Battle Pistols?

[Bill K]

On another thread folks here mentioned "battle Pistols". This is the first time I've encountered this term and would, if you don't mind, a discussion of the distinctives between a SD pistol and a "battle pistol". In a pistol do I need or should I consider more than my Glock 26? Would my Ruger .44 mag.Super Blackhawk, though a revolver, fall into the "battle" category? Are we just talking about a SD pistol having more snot and firepower than a single stack 9 or 40 SD pistol?

Thanks...

[jocko]

agree, kinda going over the cliff with some of these gun terms IMO. I never buy a gun to go into battle. Last thing I want to do, that is for damn sure.

[Bawanna]

I believe that's what they refer too though, higher capacity, more ammo available in gun and spare mags rather than the usual one or two shots type situation.

In the unlikely event I decide to do battle rather than just save the last one for myself most likely a 1911 will be going with me, perhaps a brace of 1911's at best.

Surely don't need a Glock with a 30 round mag and in a battle situation I suspect a rifle might be much more appropriate.

[TheTman]

I would guess that would be whatever sidearm you choose to supplement your battle rifle. I guess the Army is using it's variation of the Beretta 92 as their "battle pistol".
If I'm going to be in a "battle", I'm grabbing a rifle, not a pistol.

[Bill K]

I believe that's what they refer too though, higher capacity, more ammo available in gun and spare mags rather than the usual one or two shots type situation.

In the unlikely event I decide to do battle rather than just save the last one for myself most likely a 1911 will be going with me, perhaps a brace of 1911's at best.

Surely don't need a Glock with a 30 round mag and in a battle situation I suspect a rifle might be much more appropriate.

Think I got it... The M9 is a "battle pistol" due to its higher capacity and the carrying of multiple spare mags say opposed to a PM/CM 9 being carried with just one spare. It is not just a caliber thing.

[Barth]

On another thread folks here mentioned "battle Pistols". This is the first time I've encountered this term and would, if you don't mind, a discussion of the distinctives between a SD pistol and a "battle pistol". In a pistol do I need or should I consider more than my Glock 26? Would my Ruger .44 mag.Super Blackhawk, though a revolver, fall into the "battle" category? Are we just talking about a SD pistol having more snot and firepower than a single stack 9 or 40 SD pistol?

Thanks...

Depending on context, literally, a "Battle Pistol" to me is a military sidearm.
When we talk home defense, that term gets used to reference full size, high capacity, auto-loaders that are not conducive to concealed carry.

Generally SD guns are compact versions of full size autos.

At least that's my way of thinking.

[Knight92]

I would agree with Barth, a Battle Pistol would be one which I would take to war, or zombie Apocalypse.

I think some become a little excited or a little to tactile when talking about their home defense pistol. To me the home defense would be a full size M&P or Sig etc.

[ripley16]

* Any pistol used by the military must possess certain features, pass certain tests, be usable by a large number of people, be reliable and fairly inexpensive. There are alot of pistols that are used by our military, mostly Beretta M9s, several Sigs, several HKs and even a few Glocks, though not in large numbers.

I doubt the Kahr brand would pass the specifications called for and I hate to say it, but I doubt they'd pass the torture/reliability tests. Only a small number of failures are allowed. The 1911s used now are used by small units only and are very expensive. A normal 1911 probably could not pass the torture/reliability tests of today.

Probably the most thouroughly tested and abused pistol the military bought was the HK MK23. It went well over 6000 rounds between mean failures and performed unbelievable accuracy results, (less than 2" groups at 50 yds), after barrels saw 30,000 rounds.

* A carry gun only has to be reliable for a few dozen rounds, accurate enough, small enough to conceal and safe enough for the common knucklehead.

* A "home defense" pistol should be one that is reliable, accurate enough and familiar to anyone that may use it. It should be in a caliber that is suitable for use in a dwelling or around a small crowd. A good home defense pistol can be any size as it doesn't need to be carried or concealed.

[Bawanna]

Ironically we have a couple officers who served in Iraq, both in positions to be issued M9's. One was a navy medic attached to a Marine squad.

He said even those issued M9's usually didn't bother to carry them, just brought their M4's. Apparently sorely lacking in knock down power in that theatre.

[jocko]

I might be dreamin but I thought I seen a video a few years back at the Beretta factoryt where they made the M9 and they had numerous cycling machines where every M9 was hooked up and the slide cycled literally hundreds of time with dry firing each and every time, so that when that gun was finally issued, it was good to go...No break in needed..

[JFootin]

Ironically we have a couple officers who served in Iraq, both in positions to be issued M9's. One was a navy medic attached to a Marine squad.

He said even those issued M9's usually didn't bother to carry them, just brought their M4's. Apparently sorely lacking in knock down power in that theatre.

Jocko, does that make you reconsider 45 caliber?

[OldLincoln]

Isn't battle just a less "mall ninja" term for tactical?

[jocko]

Jocko, does that make you reconsider 45 caliber?

45's to slow, enemy would get away be4 the bullet got there. Body aromor for 45 caliber would be a dairy queen ice cream wrapper. Just sayin

[Tinman507]

I prefer the term Cosmotactical

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/darincraft/2yx2psg.jpg

[jocko]

oh my, he looks like a gun salesman at gander mt..

[Bawanna]

oh my, he looks like a gun salesman at gander mt..

I'm not so sure it's a guy, I think there might be a camo thong under all that stuff someplace.

[wyntrout]

I have a full-sized S&W .45 auto and a 4" 1911... neither is a battle pistol to me. I guess the S&W 5" would work, but I wanted a high-capacity .45 with good sights and great reliability. I think that I found what I wanted in a Springfield XD45 Tactical 5" barrel with the new Trijicon HD Night Sights. It holds 13+1 and I have 6 mags that hold 13 rounds each. I set up a 2" belt with holster, and mag holders and pouches for accessories for something to grab if the SHTF. A battle pistol should be a backup to a shoulder fired weapon... preferably a rifle in .30 caliber or better. I don't think much of .22 caliber rifles for battle guns... especially when you might be facing .308's with real penetration. That said, the only rifle I have is a Ruger 10/22 and a large supply of ammo for hunting or self defense. I have a tactical semi-auto 12-ga shotgun for main home defense, but for most situations I'm going to grab what's closest and hope to get to something more substantial.

Anyhow, a large caliber, high-capacity pistol is what I have in mind for a battle pistol... firepower. And I can think of no better round for that than the venerable... for a reason... .45 ACP... using bonded, LE-proven ammo like the Speer Gold Dots or the Bonded Remington Golden Sabers that I choose.

There are many opinions, but these are mine.

Wynn:)

[JFootin]

Jocko, does that make you reconsider 45 caliber?

45's to slow, enemy would get away be4 the bullet got there. Body aromor for 45 caliber would be a dairy queen ice cream wrapper. Just sayin

They might be slow, but it's like a bull coming at ya, whereas a 9mm is more like a billy goat.

[titus1971]

That's a new one, when I was in the Army they used the terms "Combat Pistol" for most sidearms. "Assault Rifle" for the lighter M-16's and "Main Battle Rifle" for anything with a high powered rifle caliber (.308, 30-06, etc.) Pistols of any type were considered secondary weapons so I doubt any would qualiify as a "battle weapon" per the Army's definition.

[Ken_K]

Battle pistol? Seriously? :crazy:



That's a new one, when I was in the Army they used the terms "Combat Pistol" for most sidearms. "Assault Rifle" for the lighter M-16's and "Main Battle Rifle" for anything with a high powered rifle caliber (.308, 30-06, etc.) Pistols of any type were considered secondary weapons so I doubt any would qualiify as a "battle weapon" per the Army's definition.

This is my thinking exactly.

[AFVet]

....I suspect a rifle might be much more appropriate.

Agreed. If you're really going into a combat situation, you're taking a long gun, not a pistol.

[muggsy]

A gun by any other name is still a gun.

[Snidely Whiplash]

I'm not so sure it's a guy, I think there might be a camo thong under all that stuff someplace.

Bawanna, it's going to take innumerable years and countless thousands of dollars of therapy to erase the horrific image that flashed into my mind upon reading the above posting referring to the image posted by Tinman507. :faint2:

Should I ever manage to recover from this terrible trauma and regain my eyesight, I'm going to hunt both of you down like vermin. The end will not be quick, painless, or pretty...:32:

Snidely

PS Relax, you two, you're off the hook. I think I'm going to be OK. My eyesight miraculously returned when I retrieved the mail and found a truly amazing lingerie catalog mistakenly sent here, but apparently meant for either the previous owner or someone named "current resident."

After just 30 minutes of carefully studying the photos, er, I mean reading through it merely out of intellectual curiosity, the previous, horrific image has been purged from my mind. All is well - unless my wife discovers said catalog, which I have decided to keep - just in case the hideous image returns.

[Tinman507]

Oh, you have no idea of some of the horrific visages I have posted on this forum in the past. If you think Mr. Mall Ninja 2012 was bad, look back through some of the older posts. Be afraid, be very afraid.

I suppose you read Penthouse for the articles too, dontcha? :eek:

[JFootin]

Let me help you, Tinman.
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Misc/22VN8.gif

And, of course, there is the mall ninja troll, or whatever this creature is...
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Misc/GorillamanwithGun.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Misc/GorillamanwithGun2.jpg

[MW surveyor]

MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :faint2:

Can it be that Mr. B's only been gone a few hours?

[GROTMAN]

Bawanna, it's going to take innumerable years and countless thousands of dollars of therapy to erase the horrific image that flashed into my mind upon reading the above posting referring to the image posted by Tinman507. :faint2:

Should I ever manage to recover from this terrible trauma and regain my eyesight, I'm going to hunt both of you down like vermin. The end will not be quick, painless, or pretty...:32:

Snidely

PS Relax, you two, you're off the hook. I think I'm going to be OK. My eyesight miraculously returned when I retrieved the mail and found a truly amazing lingerie catalog mistakenly sent here, but apparently meant for either the previous owner or someone named "current resident."

After just 30 minutes of carefully studying the photos, er, I mean reading through it merely out of intellectual curiosity, the previous, horrific image has been purged from my mind. All is well - unless my wife discovers said catalog, which I have decided to keep - just in case the hideous image returns.

If you think that last pic is bad ..don't ever look at the pic of his cousin Cletus and his gal Rosie .. been weeks and my eyes are still sore !!

[Snidely Whiplash]

I see that at least some of the members of KahrTalk subscribe to the old axiom, "Never hit a man when he's down -- kick him, it's easier."