting errors.:behindsofa:

[97harley]

I have adjusted they way I use the trigger. I guess you would call it pre tensioning the trigger. It's just funny how good I shot my Glock and buckmark compared the the Kahr. The glock dosen't have the best trigger on it either but manage with it just fine. It's just gonna take some time at the range, I joined a local range for $350 for the year with unlimited visits so I guess I'll have plenty of time to practice.:D

[jocko]

ur glock is a fine gun but it doesnt have the 3/8" trigger travel u kahr has, that is where the accuracy difference is. It will come to u in time but kahrs are not target guns "per say". The gun can shoot um in the same hole,just that most shooters cannot.

[bmbroker]

I'm getting more used to the trigger and working on a steady, faster pull and it has really helped. I'm on my second cm9, since my brother decided he had to have my first. I'm really impressed with these little pistols as I've broken in two of them now and never had a hiccup with either and fed them some crap ammo and pushed the round count before cleaning. Tough and well made.

[bmbroker]

Oh, I forgot. Where's the best pricing on additional mags?

[Markis82]

Oh, I forgot. Where's the best pricing on additional mags?Ivanhoe Outlet (http://www.ivanhoeoutlet.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=43)

[97harley]

Well, went to the range again Sat and put another 100 rounds though it and I'm happy to say with being very mindfull of my trigger pull at 25 feet I"m getting much better, at least I"m staying on target and at 15 feet I"m feeling really good. I guess since it's a carry weapon that's all I can ask for at this point. I hardly ever leave the house without it. In the winter months I'll more than likely carry my glock 19 when I wear a jacket or sweatshirt but for warm weather carry, it fits perfectly in a pocket holster and is very comfy to carry.

[jocko]

and u will get better with time and rounds down range. Kahrs loooooong trigger just takes sme time and diswcipline. Ur OK, we have allbeen there done that and for people like me I am still there trying even.

[jocko]

Well, went to the range again Sat and put another 100 rounds though it and I'm happy to say with being very mindfull of my trigger pull at 25 feet I"m getting much better, at least I"m staying on target and at 15 feet I"m feeling really good. I guess since it's a carry weapon that's all I can ask for at this point. I hardly ever leave the house without it. In the winter months I'll more than likely carry my glock 19 when I wear a jacket or sweatshirt but for warm weather carry, it fits perfectly in a pocket holster and is very comfy to carry.

owned a 96 FLSTN nostalgia sofetail and a 98 RK 95th anniversary model, both served me very well. Road the RK on an iron butt ride down to florida 1160 miles in 18.5 hours. PUlled off of HWY 75 in Live oak Florida and was so tired that I forgot to put my foot down at the stop light and fell off the fokking bike. I think my 98 RK had at least 5# of love bugs all over the front of it, along with my jeans. what a fokking mess. Damn live is good though. Just sayin

[Tinman507]

http://www.touringbikers.com/images/bugs-in-teeth.jpg

[jocko]

uyr ok TINMAN. I think???? Just sayin

[97harley]

owned a 96 FLSTN nostalgia sofetail and a 98 RK 95th anniversary model, both served me very well. Road the RK on an iron butt ride down to florida 1160 miles in 18.5 hours. PUlled off of HWY 75 in Live oak Florida and was so tired that I forgot to put my foot down at the stop light and fell off the fokking bike. I think my 98 RK had at least 5# of love bugs all over the front of it, along with my jeans. what a fokking mess. Damn live is good though. Just sayin

My 97 FLHTCUI has 125,000 on it. I once did 7200 miles in two weeks. The most in one day was 1100 miles on that trip. Knock on wood, I've never dropped a street bike even cleaning it in well over 250K of riding. I hope I just didn't jinx myself now :eek:

[CJB]

1986 XLH "deluxe" had 93,000 on it when I sold it.
Not bad for a Sporty!

The newer Sporty from 94 has 25,000 on it... although I did have to correct some neglect by its first owner (leaking from lack of use, and eroded - not burnt - exhaust valves from dryrot valve stem seals). Still goin' strong, rode nearly 200 miles on it two weeks ago.

'04 FXDWGi, no issues except regular maintenance - 48,000 on it.