How to spot a Fake Swat Home Invasion

[TheTman]

I didn't know this, but I guess in some areas, home invaders are dressing as SWAT teams and invading houses. I hope this link works, it describes someways that you can tell the difference. It says most are drug related so most of us have nothing to worry about. I do get some medicines with pretty high street values, and my Doctor told me to keep them hidden away where no visitor would be able to see them, and I do. A very few close friends and family know I have these, but not very many, I worry more about getting knocked on the head at the pharmacy than a home invasion. But I also live in a rural area with insterstate access a mile away, and worry that someone might burst in looking for quick cash or goods they could sell.
Here is the link, let me know if it doesn't work and I'll see if I can copy the info and put is somewhere you can access it:
https://www.hdaa.com/tactics-and-training/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-police-raid-and-a-home-invasion/

[MERCTECH]

I do nothing illegal and if a fake or not fake swat team breaks down my door someone is getting shot. I have nothing to fear far as the real deal so if fake sorry you came to the wrong house.

[Barth]

I do nothing illegal and if a fake or not fake swat team breaks down my door someone is getting shot. I have nothing to fear far as the real deal so if fake sorry you came to the wrong house.

+1
Every once in a while even real SWAT makes a mistake and storms the wrong place.
Still, I'm doing nothing illegal, so I'm shooting first, second and third.
I don't need to ask any stinking questions.
But I've got answers...

If it's a mistake, they will have vests on.
And I'm not using armor piercing bullets.

What's a 1.5 oz slug in the chest between friends anyway?
Maybe they will double check the address next time...

[Ljutic]

I do nothing illegal and if a fake or not fake swat team breaks down my door someone is getting shot. I have nothing to fear far as the real deal so if fake sorry you came to the wrong house.

Sometimes SWAT or Raid Teams make a mistake on the address. You may want to let that process for a second before you start shooting.

Yes, it did happen to a friend of mine. Flash bangs and everything.

[downtownv]

Sometimes SWAT or Raid Teams make a mistake on the address. You may want to let that process for a second before you start shooting.

Yes, it did happen to a friend of mine. Flash bangs and everything.
How long did he have to sit in his soiled shorts?

[dkmatthews]

Sometimes SWAT or Raid Teams make a mistake on the address. You may want to let that process for a second before you start shooting.

Yes, it did happen to a friend of mine. Flash bangs and everything.

Did your friend at least get a reach-around out of the deal?

[Manzanita]

I figure it they don't shoot the dog right away... they're not a real swat team. :rolleyes:

[OldLincoln]

My country subdivision has very similar street names and package deliveries often go to the wrong house. It would not be surprising for a swat team to get the wrong house out here.

Of course I can only hope they don't bust down the door, but if they crush it cleanly with a door smasher I'll guess they are police. If they kick at the door which is braced, I'll assume they are bad guys. Problem is if you shoot at a cop, even if they are busting down the wrong door, they will smother you in lead.

[MLESa7990]

+1


If it's a mistake, they will have vests on.
And I'm not using armor piercing bullets.




But what happens when they most certainly return fire?

[Jeremiah/Az]

We had a rancher killed here in Az. sometime ago. The swat team busted in while he was in bed. He got up & grabbed his handgun. As he went to investigate the sound, they shot him dead. It was the wrong house!:eek:

[TheTman]

If it was a genuine SWAT team that was storming my house, I believe that LAST thing I would want to do is open fire on them. The result would most likely to be every living thing in your house being shot dead or otherwise destroyed. These guys don't mess around, and if you initiate hostilites, there will be hell to pay, From then on it's shoot first and ask questions later. You're going to have .223, possibly .308 rifle bullets, and most certainly automatic 9mm fire, whatever duty caliber they use, and buckshot, raining down on you, passing through walls and going every which way. Every where you move you will draw fire. They can see through your walls with infrared goggles and dertermine your approximate position. I would not want to subject my loved ones to those horrors. They are likely to get blown away in the hell that was meant for you. No matter if they are in the wrong house, I believe you will get prosecuted for attempted murder (if you happened to live) on people that have announced they are police and are on official police business. If I had loved ones to watch over and protect, I believe I would suffer whatever discomfort it took for them to see that they had the right house.
If it WAS my house they were raiding, only thing I'd suspect was they were there to take my guns, and I might do things different, since it's only me living here, but I'd still have to give that more thought as the climate grows more antigun. Speaking of which, I hear on July 27th, Obama and Hillary are going to sign the UN small arms treaty, and will most likely have it voted on during the lame duck session this year, so they can whip/bribe/or intimdate Democrats and Republican turncoats into signing it into law. **** Morris (A well known contributor to conservative news outlets) has said this will be like adding an admendment to the Constitution to override the 2nd admendment. The only recourse is to have your state pass legislation that they will not honor the treaty nor allow any of their facility's to be used in such procedures to enforce the treaty, and hopefully that they will use their resources to prevent the treaty from being enforced. The last couple times that was used very often was first before the Civil War, when it was Federal policy to round up escaped slaves and send them to their owners, severel states passed laws to effectively keep that from happening within their borders. No slaves were returned from states that passed these laws. Second we have several states that have legalised for medical an herb that the Feds regard as addicting and harmful with no medicinal value. Seems like the states are getting away with it, although you hear about a Federal bust of a dispensary or something, usually from someone bragging on the news about how well he is doing. But for the most part they are getting away with it.
The Treaty is one those "You have to pass the bill to see what's in it" type of deals. We don't even know what is in this treaty and those two idiots are going to sign it? Doesn't that prove they are insane and should be removed from office?
I think it's finally going to happen, we are going to give up our rights to some international body, that can come in and trash our constitution, take our guns, and who knows what else, We are giving up our oceans territory, along with all the mineral rights with the LOST treaty so the UN decides who gets to drill for oil off our shores, and WHERE, and who gets the proceeds, Who knows what other parts of our Constitution, and other resources are being handed to a foreign body that votes against us 3/4 or more of the time.
I can feel it. Things are just too iffy for there to be another time that they could sign such a treaty and have a lame duck congress to vote it in. And they totally believe in this, it's totally socialist and exactly what they want, to bring America down to European if not third world conditions.
And I believe we have some law that we can't back out of a treaty once we've signed it. We may not even be able to defund it, as UN funds, most likely obtained from US, could be used to fund it. We have no idea. We can't read it until it's signed. Oh we know how well that worked with healthcare reform. I sure hope that it can be filibustered long enough to get it tabled until after the inaugriation. The bad thing is once it's signed by Barry and Hillary, it's in somewhat in effect until congress either ratifies it or declines it. And the lame duck session really has me worried, I think some folks are going to be losing their seats and are going to stick it to us while they still can.
That could be the spark that makes a fed up nation show it's ugly side.
Sorry for the Rant, I was just reading about it, and really has me upset with those idots we let run the country.

[MC1911]

Am I the only person that thinks the police are getting out of control with their militarization.

[Barth]

But what happens when they most certainly return fire?

If they actually take the time to announce they are law enforcement serving a warrant.
And are willing to show papers and ID.
Then there will be no problem.

If it's an un-announced, or hardly announced, bum rush I'm going to repel borders.
With any luck we will have a stand off and time to sort things out.

I may get killed no doubt.
That's the breaks.
I have a Bianchi Class IIIA vest too.

[gm412]

Am I the only person that thinks the police are getting out of control with their militarization.


No you are not. I don't think serving a warrant by throwing in grenades coming in like military and shooting up the place. You serve a warrant by handing it to someone. If the person shoot first then all bets are off. Law enforcement is dangerous but nothing in the constitution allows them to do what they are doing. And if they get the wrong house and kill someone they should be charged with murder and face the death penalty.

I am a huge supporter of the police and military and I am glad they are there, but these types of raids should stop.

[BroncoAZ]

Let's not forget the Pima County Sheriff's SWAT error within the last year where they shot the guy who just returned from the sandbox and then held the medics away for over an hour until he bled out.

As far as militarization of local PD, look at all the press about local PD getting drone aircraft to spy on citizens. Once they weaponize their RC planes over the cities nobody will be safe.

[TheTman]

I don't think so MC1911. Tough call. In some place you almost need military type equipment and personel. Parts of about any big city can be like a war zone when the gangs are running things. You got these guy coming back from Iraq and Afhganistan teaching military tactics to their gang banger friends. Not to mention some are pretty well armed with all full auto weapos and such. Explosives and what not.
When faced with that kind of enemy, they have to be pretty well prepared.
So to me, that a lot depends where you live and the crime situation. For me, no, there is not much need for a paramilitary police squad. We do have a SWAT team, but I don't think it's anything like you'd find in a city with a gang problem. Can't remember them making the news much except once when we had a sniper in one of the taller buildings downtown, anad they took him out, but that was years ago. Now I think they tend to keep out of sight if the news shows up, I guess I have seen some hostage situations where they were deployed.

[TheTman]

I don't think so MC1911. Tough call. In some place you almost need military type equipment and personel. Parts of about any big city can be like a war zone when the gangs are running things. You got these guy coming back from Iraq and Afhganistan teaching military tactics to their gang banger friends. Not to mention some are pretty well armed with all full auto weapos and such. Explosives and what not.
When faced with that kind of enemy, they have to be pretty well prepared.
So to me, that a lot depends where you live and the crime situation. For me, no, there is not much need for a paramilitary police squad. We do have a SWAT team, but I don't think it's anything like you'd find in a city with a gang problem. Can't remember them making the news much except once when we had a sniper in one of the taller buildings downtown, anad they took him out, but that was years ago. Now I think they tend to keep out of sight if the news shows up, I guess I have seen some hostage situations where they were deployed.

[MLESa7990]

If they actually take the time to announce they are law enforcement serving a warrant.
And are willing to show papers and ID.
Then there will be no problem.

If it's an un-announced, or hardly announced, bum rush I'm going to repel borders.
With any luck we will have a stand off and time to sort things out.

I may get killed no doubt.
That's the breaks.
I have a Bianchi Class IIIA vest too.


The vest wont stop a rifle round, which is what would likely be sent your way. Not trying to start anything, by the way...This would be an awful scenario to ever have to deal with.

[wyntrout]

Meanwhile... The Department of Homeland Security... or INsecurity, has come up with identifying characteristics for terrorists... being nationalistic and TOO patriotic... being against a strong centralized government and a whole lot of other things that WE ALL do! I can't remember all of that stuff, but I was "guilty" of most of it. Nowhere was being Arab, radical Islamist or Al Quaeda member mentioned.

Janet Napolitano should be impeached... along with Holder... and that joke of a POTUS. The press still brags about the greatest news event of the century being the victimless Watergate break in, but says nothing about the "Fast and Furious" fiasco that allowed thousands of guns to flow across the border and caused the deaths of hundreds of innocent Mexicans and at least one of our Border Patrol Agents. No other gun "stings" by real agencies allowed weapons into the hands of criminals and then waited for the body count to justify cracking down on American gun sales. This was without the knowledge of the Mexican authorities, too!

Wynn:mad:

[Barth]

The vest wont stop a rifle round, which is what would likely be sent your way. Not trying to start anything, by the way...This would be an awful scenario to ever have to deal with.

I can get rifle plates and upgrade to class IV if I want;
Level IV means the plate is tested to stop ONE round of .3006 Armor-Piercing (AP)
at 868 mps and lesser threats.
Though just tested for one hit of .3006 AP,
will also stop multiple hits of lesser threats such as:

.308 FMJ
AK-47
M-16 - M855 or SS-109, etc.

The vest is a police vest.

I'm not sure in a high end complex they will open up with a rain of armor piercing bullets and slaughter the entire neighborhood?

But who knows...
And just wearing a vest is no guarantee of survival

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There are heavily armed and fortified drug dens that may well require
that kind of storm trooper action.

But in a high end quiet neighborhood?
Lives are at stake the authorities need to be accountable for their actions.
That kind of assault is extreme and should be taken only after surveillance and verification.

there will be blood
If the house invaders look para military they aren't getting it in the chest either

[TheTman]

The vest still leaves your head and extremeties vulnerable. A hit to the head is usually fatal, although some have lived, but it was mostly pistol rounds they were shot with, that traveled along the skull under the skin until they came to rest. A hit to the femoral artery will leave you dead pretty quick. You got to get to that vein and tie it off or cauterize very quickly, or at least get a tourniquet on it, which might cost the leg if it stays on too long, all while losing vast amounts of blood. My brother had a very rough time with his when they went up it to put a stent near his heart, they could not get it to stop bleeding, and he lost a lot of blood before they got it fixed. Nearly lost him, and that was in hospital.
Still, I'd rather have one than not. Never gave it much though as I didn't think I'd ever need one. Might have to look into one, before they get outlawed for civilian use.

[Barth]

The vest still leaves your head and extremeties vulnerable. A hit to the head is usually fatal, although some have lived, but it was mostly pistol rounds they were shot with, that traveled along the skull under the skin until they came to rest. A hit to the femoral artery will leave you dead pretty quick. You got to get to that vein and tie it off or cauterize very quickly, or at least get a tourniquet on it, which might cost the leg if it stays on too long, all while losing vast amounts of blood. My brother had a very rough time with his when they went up it to put a stent near his heart, they could not get it to stop bleeding, and he lost a lot of blood before they got it fixed. Nearly lost him, and that was in hospital.
Still, I'd rather have one than not. Never gave it much though as I didn't think I'd ever need one. Might have to look into one, before they get outlawed for civilian use.

I should shut the )(*&(&)N up.
I talk too much.
Was surprised that civilians can own one.
Kind of nice to throw on a vest when I hear a bump in the night...

And you know I never ever want to shoot a police officer.

Was in LA during the riots, martial law, national guard and a freeze on guns and ammo sales.

Scary times and these days I like to be prepared.

[OldLincoln]

Barth my friend, I sincerely hope they never mistake your house for the one on the warrant. If it happens I will miss your presence on the forum. We'll have nice things to say about you, like have you ever known a guy who loved barrels so much?

I have no doubt it the squad held up on the porch and rang the doorbell all would end well, but there is absolutely no way you will survive shooting at a Swat team even if they made the mistake. They'll apologize to your kin and the news will speak of the tragedy of it all, but you won't ever notice. Nope, this one of those you will not win.

An old saying from the deep south, "Son, it's better to swallow your pride and survive than to die for stubbornness."

[Barth]

Barth my friend, I sincerely hope they never mistake your house for the one on the warrant. If it happens I will miss your presence on the forum. We'll have nice things to say about you, like have you ever known a guy who loved barrels so much?

I have no doubt it the squad held up on the porch and rang the doorbell all would end well, but there is absolutely no way you will survive shooting at a Swat team even if they made the mistake. They'll apologize to your kin and the news will speak of the tragedy of it all, but you won't ever notice. Nope, this one of those you will not win.

An old saying from the deep south, "Son, it's better to swallow your pride and survive than to die for stubbornness."


I refuse to live in fear and am not afraid to die.

[MERCTECH]

Well I dont want to shoot any police either, but if awaken from sleep from banging at the front door is quite the adreniline rush. Hard to think, just instinct. Like I said earlier I do nothing wrong and wouldnt think it would be the police. Just like the other night I was rudly disturbed 2am by some punks with illegal fireworks and it wasnt on the 4th. It sounded like a shotgun going off in the house. After checking I couldnt sleep the rest of the night because heart was beating so fast. I was pissed. Now if the police show up during the day, I definetly would be talking before they even smash the door in. My house has alot of windows and would easily know somethings going on.

[muggsy]

I do nothing illegal and if a fake or not fake swat team breaks down my door someone is getting shot. I have nothing to fear far as the real deal so if fake sorry you came to the wrong house.

If a real swat team enters your house and you pull a gun the person most likely to be shot is you, multiple times. RIP, Barth.

[MERCTECH]

If a real swat team enters your house and you pull a gun the person most likely to be shot is you, multiple times.

I have no doubt if they are real I'll get shot but im not going to wait and see if real or not. Especially coming at night. During the day different story.

[Barth]

Well I dont want to shoot any police either, but if awaken from sleep from banging at the front door is quite the adreniline rush. Hard to think, just instinct. Like I said earlier I do nothing wrong and wouldnt think it would be the police. Just like the other night I was rudly disturbed 2am by some punks with illegal fireworks and it wasnt on the 4th. It sounded like a shotgun going off in the house. After checking I couldnt sleep the rest of the night because heart was beating so fast. I was pissed. Now if the police show up during the day, I definetly would be talking before they even smash the door in. My house has alot of windows and would easily know somethings going on.

About 20 years ago I was standing in the kitchen looking out the window,
in the middle of the day, at a friend’s house.
When five or six police cars rolled into the front yard.
I immediately walked out the front door and
met the armed officers in the yard.
Armed with a concealed 44 magnum,
we had a crucial conversation and all ended well.

People don’t have to die.

On a related topic, in years gone by,
there were officers that took time to explain things to me.
And give me invaluable advice that I adhere to today.

I hope this next generation of officers contains
folks with that level of quality and substance.

[MERCTECH]

So what happens if they do get it wrong and kill an innocent person, they just say my bad he shouldnt of protected his house or have been armed. Just a bad senerio anyway you look at it.

[Barth]

So what happens if they do get it wrong and kill an innocent person, they just say my bad he shouldnt of protected his house or have been armed. Just a bad senerio anyway you look at it.

I'm not a lawyer and hate trying to channel Jonnie Cochran.
But if you can prove negligence was involved in the mistake,
I think a wrongful death case may be in order.


If I'm dead it's game over anyway.

[johnh]

What happens is your widow and kids may get rich from the lawsuit. Will not help you much as you are dead, but I suppose that can comfort you as you bleed out.

I have mixed feelings about the "militarization" issue. Lots of LEOs facing dangerous bad-guys these days. 100% of the cops I know would never use their skills or equipment to enforce some sort of tyrannical government edict. In fact having that gear might just make them able to better tell that government where to stick their edicts. But, I am sure in some of the major liberal cities there are LEOs that would tow the line and even agree with disarming law abiding citizens. Perhaps they should have to pass a Constitution test before the good gear is handed to them. :)

[beatlesfan]

A few years back I was sitting on the throne reading a book. My younger brother knocks on the door and says, "um, there's a SWAT team in the back yard." Upper middle class neighborhood mind you. I finish up and go to the back sliding glass door. Sure enough, my county's SWAT team was running through my backyard trying to get over the fence. I slowly walked out with my hands up and asked what was up. Turns out they were trying to get into the woods behind my house to search it for a guy they were looking for. I have a tall wooden fence and they couldn't get over it in their gear lol. I showed them where the semi hidden gate was and they thanked me, apologized profusely, and left. It was pretty funny seeing guys in black with MP5's trying to get over an 8 foot wooden fence that had no footholds.

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[MW surveyor]

Isn't that what breaching rounds are for? LOL

[downtownv]

:hurt:You can tell an obvious FAKE! When they bust thru the door yelling "YO YO YO get down on the Flo mutha F*cka" and they look around the house saying' "My it shure am Sweet"
Not real cops....

[les strat]

If someone kicks in my door in the night, I am not stopping to assess or explain. You do not have the time to check it out, go back to the bedroom and grab your weapon if it is a BG. Yeah, it would probably end bad for me, the wife, kids, dog... they would shoot anything that moved. That's just how they do it. But I'll take my chances that it will be a BG and not some incompetent SWAT team.

[Barth]

If someone kicks in my door in the night, I am not stopping to assess or explain. You do not have the time to check it out, go back to the bedroom and grab your weapon if it is a BG. Yeah, it would probably end bad for me, the wife, kids, dog... they would shoot anything that moved. That's just how they do it. But I'll take my chances that it will be a BG and not some incompetent SWAT team.

You really don't have a choice do you?
Let's all hope it never goes down like that...