GunsAmerica Writer Trashes Kahrs

[JFootin]

I read a GunsAmerica article glowing about the new XDs, talking like there's never been anything like it in that size and weight. I replied, pointing out that Kahr is already well established with 3 models in 45 acp in that size range. His response sounds more like it came from a troll than from a responsible gun author and reviewer. :mad:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-45acp-micro-pistol-new-gun-review/

[chrish]

The guy is just a tool, most professional bloggers and writers are...regardless of industry. Your points are on the money, as were the guy Bob as well regarding Kahr.

Maybe I should go post as to why anyone should care about a 21.5oz .45 when there are much better choices in 9mm out there.

He seems to be up in a wad over recoil mgmt too. I guarantee a Kahr 45 is more comfortable to shoot that anything with that awful checker pattern they create in Croatia.

[AJBert]

Just find out who is paying him and you'll know why his "blog" is the way it is.

[tarheelcm9]

While anybody with ANY sense at all will test the reliability of every gun before carrying it, I find it kind of ridiculous with some of the roughness issues my Kahr had out of the box Seems like they should do a little more quality control to make sure everything runs smooth. The fact that I have to polish the trigger bar on a $400 gun to achieve a smooth trigger pull kind of pisses me off.

[TucsonMTB]

While anybody with ANY sense at all will test the reliability of every gun before carrying it, I find it kind of ridiculous with some of the roughness issues my Kahr had out of the box Seems like they should do a little more quality control to make sure everything runs smooth. The fact that I have to polish the trigger bar on a $400 gun to achieve a smooth trigger pull kind of pisses me off.
Have to spoken with Kahr? They might be more than willing to resolve the issue for you. I can't make any promises for them, but am sometimes surprised at what they are happy to do for their customers.

[TheTman]

It wouldn't bother me to see Kahr strive for a 100% reliable gun out of the box. I'm still going to run a few hundred rounds through it before it goes with me anywhere.
The Kahrs are also to me a lot nicer looking.

I'm not sure I'd put stock into someone's ramblings who let their "S&W Airweight rust to the point of embarassment."

He carried an AMT and a Para for years and they both broke. (Someone get that man a can of Remoil.) Yet the Springfield will last a lifetime... He's psychic too. If you carry any gun for years and don't maintain it it will most likely break.
To be honest, it doesn't look like a bad little pistol. I wouldn't mind owning one, but for almost twice the cost of a CW45, I believe I will just stick with whats been good to me. I also prefer guns made in America, but you can't always find one is what you want. I imagine it will be a big seller. People do like Springfield Armory poducts.

[Longitude Zero]

He is like EVERY OTHER gunwriter, hack. He won't denigrate the weapon he is paid to support. Kinda reminds me of the trollop at Gunblast. He too never wrote a bad report about a weapon. He even thought the POS DB9 was worthwhile. That told me all I needed to know about him.

[dkmatthews]

It isn't the article that offends me (even though the author inaccurately describes the XDS as a game changer, leap frogging the competition) as much as how "Administrator" bashes Kahr when people point out that Kahr has had a smaller .45 longer than Springfield. I guess I'll be opting out of their newsletters, now.

[Popeye]

I agree that XD's are good pistols. You could say that about a lot of the pistols out there in todays market. Important thing to remember is know matter who this guy writes for it's still no more than one mans opinion.

Take it all with a grain of salt my friends.

[chrish]

I agree w/ dkmatthews, it's not the article, it's the comments that follows from the admin. Which I assume is the writer, but actually, not necessarily. The admin could just be another Kahr (or just non-XD) hater that had a bad experience.

But I still maintain that while XD/XDm guns are fine weapons, have proved their quality and reliability time and again, are not by any means perfect or superior to other firearms out there (Kahr included). To each his own, if it's reliable, you shoot it well, good for you. I find XDs uncomfortable (grip), too high bore axis with too much muzzle flip for a gun that weighs what they do (although the model in question from the article seems to be better in that regard, but that's subjective). Just my experience from the couple that I shot years back. Not bashing, just my opinion. If I were given my choice of a carry pistol, I think the XD line would be low on my list with M&P or Glock outranking it...assuming I would ever consider a 'normal' striker fired pistol (vs a Kahr or revolver) in the first place.

[Harleyrider]

It wouldn't bother me to see Kahr strive for a 100% reliable gun out of the box...
My CM9 was 100% reliable right out of the box, and I don't think that any manufactured product will ever be 100% reliable as to every single sample produced. JMO, YMMV.

[dkmatthews]

I have a few Kahrs but only one that I bought new. The ones I bought used have all performed flawlessly, as they should.

The one I bought new is a T40 and it, too, performed flawlessly. I don't really understand when, how, why or who started the "break-in" mantra for Kahr pistols, but I have treated mine the way I treat all my guns: 1) I clean the heck out of them, 2) I lube/grease them as appropriate in the locations of wear, 3) I shoot 'em like I stole 'em, and 4) I start over at #1. If I have a problem, I start by assuming it was operator error until it happens again. "One time is an occurrence, two times is a coincidence, and three times is a trend."

[Barth]

Anyone getting paid to write about a product is likely to produce a questionable review.
I really like gun forums.
As people with no conflict of interest share real experiences with the guns, ammo and accessories.

As for Kahrs I only have the one MK40 Elite.
It took an extended break in to get reliable.
But past the break in it's been flawless with all HP ammo for over 1000+ rounds.
The fit, finish and overall quality is outstanding.
And the gun is remarkably accurate for a 3.0" barrel auto.

I'm very please with it.
It will remain in my collection indefinitely.

As interested as I am in the XDs.
For me, the role of a micro in a service caliber has already been filled.

[TheTman]

I'm riunning 50/50 on Kahrs running well out of the box. My CW40 runs well. My CW45 had to go back to Kahr a couple times. I'd still rather have my CW45 than that XDS.

And I still don't put any stock in someone that lets a gun rust to the point of embarassment. That's neglect of the highest degree, and he wants to pass himself off as a gun writer? Then I'm the queen of England, shall we have some tea?

[yqtszhj]

Here are some thoughts on Kahr, positive and otherwise:

1. They are made in America. Can all others claim that?
2. They are small and light, especially in 9mm. Which others can compete with that?
3. My two kahr 9mm's were 100% from day one.
4. My .45 had a trigger reset issue but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that one because it only occurred when hot. I've done my 200 rounds and let's see how the CW45 goes from there. so far not too disappointed.
5. Kahr guns are compact and after working on mine I see tolerances are very tight so I will cut kahr a little slack because of that.
6. I agree with tarheel on the trigger roughness and quality control as my CW45 had it. there may be a reason but I'm not making an excuse for them. see next item.
7. A thought to myself here. As far as QC goes when production goes up sometimes quality suffers. That's no excuse, just a statement. We may be our own worst enemy there since firearm sales are up because of state of the country and world from what I read. In order to provide us what we demand factories are getting them out as fast as they can.
8. Kahr will fix their guns. They give a 5 year warranty and will fix what is wrong and likely send you a shipping label. Not too bad there.

Oh, did I mention that they are made in America?:rolleyes:

I know someone that just bought a $45,000 GM vehicle and after a couple of months the power seat went out so they are having to get a whole new seat. I guess expensive stuff breaks too.

I can't hate buying stuff that doesn't work but if I can get it fixed and it doesn't cost me anything I feel a little better anyway.

So far I'll keep all my Kahrs. I can't find anything that can beat them for what they are.

Just my thoughts.

[O'Dell]

I'm sure that XD's are fine guns, but the compact XD45 I had never did anything to impress me. I only had the one, and when it was stolen, I never bothered to replace it as I did with the other stolen pistols. By contrast, I have had seven Kahrs, so for me, Kahr must be doing something right.

[Bawanna]

Is that yet another new Vette in the avatar. You need a garage addition?

[RedRyder]

I've got an XD 40 Sub compact and the recoil of that gun compared to two other .40 cals I've got is terrible. My Glock 27 and my Sig P229 are both very low recoil but the XD is so snappy, my wife won't shoot it but loves the Glock. I really wonder if they've done something different with their new line to make it more recoil friendly???

[Longitude Zero]

Anyone getting paid to write about a product is likely to produce a questionable review.

I agree completely. For me if you are getting paid for a review you are by necessity a liar. That is just my belief and backed up by decades of experience. I carry an XD45 Tactical WMLS. My CCW is by choice a CW45.

I carry what works for me in the situation I carry. In uniform the Kahr is a waste of time and a stupid choice, given the alternatives and CCW the XD is way too big.

[downtownv]

I get those review writers call me for an article all the time. Comes down to this: Cooperate and I say Nice things.... Don't and I'll trash you! They look for reader response that's how they are measured by their bosses: more +/- mail the better the article. The Bigger the "AttaBoy"

[CrabbyAzz]

Most reviewers are beholding to some one. Do a bad Ruger review and they will not send you any more guns to review. Or if your a magazine, they'll stop advertising in your rag. When I want honest feed back I hit the user forums like this. You get the good, the bad and the ugly.

I do however, sometimes check out Hickok45 and BTW my favorite CM9 review is by destiny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUlYSXMxlcs Can't figure out why...

[muggsy]

I read a GunsAmerica article glowing about the new XDs, talking like there's never been anything like it in that size and weight. I replied, pointing out that Kahr is already well established with 3 models in 45 acp in that size range. His response sounds more like it came from a troll than from a responsible gun author and reviewer. :mad:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-armory-xd-s-45acp-micro-pistol-new-gun-review/

I came to the conclusion long ago that the only persons whose opinion counts is mine when I'm making a purchase.

[les strat]

I came to the conclusion long ago that the only persons whose opinion counts is mine when I'm making a purchase.

+1

Although I do reseach all my gun purchases, I understand their are a lot of people who do not understand tolerances vs size and accuracy. These are often folks who think 1911's are dated junk cause they often need some slicking up and fine tuning.

[johnh]

I also learned from working Media Day at SHOT, that most of the true "tools" in the gun media do not know jack about firearms in general. Not talking all media--just the ones that only crank out pre-paid reviews. They only know what they are told to write, or about the guns they received to review. This is why when they are speaking away from their reviews, they continually repeat the same mantra over and over again about how a certain gun is the best and nothing else is like it. I doubt they have enough knowledge to discuss the topic outside of those boundaries.

[O'Dell]

Is that yet another new Vette in the avatar. You need a garage addition?

Oops, I missed the question. Yes it was new last week and no, I didn't increase the collection, because I traded the red and black coupe back for the yellow convertible. I was actually looking for yellow when I bought the red one back in January. They're hard to find because they're in high demand, and there aren't a lot of them because yellow is an $800 option. When my dealer called and said he had one I got it the same day. I still only have two, both convertibles.

[Gavin S.]

Nice rides.

[Popeye]

I came to the conclusion long ago that the only persons whose opinion counts is mine when I'm making a purchase.

Could not agree more. Got burnt once on a pistol buy not doing my research before I plunked down my money. Now I research a particular gun carefully and if I still want the gun, bogus gun rags reviews won't change my mind one way or the other. With all reviews it's not always what they say it's what they don't say. Have to read between the lines so to speak because they will only say what they like but gloss over what they don't. Therefore making there review pretty much worthless. JMHO